Bulger Murderer sent back to clink

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Unknown_Genius said:
TheMightyQuinn said:
If prison is so soft then why don't you go out now and do a bank job, sort yourself out financially for life and you'll only serve a few years in a holiday like prison. Makes sense to me. Except, you know, deep down that prison is far from a nice place. I've visited several and they're fucking horrible places.

I agree. Denying someone their freedom is a pretty big thing. Imagine waking up on a nice sunny morning, and not being allowed to stroll down to the newsagents for a paper and maybe a chocolate bar, or not being able to meet your best mate for a pint out in the sunshine or for a game of footy, not being able to see that movie you really want to in the Cinema, not being able to eat the food you want.... The list goes on and on. No amount of playstations or Iphones can make up for not being free. I also believe our criminal justice system is a joke, the sentences are lenient, and that prisons maybe could do without the luxuries, but its not the soft punishment thats often made out in the media.


But this is it though, its onbly people like us who would miss those things. Do you think the sick twats who have been mentioned on here care about walking to the shop? DO you think Ian Huntley is currently worried abot how he won't enjoy a pint in the sun anytime soon, or do you think his luxuries make him think, 'you know what, this aint half too bad!'. I know which I believ is the truth. Chammi Chakrbati and her liberal, human rights nonsense can fuck off whn it comes to these type. A 6x6 cell for 2, one toilet between them and bread and water 3 times a day is all they deserve. No excercise, no stimulation....nothing. That is a real sentence, but sadly it doesn't happen in this country. That is why so many wish pain and death on them, because they simply are not suffering by not being able to walk to the shop or have a pint with their mates.. their time in jail is easy and full of luxuries and good, and all they have to really worry abvout is looking over their shoulder but then what do we do... we send them to be protected!!! It is a joke.
 
mackenzie said:
Cheesy said:
By & large I think so too.

Yes, there has.

Interesting to see some other opinions. I have to now confess that perhaps Venables needed some some discipline in his life, rather than being released at 18 (such a young age really).

But I still do not agree with the fact that two children were tried as adults. They were damaged beyond belief, even before they murdered James Bulger.

Let's hope that something good comes out of this whole debacle.

Even if it is that scary one...Thompson. He was MUCH more the instigator than Venables was, but he survives in a better way?


Not true apparently
 
mackenzie said:
Cheesy said:
By & large I think so too.

Yes, there has.

Interesting to see some other opinions. I have to now confess that perhaps Venables needed some some discipline in his life, rather than being released at 18 (such a young age really).

But I still do not agree with the fact that two children were tried as adults. They were damaged beyond belief, even before they murdered James Bulger.

Let's hope that something good comes out of this whole debacle.

Even if it is that scary one...Thompson. He was MUCH more the instigator than Venables was, but he survives in a better way?

no he wasn't
 
Ducado said:
To be honest what good would it do any of us to know his name and alleged Crimes?

None at all mate. For some people it's just the morbid curisity they need to fulfill their own sad little lives.
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
mackenzie said:
Yes, there has.

Interesting to see some other opinions. I have to now confess that perhaps Venables needed some some discipline in his life, rather than being released at 18 (such a young age really).

But I still do not agree with the fact that two children were tried as adults. They were damaged beyond belief, even before they murdered James Bulger.

Let's hope that something good comes out of this whole debacle.

Even if it is that scary one...Thompson. He was MUCH more the instigator than Venables was, but he survives in a better way?

no he wasn't

Zin

I don't want to know.

It kind of makes me sick that we could even have access to stuff that even the Bulger family don't.

I was merely saying what many of us thought at the time of the killing.
 
I think the morbid curiosity is probably right.
One thing I can't understand is this fair trial everyone keeps saying if his identity gets out.

If he was up for a charge of child porn which is reported in the papers then surely the evidence would be put before a court and then the defence so is it beyhond the relms that 12 poeple couldn't sit there and judge him on that alone.

