Brian Marwood (merged)

Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

Its not true we werent going to spend big.

If DDR/Roma says OK and only we are interested in Hazard I think there would be money to spend on those players.

Both player would cost around 30m pounds. We spent about 40m player for another 5 players. Reserve keeper, reserve winger, Everton sub, an impact sub Maicon and Garcia who is a sub too at the moment and will be a sub this season probably.
 
Re: Only 1 person to blame for today...

Neville Kneville said:
How about the manager just just getting the best out of the 4 top strikers plus Yaya Toure & not having our fucking pants pulled down on the break or letting Rooney score a basic bog standard piss obvious cross/ tap in goal, the likes of which we've seen 1000 times before ?

How about the manager organising the team to be wary of that happening ?

No that's too much to ask. We just have to keep signing players, more & more & more & players, so the manager doesn't have to actually organise anything, just keep spending until we find another bunch to win the next title, then buy some more until we stumble upon a Champions League team & so on, & so on.

Yes, it's all Marwood's fault,

Balotelli, Dzeko, Tevez, Aguero, Silva, Nasri, Yaya aren't woth shit compared to the wonderful Tom Cleverley, Michael Carrick, Rafael, Johnny fucking Evans.

How can Mancini be expected to win v Utd or Everton when the best Marwood can do, is provide him a with a team like that ? It's all his fault.

EXACTLY.

Great post.
 
Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

So we got beat because we didn't buy more players?

We have the same squad from last season minus De Jong, Pizarro, Taylor, Savic and Johnson but plus Maicon, Sinclair, Nastastic, Rodwell, Wright and Garcia. It's pretty much like for like. Crucially, we have an extra year for all of our players to work together under the same manager and coaching staff. We are underperforming and it's not because we didn't buy more players or because of this one thing or that one thing or this one player or that one player, we're underperforming because of all those things together. When only some of those things are happeneing together, we won't be underperforming.
Nobody else has seemed to mention that De Jong and Taylor going, two very popular players who were always laughing and joking to keep spirits up have gone. I thought Hart relied a lot on that relationship with Taylor, but it's just the impression I get from watching the vids and the like. Again, just one thing that on it's own means little but when combined with loads of other things means underperforming.

To those stating that we should have bought Hazard, RVP, De Rossi and Falcao in January. I'm really not sure if you guys understand how extremely close to the edge on FFP we are. Although the wage exclusions before June 2010 MIGHT save us in the first monitoring period, without a revenue generating miracle in the second one, we're fucked. And I mean proper fucked. A "we need to make a profit of £50m in one year to comply" type of fucked. The only way around this inevitable cliff is operate financially sound in the transfer market, renegotiate the contracts of players to lessen the armortisation and try to make a profit between the difference of amortisation dropping and wages heightening, increase corporatesales and commercial operations by a quite large amount and go further than we are doing in the CL. We might yet be saved by the TV deal coming into place that will make up the lost revenue from the CL this year but there's just no other way of saying it really; we absolutely HAVE to get out of the groups and go further in the CL next year. The TV deal isn't big enough to cover lost revenue of three CL years and failing to get through the groups in the last couple of years has quite probably cost us the ability to buy the Falcao type player without selling someone of equal cost.

We could operate on a one-in one-out system (as we did in the summer, look again at those ins/outs) and if we bought any of the above, we need a player to go out. Now cast your mind back to the Hazard signing. Firstly, if he would have happened then I imagine Tevez or Dzeko wouldn't be here at present. I also think that the interest in RVP wouldn't have been there because there's no way Mancini would sanction the selling of Balo straight after his Euros or Aguero who he plays almost every game. He isn't going to sell Silva or Nasri so he can't find a place for him.

I'm on the record on here as stating numerous times that I believe Marwood to be a person who is somewhat carried. I don't think he's necessarily incompetent, I just don't think he's world class and that's the level to be aiming for.

However, I've never criticised his transfer dealings mainly because I don't think they are his fault. Expecting a man to sell Johnson and bring in Hazard on the same type of money is living in a fantasy. Expecting a man to bring in Hazard then leave the squad bare in other areas is a fools trick. He did his job, he kept the ship afloat by signing like for like players to the ones who left. And to be honest, he did quite well in that considering that our main scouting department got a bit ripped out in the summer without its head and numerous scouts departing for QPR and other pastures new.

