Bony (Season long loan at Stoke - Official)

[birchwoodgingerste]

Do not laugh, but I have been told Chelsea have made an offer for Bony.

Player wants regular game time which he knows he won't get/club have accepted he will not fit into our style of play.

Haha swap for hazard why not

 

[MeatHunterrr]

 

[Dax777]

Boom! In line with my thinking.

 

[itisrising]

Pellegrini has finally seen the light! I knew Bluemoon's incessant frustration towards Bony would do the trick!

 

[Dax777]

Or go down the logical route, use common sense, and compensate for his injury record by bringing in another player in case such a thing occur.

Binning Aguero is rather extreme, I would hope Pep would just use common sense. I ignored it as I assumed he would.

Let's say we sell Bony this winter. Kelechi gets more playing time and goes ahead and scores 13 goals the rest of the season. What then? Go out and buy a 3rd striker? Even though we now will have a proven 17 goals a season player?

The problem is the fear Kelechi will not become that dependable player. Funny enough, continuing to feed that fear will guarantee he doesn't become that player.

Play him. Let's see what he can do. And if he can't handle it, then we know and go and get someone who can in the summer. And probably loan him out then. someone.

But we don't need to be stacking strikers if we only start 1.

 

[Walson]

Just because we paid 28m for him, doesnt mean that is his true vaule. I was so annoyed when we signed Bony. I thought oh great, we have paid 28m for a 15m striker. Those wanting 25m for Bony - would we pay his 28m transfer fee again? So why would another club come close to matching that?

 

[pudge]

Let's say we sell Bony this winter. Kelechi gets more playing time and goes ahead and scores 13 goals the rest of the season. What then? Go out and buy a 3rd striker? Even though we now will have a proven 17 goals a season player?

The problem is the fear Kelechi will not become that dependable player. Funny enough, continuing to feed that fear will guarantee he doesn't become that player.

Play him. Let's see what he can do. And if he can't handle it, then we know and go and get someone who can in the summer. And probably loan him out then. someone.

But we don't need to be stacking strikers if we only start 1.

Lets say we sell Bony this winter and Iheanacho scores 3 more goals this season. What then? Because Bony will score at least 10 before the season's out so we'd missing out.

People want rid of Bony for not being the player and goal scorer he was at Swansea so if he where to leave, ever, it would be logical to bring in a goal scorer be it a striker or a Griezmann type player. Why get rid of someone for a lack of production then not address the problems that lack of production produced?

If we're only to play one striker then just have one striker. But then you have to attempt to account for injuries as this season Bony and Aguero have been injured, Nasri and Silva on the creative side; so it's not a simple case of always creating chances for whoever. Even at that, again, we're creating more than enough chances but they're not being put away. Bony certainly plays a part in that but so does the likes of Sterling so why can one be an option but the other not? Or even a replacement? Because it creates a longer pecking order? I don't doubt that's a good few people's motive.

So we have 3 strikers now, (why not next season?) Aguero was out so Bony played and to a lesser extent Iheanacho, Bony's out so Iheanacho plays.

We sell Bony and say Iheanacho and Aguero get injured. You bring up Aubameyang (I couldn't be fucked looking up the spelling) who is an experienced goal scorer but can also play on the wing, that would be a good alternative. Whereas Sterling is by no means a striker in the making, at this stage a Walcott Lite when playing through the middle. So we go through, deep in the CL and play Raheem up front, that won't cut it.

It's not addition by subtraction at all, it's hit and hope and pray like fuck at this stage given the inexperience of both Iheanacho as a player and Sterling as a striker. Again, I would like Bony gone but only if the club brings in another goal scorer. Not just so Iheanacho has less competition.

It's easy to say Sterling can be the third choice in attack if needed. Like it was easy to say Fernando would shore up the midfield, or Mangala the defence. Sounds smart but there's little if anything to back it up. I'd much rather it was not needed and we could call upon a more experienced forward who has played the role as opposed to what would be as much a gamble as playing a youngster up front which we would also be doing.

It's like Liverpool saying now "Sure, we can play Milner up front like City did if we need to". If they then had to they might scrape past a Sheffield Wedneaday in the Cup but it won't win them the honours we're after or even the chance to challenge for them.

