Bulger Murderer sent back to clink

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Lucky Toma said:
Pigeonho said:
Each to their own, but in extreme cases like this i'm afraid I believe in an eye for an eye.
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I totally respect that mate. I have never before - or anytime since - had my convictions so deeply shaken as when I found out about what happened that day.
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Do you mean the actual murder or the day your mum spoke to him? If its the murder well I was only 15 at the time and whilst shocked, didn't truly 'appreciate' the scale of it until my latter years. For me, going off being an adult at the time, the Soham murders shook me, purely because the guy had the nerve to do a fucking TV interview knowing full well what he'd done. I stick to my guns that in the highly unlikely event I become PM, I would most definitely fight for a law which puts the likes of Venables/Thomson, Whiting, Huntley, and the Brady/Hindleys of their day on an island and let stag do's and the likes loose on them with guns. Of course that will never happen, not with the likes of Shammi Chakrafuckingbati about, but you see my point i'm sure. Oxygen should not be a privilege for people like this.
 
Pigeonho said:
Lucky Toma said:
I totally respect that mate. I have never before - or anytime since - had my convictions so deeply shaken as when I found out about what happened that day.
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Do you mean the actual murder or the day your mum spoke to him? If its the murder well I was only 15 at the time and whilst shocked, didn't truly 'appreciate' the scale of it until my latter years. For me, going off being an adult at the time, the Soham murders shook me, purely because the guy had the nerve to do a fucking TV interview knowing full well what he'd done. I stick to my guns that in the highly unlikely event I become PM, I would most definitely fight for a law which puts the likes of Venables/Thomson, Whiting, Huntley, and the Brady/Hindleys of their day on an island and let stag do's and the likes loose on them with guns. Of course that will never happen, not with the likes of Shammi Chakrafuckingbati about, but you see my point i'm sure. Oxygen should not be a privilege for people like this.
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Do you remember that crazy bitch that stabbed her boyfriend to death doing an interview afterwards?she claimed somebody had killed him in a fit of road rage.She was one mad fucker.
 
scowy68 said:
Pigeonho said:
Do you mean the actual murder or the day your mum spoke to him? If its the murder well I was only 15 at the time and whilst shocked, didn't truly 'appreciate' the scale of it until my latter years. For me, going off being an adult at the time, the Soham murders shook me, purely because the guy had the nerve to do a fucking TV interview knowing full well what he'd done. I stick to my guns that in the highly unlikely event I become PM, I would most definitely fight for a law which puts the likes of Venables/Thomson, Whiting, Huntley, and the Brady/Hindleys of their day on an island and let stag do's and the likes loose on them with guns. Of course that will never happen, not with the likes of Shammi Chakrafuckingbati about, but you see my point i'm sure. Oxygen should not be a privilege for people like this.
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Do you remember that crazy bitch that stabbed her boyfriend to death doing an interview afterwards?she claimed somebody had killed him in a fit of road rage.She was one mad fucker.
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Yeah i do remember her and that story. For some reason though I don't put her on a plane to my island, not sure why that is, most likely because its a story which doesn't shock, if you see what I mean? Here's another for the list though. Remember Suzanne Kapper? Moston lass from round near me who got tortured to death about 1992? Her tormentors hae a couple of seats with their names on, for sure. Horrific case that was. I used to go out with her best mate, Justine, and she was devestated for years afterwards.
 
Pigeonho said:
Lucky Toma said:
I totally respect that mate. I have never before - or anytime since - had my convictions so deeply shaken as when I found out about what happened that day.
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Do you mean the actual murder or the day your mum spoke to him? If its the murder well I was only 15 at the time and whilst shocked, didn't truly 'appreciate' the scale of it until my latter years. For me, going off being an adult at the time, the Soham murders shook me, purely because the guy had the nerve to do a fucking TV interview knowing full well what he'd done. I stick to my guns that in the highly unlikely event I become PM, I would most definitely fight for a law which puts the likes of Venables/Thomson, Whiting, Huntley, and the Brady/Hindleys of their day on an island and let stag do's and the likes loose on them with guns. Of course that will never happen, not with the likes of Shammi Chakrafuckingbati about, but you see my point i'm sure. Oxygen should not be a privilege for people like this.
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Nah it wasnt my mum mate. It was my counselling 'mentor', basically the lecturer of the course who then proceeded to 'sit in' on initial sessions and show me the ropes.
And yeah I meant the actual day of the murder itself. Seeing those haunting CCTV images and the details coming to light in the ensueing days and weeks.
Was impossible for any of us to process. It still is. Two children doing such an unimaginable, evil thing? It is beyond our capacity to 'understand'. Whereas Huntley and Brady....there is at the very least a way to rationalize their vile crimes within our understanding of the world ie they are extremely disturbed adults committing unspeakable acts upon innocent children.
The Bulger case still shocks me to this day and I still cannot process it. And I think that is - besides the obvious reasons - because it suggests at the possibility of the existence of evil. Which is something I truly do not want to be the case.
With adults there are reasons that can be attributed to how they became who they did. How they became capable of doing what they did.
But two ten year old boys?
People have said elsewhere on this thread about how some degree of culpability should be laid at the parent's feet. And of course it is fair to assume - so fair in fact that I actually feel I'm being frivilous and distasteful here for stating it - that they failed to set their child's moral compass. To teach them the basic rights from wrongs.
But unless both sets of parents did an EXTREME amount of psychological damage to those two sick fuckers....and I mean truly extreme....then they cannot be held accountable.
Something else motivated their actions that day other than neglectful nurturing.
 