If not then surely any person who has commited a serious offence and in the public eye can just say I can't have a fair trial because the jury know of my previous convictions
 
shootmeifipost10k said:
One thing I can't understand is this fair trial everyone keeps saying if his identity gets out.

If he was up for a charge of child porn which is reported in the papers then surely the evidence would be put before a court and then the defence so is it beyhond the relms that 12 poeple couldn't sit there and judge him on that alone.

You only have to read some of the more rabid posts on here to realise that this wouldn't be possible.
 
What they did was terrible and disturbing, and to me it looks like the system has gone wrong here

But he is back behind bars now, and hopefully lessons have been learnt.

But it is this morbid curiosity (thanks Cheesy) that I can not understand
 
Ducado said:
What they did was terrible and disturbing, and to me it looks like the system has gone wrong here

But he is back behind bars now, and hopefully lessons have been learnt.

But it is this morbid curiosity (thanks Cheesy) that I can not understand

Strange isn't it?
 
Ducado said:
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But it is this morbid curiosity (thanks Cheesy) that I can not understand

Think how much more of a tourist attraction the Riverdance would have been if people had died






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Cheesy said:
shootmeifipost10k said:
One thing I can't understand is this fair trial everyone keeps saying if his identity gets out.

If he was up for a charge of child porn which is reported in the papers then surely the evidence would be put before a court and then the defence so is it beyhond the relms that 12 poeple couldn't sit there and judge him on that alone.

You only have to read some of the more rabid posts on here to realise that this wouldn't be possible.


So everytime the public scream and shout and calls for someone to be hanged killed they can't have a fair trial, like I said if we thought then surely no trial is fair if any previous convictions are known.
Without nameing him how many jurors up n down the country will be looking at some 27year old in the dock thinking maybe it's him and would this alter their judgemrnt in the eveidence put before them
 
Pigeonho said:
Unknown_Genius said:
I agree. Denying someone their freedom is a pretty big thing. Imagine waking up on a nice sunny morning, and not being allowed to stroll down to the newsagents for a paper and maybe a chocolate bar, or not being able to meet your best mate for a pint out in the sunshine or for a game of footy, not being able to see that movie you really want to in the Cinema, not being able to eat the food you want.... The list goes on and on. No amount of playstations or Iphones can make up for not being free. I also believe our criminal justice system is a joke, the sentences are lenient, and that prisons maybe could do without the luxuries, but its not the soft punishment thats often made out in the media.


But this is it though, its onbly people like us who would miss those things. Do you think the sick twats who have been mentioned on here care about walking to the shop? DO you think Ian Huntley is currently worried abot how he won't enjoy a pint in the sun anytime soon, or do you think his luxuries make him think, 'you know what, this aint half too bad!'. I know which I believ is the truth. Chammi Chakrbati and her liberal, human rights nonsense can fuck off whn it comes to these type. A 6x6 cell for 2, one toilet between them and bread and water 3 times a day is all they deserve. No excercise, no stimulation....nothing. That is a real sentence, but sadly it doesn't happen in this country. That is why so many wish pain and death on them, because they simply are not suffering by not being able to walk to the shop or have a pint with their mates.. their time in jail is easy and full of luxuries and good, and all they have to really worry abvout is looking over their shoulder but then what do we do... we send them to be protected!!! It is a joke.

I agree that harsher punishments should be inflicted depending on the seriousness of the crime. For someone like Huntley or Venables a regular prison isn't enough. In the Shawshank redemption, they had that "Hole" punishment, where they were put into that tiny dark room, and small amounts of food were pushed in, and were not let out. A prison like in that movie is how they should be, in my opinion.
 
Surely if illegal images are found he wouldn't get a trial, his licence would be revoked and he would be returned to continue his life sentence.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.probation.homeoffice.gov.uk/files/pdf/PC29%202007.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.probation.homeoffice.gov.uk/ ... 202007.pdf</a>
 
tueartsboots said:
Surely if illegal images are found he wouldn't get a trial, his licence would be revoked and he would be returned to continue his life sentence.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.probation.homeoffice.gov.uk/files/pdf/PC29%202007.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.probation.homeoffice.gov.uk/ ... 202007.pdf</a>

He wasn't out on probation though I don't think.
 