You're all looking at the addition of another goalscorer as detrimental to Iheanacho when that does not have to be the case at all.

 

[BenjaniMwaruwari]

Thank fuck the club have realized that Kelechi is so much better than Bony

 

[Dax777]

Lets say we sell Bony this winter and Iheanacho scores 3 more goals this season. What then? Because Bony will score at least 10 before the season's out so we'd missing out.

People want rid of Bony for not being the player and goal scorer he was at Swansea so if he where to leave, ever, it would be logical to bring in a goal scorer be it a striker or a Griezmann type player. Why get rid of someone for a lack of production then not address the problems that lack of production produced?

If we're only to play one striker then just have one striker. But then you have to attempt to account for injuries as this season Bony and Aguero have been injured, Nasri and Silva on the creative side; so it's not a simple case of always creating chances for whoever. Even at that, again, we're creating more than enough chances but they're not being put away. Bony certainly plays a part in that but so does the likes of Sterling so why can one be an option but the other not? Or even a replacement? Because it creates a longer pecking order? I don't doubt that's a good few people's motive.

So we have 3 strikers now, (why not next season?) Aguero was out so Bony played and to a lesser extent Iheanacho, Bony's out so Iheanacho plays.

We sell Bony and say Iheanacho and Aguero get injured. You bring up Aubameyang (I couldn't be fucked looking up the spelling) who is an experienced goal scorer but can also play on the wing, that would be a good alternative. Whereas Sterling is by no means a striker in the making, at this stage a Walcott Lite when playing through the middle. So we go through, deep in the CL and play Raheem up front, that won't cut it.

It's not addition by subtraction at all, it's hit and hope and pray like fuck at this stage given the inexperience of both Iheanacho as a player and Sterling as a striker. Again, I would like Bony gone but only if the club brings in another goal scorer. Not just so Iheanacho has less competition.

It's easy to say Sterling can be the third choice in attack if needed. Like it was easy to say Fernando would shore up the midfield, or Mangala the defence. Sounds smart but there's little if anything to back it up. I'd much rather it was not needed and we could call upon a more experienced forward who has played the role as opposed to what would be as much a gamble as playing a youngster up front which we would also be doing.

It's like Liverpool saying now "Sure, we can play Milner up front like City did if we need to". If they then had to they might scrape past a Sheffield Wedneaday in the Cup but it won't win them the honours we're after or even the chance to challenge for them.

You're all looking at the addition of another goalscorer as detrimental to Iheanacho when that does not have to be the case at all.

Here is the problem, say we don't sell Bony out of fear of not wanting to be down to an inexperienced striker. And Bony goes on to play averagely. I.E. He is as unimpressive as expected? What has been gained? We would have stunted Kelechi's by playing an experienced player we are certain doesn't suit our style.

that Bony doesn't suit our style is something we all agree on. That Kelechi seems to, is something else we all agree on. Whether he can perform if given the chance is something we are all unsure.

Yet you are concluding we keep Bony, the one guy we all think don't fit our style, just so you we make sure we are not short. It's convoluted logic.

Frankly, keeping a guy you don't think fits your style may be more of a risk. The injury fear is unwarranted, sure Aguero and Nacho can both get injured. Well so could all 3 or 4 or 5strikers if you went out and bought. Matter of fact, didn't that already happen once? With all 4 strikers down?. But no team buys players off the fear that the starter and his backup might both get injured.

If it happens then you adapt. We've had games where both RBs were injured or both LBs, you don't go stack up on 3 RBs out of fear that your starter and his backup might both get injured.

Similarly, so long as we are using 1 starting striker, its not necessary to have 3 Strikers. Its why all the other 1 striker teams don't have 3. The question now is whether Kelechi can be that 2nd striker. The small sample is positive. It's time to unleash him and find out.

From the sample have seen from Bony, I believe if Aguero goes down for any length of time, we will be in trouble. So whether Bony stays or not, an injured Aguero spells doom this season unless Kelechi can perform.