Sorry mate,wasn't wanting to put her on your guest list,although I'm sure the guys Mother and little Girl would argue the toss with you.You just jogged my memory a bit as to this mad fucker and how she cried her eyes out and went on crimewatch to fabricate this story about some guy who murdered her boyfriend,they reckon the coppers had her number all the time,just let her go ahead with her little charade.


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Lucky Toma said:
Pigeonho said:
Do you mean the actual murder or the day your mum spoke to him? If its the murder well I was only 15 at the time and whilst shocked, didn't truly 'appreciate' the scale of it until my latter years. For me, going off being an adult at the time, the Soham murders shook me, purely because the guy had the nerve to do a fucking TV interview knowing full well what he'd done. I stick to my guns that in the highly unlikely event I become PM, I would most definitely fight for a law which puts the likes of Venables/Thomson, Whiting, Huntley, and the Brady/Hindleys of their day on an island and let stag do's and the likes loose on them with guns. Of course that will never happen, not with the likes of Shammi Chakrafuckingbati about, but you see my point i'm sure. Oxygen should not be a privilege for people like this.
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Nah it wasnt my mum mate. It was my counselling 'mentor', basically the lecturer of the course who then proceeded to 'sit in' on initial sessions and show me the ropes.
And yeah I meant the actual day of the murder itself. Seeing those haunting CCTV images and the details coming to light in the ensueing days and weeks.
Was impossible for any of us to process. It still is. Two children doing such an unimaginable, evil thing?
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Sorry mate, misread it. I know what you mean though, as I know someone who is a counsellor too, and she tells me things about kids which whilst nothing like this, it still makes her lose sleep etc. I know I couldn't do it. The CCTV images are horrendous, cos you know what his fate is. That is why the death sentence, or some kind of torture, (in my view), is the only solution for twats like this, because those images prove it was premiditated and set up and planned. Horrific.
 
scowy68 said:
Sorry mate,wasn't wanting to put her on your guest list,although I'm sure the guys Mother and little Girl would argue the toss with you.You just jogged my memory a bit as to this mad fucker and how she cried her eyes out and went on crimewatch to fabricate this story about some guy who murdered her boyfriend,they reckon the coppers had her number all the time,just let her go ahead with her little charade.


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Oh no I know what you mean mate, a truly calculating and horrendous crime and you are also right in terms of his family probably wanting a seat reserved. I think with me though, any crime against a child or young person up to like the age of 16/17 just makes me angry as a mo fo. I have a 7 year old daughter and an 11 year old lad and whilst my lad goes about his business with less of an eye on him from me, I constantly watch what my daughter is doing. I even go to the point of waiting in my car when i drop her off at school and I look at folk in their cars and wonder if any of them are nonces or something. One guy caught my eye recently cos he just looked out of place. I saw him again today though and like me, he is just dropping his daughter off at school. I too may look like a nonce sitting in my car outside a school with my black windows. Its sad society is like that, but its a sign of the times i'm afraid.
 
Lucky Toma said:
Just added to my post Pigeonho. Kinda rambled on but still trying to find some kind of sense to it. When I guess the only way normal people such as us can sleep at night is to realize that occasionally in this world there's going to be things that just dont make sense.
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Just read the edited part. In regards of motivation, remember this was the case which saw the banning of the film, 'Childs Play'? As a kid I thought, 'fuckin hell, these 2 did this cos of a movie?', however as an adult and after witnessing various moves from our government which are laughable, at best, all that was was a way of them saying 'hey look at us, we did something about this'. Banning a movie? What a fucking joke. If a film was enough to spark two lads to do this, well then what about all the games etc available today? My lad plays GTA on his xbox and, unless i've missed something, he is yet to go out and car jack someone. These 2 were born evil and based on my lack of knowledge of their parents, I feel for their parents because they too have lost a child as a result of this.
 