Pizarro -> Rodwell is an excellent step up for an exciting young English player instead of an aging Chilean one.
Johnson->Sinclair is pretty like for like and reputedly saved us some wages.
De Jong->Garcia is still in flux. Garcia looked twice the player elsewhere so give him another few months to settle though he reputed lost some wages here
Taylor->Wright is like for like.
Savic->Nastasic is a major step up and has provided some much needed youthful competition at CB.
Maicon replaced nobody. But is obviously a Mancini player

He did fine this summer, I don't get the hate at all. I can only see people with unrealistic expectations of exactly where City are financially thus expect us to have a period of spending like we did in 2010.
 
Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

Damocles said:
So we got beat because we didn't buy more players?

We have the same squad from last season minus De Jong, Pizarro, Taylor, Savic and Johnson but plus Maicon, Sinclair, Nastastic, Rodwell, Wright and Garcia. It's pretty much like for like. Crucially, we have an extra year for all of our players to work together under the same manager and coaching staff. We are underperforming and it's not because we didn't buy more players or because of this one thing or that one thing or this one player or that one player, we're underperforming because of all those things together. When only some of those things are happeneing together, we won't be underperforming.
Nobody else has seemed to mention that De Jong and Taylor going, two very popular players who were always laughing and joking to keep spirits up have gone. I thought Hart relied a lot on that relationship with Taylor, but it's just the impression I get from watching the vids and the like. Again, just one thing that on it's own means little but when combined with loads of other things means underperforming.

To those stating that we should have bought Hazard, RVP, De Rossi and Falcao in January. I'm really not sure if you guys understand how extremely close to the edge on FFP we are. Although the wage exclusions before June 2010 MIGHT save us in the first monitoring period, without a revenue generating miracle in the second one, we're fucked. And I mean proper fucked. A "we need to make a profit of £50m in one year to comply" type of fucked. The only way around this inevitable cliff is operate financially sound in the transfer market, renegotiate the contracts of players to lessen the armortisation and try to make a profit between the difference of amortisation dropping and wages heightening, increase corporatesales and commercial operations by a quite large amount and go further than we are doing in the CL. We might yet be saved by the TV deal coming into place that will make up the lost revenue from the CL this year but there's just no other way of saying it really; we absolutely HAVE to get out of the groups and go further in the CL next year. The TV deal isn't big enough to cover lost revenue of three CL years and failing to get through the groups in the last couple of years has quite probably cost us the ability to buy the Falcao type player without selling someone of equal cost.

We could operate on a one-in one-out system (as we did in the summer, look again at those ins/outs) and if we bought any of the above, we need a player to go out. Now cast your mind back to the Hazard signing. Firstly, if he would have happened then I imagine Tevez or Dzeko wouldn't be here at present. I also think that the interest in RVP wouldn't have been there because there's no way Mancini would sanction the selling of Balo straight after his Euros or Aguero who he plays almost every game. He isn't going to sell Silva or Nasri so he can't find a place for him.

I'm on the record on here as stating numerous times that I believe Marwood to be a person who is somewhat carried. I don't think he's necessarily incompetent, I just don't think he's world class and that's the level to be aiming for.

However, I've never criticised his transfer dealings mainly because I don't think they are his fault. Expecting a man to sell Johnson and bring in Hazard on the same type of money is living in a fantasy. Expecting a man to bring in Hazard then leave the squad bare in other areas is a fools trick. He did his job, he kept the ship afloat by signing like for like players to the ones who left. And to be honest, he did quite well in that considering that our main scouting department got a bit ripped out in the summer without its head and numerous scouts departing for QPR and other pastures new.

Pizarro -> Rodwell is an excellent step up for an exciting young English player instead of an aging Chilean one.
Johnson->Sinclair is pretty like for like and reputedly saved us some wages.
De Jong->Garcia is still in flux. Garcia looked twice the player elsewhere so give him another few months to settle though he reputed lost some wages here
Taylor->Wright is like for like.
Savic->Nastasic is a major step up and has provided some much needed youthful competition at CB.
Maicon replaced nobody. But is obviously a Mancini player

He did fine this summer, I don't get the hate at all. I can only see people with unrealistic expectations of exactly where City are financially thus expect us to have a period of spending like we did in 2010.