Which is why the Aguero injury fear is s non starter for me. If he goes down we are in trouble regardless of if we have Bony or not. Coz Bony doesn't seem to fit. So keeping him if there is an offer made by another yeam would be bad business in my opinion.

And just for the record, I was the one of the few who was whole heartedly against the Fernando/Mangala purchase. You can check the threads.

I wanted us to rather spend the money on Fabregas and Sanchez. I think we had a good back and forth on the issue back then too. You thought it was a good idea, and I thought we needed to bolster our attack in order to stay champions.

Well, I can't say we definitely would have won the league if we got Sanchez and Fabregas. But we are now Certain we weren't gonna win the league buying the defensive players we got. But oh well!

Lesson learned.

 

[pudge]

Here is the problem, say we don't sell Bony out of fear of not wanting to be down to an inexperienced striker. And Bony goes on to play averagely. I.E. He is as unimpressive as expected? What has been gained? We would have stunted Kelechi's by playing an experienced player we are certain doesn't suit our style.

that Bony doesn't suit our style is something we all agree on. That Kelechi seems to, is something else we all agree on. Whether he can perform if given the chance is something we are all unsure.

Yet you are concluding we keep Bony, the one guy we all think don't fit our style, just so you we make sure we are not short. It's convoluted logic.

Frankly, keeping a guy you don't think fits your style may be more of a risk. The injury fear is unwarranted, sure Aguero and Nacho can both get injured. Well so could all 3 or 4 or 5. But no team buys players off the fear that the starter and his backup might both get injured.

If it happens then you adapt. We've had games where both RBs were injured or both LBs, you don't go stack upbon 3 RBs out of fear that your starter and his backup might both get injured.

Similarly, so long as we are using 1 starting striker, its not necessary to have 3 Strikers. Its why all the other 1 striker teams don't have 3. The question now is whether Kelechi can be that 2nd striker. The small sample is positive. It's time to unleash him and find out.

From the sample have seen from Bony, I believe if Aguero goes down for any length of time, we will be in trouble. So whether Bony stays or not, and injured Aguero spells doom this season unless Kelechi can perform.

Which is why the Aguero injury fear is s non starter for me. If he goes down we are in trouble. Coz Bony doesn't seem to fit. So keeping him if there is an offer made would be bad business.

And just for the record, I was the one of the few who was whole heartedly against the Fernando/Mangala purchase. You can check the thread.

I wanted us to rather spend the money on Fabregas and Sanchez. I think we had a good back and forth on the issue back then too.

I am doing so under what Pellegrini and the club have said, that they all have a part to play and the mere fact we have 3 strikers. I don't WANT to keep Bony. However, unless we can get a replacement in in the shape of a goal scorer, I don't believe the club will sell.

As that is highly unlikely to present itself in January I don't think he's going anywhere, even if I offered to drive him myself.

You do sign players for depth and variety. It's why we had 3/4 strikers in our title winning seasons. Aguero got injured for a long period of time during the second title winning season. Clubs most certainly buy players for depth, obviously, and that leads into injuries, suspensions and any other unforeseen but planned for occasion.

We have 4 centre backs but due to injuries a RB may have to play there, that's a bandage over the issue. It's papering over the cracks. Four CBs is not too few, it's just too many injuries and possible injuries with a recent fixture pile up. Hell, we bought Bony when Aguero and Dzeko were injured and Milner was the other option! Because Milner was a quick fix, which is what Sterling would be but you want experience in each position. Otherwise we could have kept playing Jimmy up front, but I'm sure everyone was crying out for a striker. So yes, you do buy in case of injuries and all sorts of circumstances, otherwise every club would have 18 players.

If Aguero going down spells doom maybe we should try and address that then by having the choice of better goalscorers to choose from other than Bony? Instead of just binning him and reducing the options.

As for Mangala etc I'm not talking about your specific opinion on those players but there was an undeniable amount of cock sure posts on how they'd do this and that, when in reality it's unknown until the prove it. For the record I believe the club addressed the right positions but wrong players. There was no "Oh Fernando and Dinho will be a brick wall" because I'd never watched him. Same as how Sterling has played very few games up front, if any as the sole striker, so I'm not going to commit to lumping pressure on him.