Brown Envelopes.......

[taconinja]

Without sarcasm, the FA must have people who are solely employed to keep these things quiet.

The British Establishment are very good at keeping things quiet. There's so much money at stake for so many people in the PL that there's a huge vested interest in doing so.

It's exactly the same scenario as the Jimmy Savile case, he was earning lots of money for various charities was considered a national treasure etc, far to big to be taken down, hence big cover ups.

The Rags have a huge armchair fan base, who are also very fickle but they buy newspapers and subscribe to TV channels across the world, without them a lot of money would be lost

True but as I mentioned elsewhere as they decline after their manager retires (hopefully in a rather... permanent manner), you'll see those fairweather fans decline and then it will all rush out from "newly discovered" sources all in an effort to boost page views.

 

[RandomJ]

Yes but do you know who he was allegedly getting them from?

I actually do not. Mind if I ask?

I don't mind at all. Shall we say it was allegedly a former politician who used to own a PL club.

Interesting thing here. At the beginning of the 2008/9 season, Clattenburg was suspended, then sacked, then reinstated. At the end of that season one singularly dodgy ref retired early and another was offered a position outside football, which he took up the following year. You can work out the names for yourself.

In 2008 the FA paid a lot of money for a dossier prepared by an expert in the Far Eastern betting markets that claimed to show a correlation between suspicious betting patterns and "odd" refereeing decisions. But I'm sure there is no connection between that and one ref being suspended and two being quietly forced out. Mere coincidence.

I know that another similar report was commissioned early this year (or late last) and a ref who had been a thorn in our side made a sharp exit from PL refereeing. And no one ever explained why Lee Mason was removed from two of our games at very short notice.

See it's this sort of shit which really opens your eyes. So many people want to believe that our league is clean and that it's just bitterness why people point this stuff out. But come on, this is the worlds biggest league, worth billions and billions there is obviously going to be some dodgy people wanting to profit from it. Refs are only human and they have to put up with a lot of shit so why wouldn't they take a nice juicy payout to make their job worthwhile.

 

[Ducado]

You just know it will all come out one day, it always does it's so bloody blatant and it's not just games involving the Rags, there have been things going on in other games that get you thinking, the game has not increased in speed so much over the last few years that they are unable to do their jobs, something has gone very wrong and I beleive it's the influence of betting syndicates on one hand, and the desire to keep a cash cow going as long as they can

 

[Dirty Harry]

You just know it will all come out one day, it always does it's so bloody blatant and it's not just games involving the Rags, there have been things going on in other games that get you thinking, the game has not increased in speed so much over the last few years that they are unable to do their jobs, something has gone very wrong and I beleive it's the influence of betting syndicates on one hand, and the desire to keep a cash cow going as long as they can

I wonder how much of a loss in revenue there would be if the rags weren't in regular contention for top honours ?

 

[Ducado]

You just know it will all come out one day, it always does it's so bloody blatant and it's not just games involving the Rags, there have been things going on in other games that get you thinking, the game has not increased in speed so much over the last few years that they are unable to do their jobs, something has gone very wrong and I beleive it's the influence of betting syndicates on one hand, and the desire to keep a cash cow going as long as they can

I wonder how much of a loss in revenue there would be if the rags weren't in regular contention for top honours ?

It would be huge especially with their Asian fan base, which is huge, they would not be interested in them, their European fan base is stronger, if you look at Liverpool they still have a large Scandinavian and Irish support despite their decline, however it's doubtful it will be added to, and eventually will decline due to normal mortality, there are not many kids who are going to want to support Liverpool nowadays. It's a sad fact of life that clubs rely on this soft fan base, there are always people like most Blues who it's in our blood whatever the success of the club

 

[Dirty Harry]

Apologies Ducado, it was more of a rhetorical question bud :-).

 

[tidyman]

A little extract from Wiki regarding Mr Clattenburg.

Clattenburg has also encountered contempt when officiating two fixtures between Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester United. In 2005 when Tottenham's Pedro Mendes had a long-range shot fumbled over the line by United goalkeeper Roy Carroll, neither Clattenburg or his assistants were in a position to award the goal. Five years later, in October 2010, he allowed to stand a United goal scored under controversial circumstances (although strictly correct under game laws) when Nani tapped the ball into the net while Spurs keeper Heurelho Gomes believed his team had a free-kick.[31]

Not seen the game today so no idea how good or bad a game he had. But if the two worst decisions you've made in a long carrer are missing a ball over the line when you're stood near the half way line and a decision that is "strictly correct," you've probably not done too badly overall.

