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Boyata
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I think Nastasic is a far better defender than Boyata, but he is fundamentally flawed when playing in our proactive system. He is excellent when sitting back and letting the attackers come to him, but he is incredibly tentative when it comes to coming out and trying to tackle early or compete high up the pitch. He seems hugely vulnerable to long balls down the middle and seems pretty lightweight in the air.
Boyata is more suited to how we play as he has far more recovery speed and is a lot more positive in the way he wants to defend, but he is just not a very good defender with absolutely no ability to read the game. So it's a toss up between someone who suits the system but isn't very good, or someone who seems incapable of playing in our system and who shows no signs of becoming capable. Neither is really good enough or suited enough to play for us, so I guess we may as well keep the homegrown one who is less sellable and just hope he's not needed to play.
Boyata is more suited to how we play as he has far more recovery speed and is a lot more positive in the way he wants to defend, but he is just not a very good defender with absolutely no ability to read the game. So it's a toss up between someone who suits the system but isn't very good, or someone who seems incapable of playing in our system and who shows no signs of becoming capable. Neither is really good enough or suited enough to play for us, so I guess we may as well keep the homegrown one who is less sellable and just hope he's not needed to play.
ZZmaestro
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Pellers no better than you all what's good for our team.
Grow some balls people !
Grow some balls people !
BigOscar said:I think Nastasic is a far better defender than Boyata, but he is fundamentally flawed when playing in our proactive system. He is excellent when sitting back and letting the attackers come to him, but he is incredibly tentative when it comes to coming out and trying to tackle early or compete high up the pitch. He seems hugely vulnerable to long balls down the middle and seems pretty lightweight in the air.
Boyata is more suited to how we play as he has far more recovery speed and is a lot more positive in the way he wants to defend, but he is just not a very good defender with absolutely no ability to read the game. So it's a toss up between someone who suits the system but isn't very good, or someone who seems incapable of playing in our system and who shows no signs of becoming capable. Neither is really good enough or suited enough to play for us, so I guess we may as well keep the homegrown one who is less sellable and just hope he's not needed to play.
bang on
NorCalBlue
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Not that I completely agree with this analysis, but I think it's probably a pretty reasonable assessment of the club's thinking, based on their actions.BigOscar said:I think Nastasic is a far better defender than Boyata, but he is fundamentally flawed when playing in our proactive system. He is excellent when sitting back and letting the attackers come to him, but he is incredibly tentative when it comes to coming out and trying to tackle early or compete high up the pitch. He seems hugely vulnerable to long balls down the middle and seems pretty lightweight in the air.
Boyata is more suited to how we play as he has far more recovery speed and is a lot more positive in the way he wants to defend, but he is just not a very good defender with absolutely no ability to read the game. So it's a toss up between someone who suits the system but isn't very good, or someone who seems incapable of playing in our system and who shows no signs of becoming capable. Neither is really good enough or suited enough to play for us, so I guess we may as well keep the homegrown one who is less sellable and just hope he's not needed to play.
Personally, I think Nasty's better than that and would have preferred to loan him out for a season, but I assume the powers-that-be have more faith that Boyata can be trained to fit the system, or that Rekik will be a part of the squad next season.
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Dedryck Boyata is a genuine Manchester City survivor.
He was at the club before Sheikh Mansour’s stunning takeover, and seven years later he remains the only Academy graduate still in the first team set-up.
He has been written off time and again but Manuel Pellegrini saw enough in the Belgian to offer him a new two-year deal at the end of last season.
He signed it, despite an uphill battle for a place in the team. Now fellow long-server Micah Richards has headed to sunnier climes with Fiorentina, Boyata is effectively the last man standing.
“I could say it’s an honour to be the player who has come through the Academy,” Boyata told M.E.N. Sport ahead of tomorrow’s lunchtime clash with Arsenal.
“I’ve been here for a long time now. We all know how Micah was an important person at the club. I respect Micah with all my heart – a great person and good player.
“It feels good. Even though I came through the Academy, we all have the same goal to go as far as possible, to be as good as possible.”
Boyata is, somewhat controversially, City’s only club-trained player in the reduced 21-man Champions League squad.
A squad would normally require four club-trained players out of 25 but City’s allocation changed with their overall squad reduction, causing a few feathers to be ruffled among rival clubs.
Regardless of the politics, Boyata is honoured to be included.
“I’m definitely happy to be part of the squad,” he said. “We all know how good the squad is, we always want to show what you can do and I’m happy to be part of the team. I’ve had ups and downs, obviously I’m going to take it as a positive thing.
“There is a lot of competition but I’m confident I will get my chance to play and show what I can do. I wouldn’t be here if I wouldn’t have my chances.”
It is a good job Boyata is tough physically and mentally. In a squad jammed full of world class talent, he has been an easy target for fans searching for a weak link at the club.
“If I had to listen to what everyone thinks, I would have been gone a long time ago,” he added. “My way is different than everyone else because I had to take decisions, and I always wanted to take the right decisions. I could have gone and played somewhere else but you just never know what can happen.
“I think I’ve been showing people what I can do, if I never had the quality I wouldn’t even be here today.”
Boyata was taking part in a City in the Community event yesterday aimed at gang awareness.
It is an issue close to his heart, with a number of his former friends and team-mates from his time growing up in Brussels being dragged onto the wrong path in life.
With the guidance of his parents, he steered clear of trouble to battle his way to City. So it is perhaps no surprise he has stayed the course at the Etihad for so long.