Cheesy said:
tueartsboots said:
Surely if illegal images are found he wouldn't get a trial, his licence would be revoked and he would be returned to continue his life sentence.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.probation.homeoffice.gov.uk/files/pdf/PC29%202007.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.probation.homeoffice.gov.uk/ ... 202007.pdf</a>

He wasn't out on probation though I don't think.
He's on life licence, one condition is that he MUST lead a crime free life
 
Pigeonho said:
Unknown_Genius said:
I agree. Denying someone their freedom is a pretty big thing. Imagine waking up on a nice sunny morning, and not being allowed to stroll down to the newsagents for a paper and maybe a chocolate bar, or not being able to meet your best mate for a pint out in the sunshine or for a game of footy, not being able to see that movie you really want to in the Cinema, not being able to eat the food you want.... The list goes on and on. No amount of playstations or Iphones can make up for not being free. I also believe our criminal justice system is a joke, the sentences are lenient, and that prisons maybe could do without the luxuries, but its not the soft punishment thats often made out in the media.


But this is it though, its onbly people like us who would miss those things. Do you think the sick twats who have been mentioned on here care about walking to the shop? DO you think Ian Huntley is currently worried abot how he won't enjoy a pint in the sun anytime soon, or do you think his luxuries make him think, 'you know what, this aint half too bad!'. I know which I believ is the truth. Chammi Chakrbati and her liberal, human rights nonsense can fuck off whn it comes to these type. A 6x6 cell for 2, one toilet between them and bread and water 3 times a day is all they deserve. No excercise, no stimulation....nothing. That is a real sentence, but sadly it doesn't happen in this country. That is why so many wish pain and death on them, because they simply are not suffering by not being able to walk to the shop or have a pint with their mates.. their time in jail is easy and full of luxuries and good, and all they have to really worry abvout is looking over their shoulder but then what do we do... we send them to be protected!!! It is a joke.

Spoken like a man who has never served a day in his life, or even been near a prison recently.

A friend works as part of a youth offenders team, looking after kids who have been banged up, or are about to be banged up. He told me a story today of a young lad who has just gone into prison. His dad was a smackhead, and used to batter him if he didn't bring money home for him to spend on his dope. Due to this, the lad started stealing and doing burglaries, eventually getting caught and getting sent down.
The lad went inside and made friends with his cell mate. What he didn't know, is that his cell mate was in for racially motivated crimes, so he basically got labelled a Nazi, and got the shit kicked out of him.
He had to go to hospital wing recently, because one of his tormentors put sugar in boiling water and threw it at his face, which pretty much melted it. Of course, while the lad was on the hospital wing, somebody's cell got raided for drugs, so the wing presumed he was a grass because he was out of his cell for a long time.
When he got back to his cell, a bunch of guys battered him within an inch of his life with whatever weapons they could find. He is now on suicide watch, because he is crying that he can't take any more of it and he is afraid that he might be killed, so he'd rather do it himself. In addition to this, my friend pointed at his name on a clipboard and said he wanted to speak to that lad specifically (in front of a few other lads waiting), when the screw said out loud "What? Joe Bloggs? I didn't know he was with your lot". Now these other guys may be on a separate wing, but they have no idea what my friend's "lot" is, so if word gets back, or another raid happens, the guys going to die. The screw was apologetic and put it down to an honest mistake, but the damage is done.
The kid will most likely kill himself over the next few days because he is scared of dying in there, and refuses to be labelled a grass and tell anybody who is leathering him. At his next birthday, he'll be 14.

Prison is still an ugly, ugly place, ask anybody who actually works in them and doesn't get their information via the Daily Mail.
Oh, and I know plenty of ex-cons and it IS the simple things that they miss - watching the footy, going for a pint, getting a chippy, that sort of stuff.
 
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