 

[andyhinch]

A little extract from Wiki regarding Mr Clattenburg.

Clattenburg has also encountered contempt when officiating two fixtures between Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester United. In 2005 when Tottenham's Pedro Mendes had a long-range shot fumbled over the line by United goalkeeper Roy Carroll, neither Clattenburg or his assistants were in a position to award the goal. Five years later, in October 2010, he allowed to stand a United goal scored under controversial circumstances (although strictly correct under game laws) when Nani tapped the ball into the net while Spurs keeper Heurelho Gomes believed his team had a free-kick.[31]

Not seen the game today so no idea how good or bad a game he had. But if the two worst decisions you've made in a long carrer are missing a ball over the line when you're stood near the half way line and a decision that is "strictly correct," you've probably not done too badly overall.

If you've not seen the game it's a bit hard to comment;)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Here's one example of a potential match-fixing scandal and the way the FA dealt with it:

On October 4, suspicious online betting on the game between Norwich City and Derby County led some to question the validity of the Football League match. Gamblers in Asia were said to have placed a large amount of money down during halftime, which raised concerns over the outcome. The inquiry by The Football Association found no evidence that would suggest the match was fixed.

Now that last sentence suggests that they had seen the evidence and were happy the match wasn't fixed. But that wasn't the case as they approached the Far Eastern bookies who had taken the bets and they refused to co-operate. So in actual fact, they weren't able to get the evidence that the match was fixed, rather than had seen it and were happy it was clean.

The same applied to a PL game between (I think) Wigan & Fulham a few seasons ago.<br /><br />-- Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:48 pm --<br /><br />

A little extract from Wiki regarding Mr Clattenburg.

Clattenburg has also encountered contempt when officiating two fixtures between Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester United. In 2005 when Tottenham's Pedro Mendes had a long-range shot fumbled over the line by United goalkeeper Roy Carroll, neither Clattenburg or his assistants were in a position to award the goal. Five years later, in October 2010, he allowed to stand a United goal scored under controversial circumstances (although strictly correct under game laws) when Nani tapped the ball into the net while Spurs keeper Heurelho Gomes believed his team had a free-kick.[31]

Not seen the game today so no idea how good or bad a game he had. But if the two worst decisions you've made in a long carrer are missing a ball over the line when you're stood near the half way line and a decision that is "strictly correct," you've probably not done too badly overall.

Those were just two of many. How about missing two blatant penalties for us last season alone, at the swamp and Chelsea? Or sending Bellamy off when he'd been the one fouled. If you're looking for the worst, then look no further than his performance in the Merseyside derby in Oct 2007. Funnily enough, he was suspended not long after that over his "business dealings".

 

[andyhinch]

Here's one example of a potential match-fixing scandal and the way the FA dealt with it:

On October 4, suspicious online betting on the game between Norwich City and Derby County led some to question the validity of the Football League match. Gamblers in Asia were said to have placed a large amount of money down during halftime, which raised concerns over the outcome. The inquiry by The Football Association found no evidence that would suggest the match was fixed.

Now that last sentence suggests that they had seen the evidence and were happy the match wasn't fixed. But that wasn't the case as they approached the Far Eastern bookies who had taken the bets and they refused to co-operate. So in actual fact, they weren't able to get the evidence that the match was fixed, rather than had seen it and were happy it was clean.

The same applied to a PL game between (I think) Wigan & Fulham a few seasons ago.

-- Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:48 pm --

A little extract from Wiki regarding Mr Clattenburg.

Clattenburg has also encountered contempt when officiating two fixtures between Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester United. In 2005 when Tottenham's Pedro Mendes had a long-range shot fumbled over the line by United goalkeeper Roy Carroll, neither Clattenburg or his assistants were in a position to award the goal. Five years later, in October 2010, he allowed to stand a United goal scored under controversial circumstances (although strictly correct under game laws) when Nani tapped the ball into the net while Spurs keeper Heurelho Gomes believed his team had a free-kick.[31]

Not seen the game today so no idea how good or bad a game he had. But if the two worst decisions you've made in a long carrer are missing a ball over the line when you're stood near the half way line and a decision that is "strictly correct," you've probably not done too badly overall.

Those were just two of many. How about missing two blatant penalties for us last season alone, at the swamp and Chelsea? Or sending Bellamy off when he'd been the one fouled. If you're looking for the worst, then look no further than his performance in the Merseyside derby in Oct 2007. Funnily enough, he was suspended not long after that over his "business dealings".

I think your may be reading to much into this, the odd isolated incident(cheating fuckers)