Boyata added: “I’ve seen a lot of bad things when I was growing up. I’ve got a lot of friends in jail, still today. The first thing is what your parents educate you. And you should come to a point when you should know right from wrong and you have to make a choice.
“When I was younger my difference was I grew up with parents who were really close to me. I didn’t have the chance to go and do whatever I wanted.
“My father has always been into football, so whenever I had free time instead of just going out and about my father would take me to train, so that’s the difference.”
One of the players that will block Boyata’s path to the first team is new £32m man Eliaquim Mangala.
Despite the competition, the two have struck up an instant friendship.
“I get on very well with him because we have so many friends in common. He’s half-Belgian half-French, he’s a good player, he’s a tough defender, really tight on the men.
“He’s quick. He’s a really good player, I understand that the fans want to see him but they will.”
Fans might well see him against Arsenal, a game which Boyata knows will be a hard one.
“We all know the game is going to be tough, with their new signings and now obviously all the games coming up it’s going to be tough, we just have a few days to rest in between. But it’s not the first year we do that.”
:: Dedryck Boyata took part in a ‘City in the Community’ gang awareness project with local youngsters from The East Manchester Academy. For more information, visit mcfc.co.uk/community
He was at the club before Sheikh Mansour’s stunning takeover, and seven years later he remains the only Academy graduate still in the first team set-up.
He has been written off time and again but Manuel Pellegrini saw enough in the Belgian to offer him a new two-year deal at the end of last season.
He signed it, despite an uphill battle for a place in the team. Now fellow long-server Micah Richards has headed to sunnier climes with Fiorentina, Boyata is effectively the last man standing.
“I could say it’s an honour to be the player who has come through the Academy,” Boyata told M.E.N. Sport ahead of tomorrow’s lunchtime clash with Arsenal.
“I’ve been here for a long time now. We all know how Micah was an important person at the club. I respect Micah with all my heart – a great person and good player.
“It feels good. Even though I came through the Academy, we all have the same goal to go as far as possible, to be as good as possible.”
Boyata is, somewhat controversially, City’s only club-trained player in the reduced 21-man Champions League squad.
A squad would normally require four club-trained players out of 25 but City’s allocation changed with their overall squad reduction, causing a few feathers to be ruffled among rival clubs.
Regardless of the politics, Boyata is honoured to be included.
“I’m definitely happy to be part of the squad,” he said. “We all know how good the squad is, we always want to show what you can do and I’m happy to be part of the team. I’ve had ups and downs, obviously I’m going to take it as a positive thing.
“There is a lot of competition but I’m confident I will get my chance to play and show what I can do. I wouldn’t be here if I wouldn’t have my chances.”
It is a good job Boyata is tough physically and mentally. In a squad jammed full of world class talent, he has been an easy target for fans searching for a weak link at the club.
“If I had to listen to what everyone thinks, I would have been gone a long time ago,” he added. “My way is different than everyone else because I had to take decisions, and I always wanted to take the right decisions. I could have gone and played somewhere else but you just never know what can happen.
“I think I’ve been showing people what I can do, if I never had the quality I wouldn’t even be here today.”
Boyata was taking part in a City in the Community event yesterday aimed at gang awareness.
It is an issue close to his heart, with a number of his former friends and team-mates from his time growing up in Brussels being dragged onto the wrong path in life.
With the guidance of his parents, he steered clear of trouble to battle his way to City. So it is perhaps no surprise he has stayed the course at the Etihad for so long.
Boyata added: “I’ve seen a lot of bad things when I was growing up. I’ve got a lot of friends in jail, still today. The first thing is what your parents educate you. And you should come to a point when you should know right from wrong and you have to make a choice.
“When I was younger my difference was I grew up with parents who were really close to me. I didn’t have the chance to go and do whatever I wanted.
“My father has always been into football, so whenever I had free time instead of just going out and about my father would take me to train, so that’s the difference.”
One of the players that will block Boyata’s path to the first team is new £32m man Eliaquim Mangala.
Despite the competition, the two have struck up an instant friendship.
“I get on very well with him because we have so many friends in common. He’s half-Belgian half-French, he’s a good player, he’s a tough defender, really tight on the men.
“He’s quick. He’s a really good player, I understand that the fans want to see him but they will.”
Fans might well see him against Arsenal, a game which Boyata knows will be a hard one.
“We all know the game is going to be tough, with their new signings and now obviously all the games coming up it’s going to be tough, we just have a few days to rest in between. But it’s not the first year we do that.”
:: Dedryck Boyata took part in a ‘City in the Community’ gang awareness project with local youngsters from The East Manchester Academy. For more information, visit mcfc.co.uk/community
Cobwebcat
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Rolee said:I find it incredible that so many are willing to believe that Boyata was only retained because he is club trained. There is no onus on the club to name any club trained in the squad.
This is true.
He has been retained because Pelle likes him.
I can't see it and IMHO he's got this one wrong.
If we ever have to rely on him or Sinclair I'd be nervous.
Selling these two while bringing in a centre midfielder and a striker would be ideal.
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Cobwebcat said:Rolee said:I find it incredible that so many are willing to believe that Boyata was only retained because he is club trained. There is no onus on the club to name any club trained in the squad.
This is true.
He has been retained because Pelle likes him.
I can't see it and IMHO he's got this one wrong.
If we ever have to rely on him or Sinclair I'd be nervous.
Selling these two while bringing in a centre midfielder and a striker would be ideal.
Personally,i believe the difference between the two is that Sinclair has reached the extent of his talent and ability,Boyata,however,is still developing.Physically,he has the lot,imo he just needs polishing(and no,i don't think he's a turd.....)