Excellent post. People are quickly pointing the finger at Marwood. Although I'm not fully confident of his qualities. The Chairman signs the cheques and I am assuming all spend would need to be approved. If people want to complain point the finger at Khaldoon or the Sheikh Mansour

Mancini can not keep buying. He needs to start getting the best out of what we have. We have by far the best squad in the league
 
Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

Damocles said:
Pizarro -> Rodwell is an excellent step up for an exciting young English player instead of an aging Chilean one.
Johnson->Sinclair is pretty like for like and reputedly saved us some wages.
De Jong->Garcia is still in flux. Garcia looked twice the player elsewhere so give him another few months to settle though he reputed lost some wages here
Taylor->Wright is like for like.
Savic->Nastasic is a major step up and has provided some much needed youthful competition at CB.
Maicon replaced nobody. But is obviously a Mancini player

To me, a squad needs to be improved instead of just replaced as both Chelsea and U****d improved theirs with better players. Like for like isn't good enough when the competition is better now.

Only Nastasic is the solid improvement for me (even more so now he's displaced Lescott from the team) but we haven't seen enough from Garcia to know whether he'll improve from where a sometimes one dimensional De Jong left off.

I fully agree with the rest of your views about FFP though. Hopefully Soriano's apparent quietness means he's working hard on getting it met.
 
Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

Were we in for these players or not? I think we were in for DDR, Hazard, RVP. They ended up elsewhere (or DDR stayed) but we were in for them.

If this is right how can we say it was because of FFP/cutting back the spending?

We were not in for them? Then Mancini wouldnt say the things he did many times about Marwood, wouldnt be so angry when asked about missing out on RVP in the summer. He blamed Marwood not being strong enough.

If we wouldnt have that money Khaldoon/Marwood should say him that what he has to say to the media like "we arent spending big money, we care too much about FFP, look at us we are buying only cheaper players, no more big deficit". So to sell the story in the direction of FFP.

The opposite if this happene with Mancini being childish crying over transfers in the media calling out Marwood not being strong/competent enough.

One thing is sure he wont have a chance to attack Txiki or Soriano like this even if they dont sign him the players he wants.

Doubt they would want to work with a manager like this if it happens. Even Marwood was happy to avoid MAncini in his new academy job.
 
Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

The point that I'm trying to get at, is that whilst I accept that you need to strengthen at the same rate as your rivals, with Marwood in a temporary role and with his scouting team disappearing and with the FFP concerns, he did a decent enough job.
 
Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

Damocles, we simply didn't stregthen in areas we lacked in no wingers, no CM competition/cover for Yaya. Still got 4 strikers which is one too much.

We could by rights sell Kolarov, not replace the outgoing Kolo, sell a holding player, sell Sinclair (never going to our standard) and sell a striker. We would save about 400k a week+

Promote youth to fill gaps and spend savings on Isco and Benat/Moutinho. We would save money and be up in the grand scheme of things.

We shouldn't be worried about FFP, others aren't. If worse comes to worse we miss on CL. No probs cos we most likely won't qualify next year in all seriousness.
 
Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

Damocles said:
The point that I'm trying to get at, is that whilst I accept that you need to strengthen at the same rate as your rivals, with Marwood in a temporary role and with his scouting team disappearing and with the FFP concerns, he did a decent enough job.

Do you think Marwood suffered once his ally Cook left? Players like Aguero and Silva were signed easily enough when Cook was with City but there's been failure to bring in equally big names since despite the Club willing to spend for Rodwell or Garcia.

I think that's the answer.
 
Re: Well done Brian Marwood.

Damanino said:
Were we in for these players or not? I think we were in for DDR, Hazard, RVP. They ended up elsewhere (or DDR stayed) but we were in for them.

If this is right how can we say it was because of FFP/cutting back the spending?

Because:

a) We weren't in for them at the same time. We knew Hazard had gone before going bidding large on RVP. We have no idea what might have happened to interest if we had bought Hazard.

b) It's a one in-one out system. You sign someone as you sell them and there were plenty of people lined up for Dzeko and supposedly Tevez is the price was right. If we were on the verge of signing a replacement for them, their prices would magically become right.
 

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