I totally agree about the films and computer games. Its laughable. When I was a kid I used to write horror stories and sometimes I'd hear stuff like 'You're warped' or 'What goes on in that head of yours?'....err its called a fucking imagination!
I play GTA and revel in the absolute carnage then get in my car in the real world, drive sensibly and tut at drivers for not indicating.
 
Lucky Toma said:
I totally agree about the films and computer games. Its laughable. When I was a kid I used to write horror stories and sometimes I'd hear stuff like 'You're warped' or 'What goes on in that head of yours?'....err its called a fucking imagination!
I play GTA and revel in the absolute carnage then get in my car in the real world, drive sensibly and tut at drivers for not indicating.
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That's because you my friend, like me, (most of the time ;-) ), are not evil and know right from wrong and fantasy from reality. Our two 'friends' from Liverpool, do not.
 
Blue Lloyd said:
salfordpaul said:
I know it for fact. They were at a "home" on Irlam moss serving their time and fucking pampered!

The good news now is that for the first time (if its right) this little cretin will go into mainstream prisons/young offenders inst, depending on his age) Go and rot you evil shit!
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One of them (can't remember which one?) was also at a 'home' in Newton-le-Willows.
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It was Red Bank School / detention cente, i live near there and during the court case there would be a police escort to and from there everyday, a lot of mates worked there and it was the worst kept sectret in Newton, he was also a regular at Old trafford (no lie) as part of rehabilitation
 
kinkladze:-) said:
ElanJo said:
When you say "hell", do you mean eternal torture/punishment? If so, you're worse than the 2 killers.
Either they were'nt raised properly/at all or they have/had mental problems. Yes, people need to take responsibility for their actions but they also need help. You can't tell if they are too far gone for help if you do not try. Besides, I'd rather live in a world where we tried to help people (and a 10 year old murderer is the epitome of someone who needs help) first rather than lock them up forever or kill them.
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By hell I mean a life behind bars, solitary confinement and maybe the occasional slap in the showers.....now to me that is eternal punishment! For voicing my opinion you have labelled me worse than both killers?????? Get a fucking grip of yourself shithead!
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Well if you don't mean eternal punishment then you're not worse than them, so you don't need to act like a big fucking jesse.
 
Britain should never have let the pair walk free again. What they did that day is absolutely horrific and unless you are seriously screwed up in some shape or form, you do not commit a crime of that magnitude. They knew full well what they were doing when they tortured and killed him and the fact that they did it for no apparent reason only confirms their evil. I've listened to recordings of them being questioned about it and there is no way in hell those children didn't know what had been done.

Maybe they shouldn't have been killed as a punishment and maybe they do have a right to be kept alive today, no matter what they continue to do now. However, I have no sympathy for them and anything that does come to them is thoroughly okay in my book. They killed and tortured a two year old boy, they lied about it and they have not changed; although their identities are secret, we all hear the rumors and whispers about what they've done since. These people are evil to the core.

Personally I hope he is kept in prison for a very, very long time. I also hope the showers are made as unpleasant as possible... Plenty of rape for Mister Venables.
 
As far as I can see the are both sociopaths (look it up if you don't know what it means). As a father of 3 I would not condone killing kids even though in this case it may be merited.

As I am relatively civilized, unless anyone hurts one of my kids in which case you had better start running and never stop and really hope the police get you because I will not be civilised at that point, all I can say is evil does exist and they never ever should have been let out. Yes random volence does happen between kids, I know I have 5 brothers, kicking the crap out of any or all of them at the same time was OK but killing them, and not even with the torture those monsters did, would have been an anathema (again look it up).

This I think is not a parenting issue and sorry to the bleading hearts but some people are born evil, Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Huntley, those 2 scouse twats and BTW how did anybody think that taking impressionable youths to the theatre of cheats(TM) was going to make them better people?
 
Xavvi said:
Britain should never have let the pair walk free again. What they did that day is absolutely horrific and unless you are seriously screwed up in some shape or form, you do not commit a crime of that magnitude. They knew full well what they were doing when they tortured and killed him and the fact that they did it for no apparent reason only confirms their evil. I've listened to recordings of them being questioned about it and there is no way in hell those children didn't know what had been done.

Maybe they shouldn't have been killed as a punishment and maybe they do have a right to be kept alive today, no matter what they continue to do now. However, I have no sympathy for them and anything that does come to them is thoroughly okay in my book. They killed and tortured a two year old boy, they lied about it and they have not changed; although their identities are secret, we all hear the rumors and whispers about what they've done since. These people are evil to the core.

Personally I hope he is kept in prison for a very, very long time. I also hope the showers are made as unpleasant as possible... Plenty of rape for Mister Venables.
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Nobody disputes what they did as "horrific." And yes, they were well and truly "screwed up."

But they were children. 10/11 years old.

What was society supposed to do? Kill them? Hang them?

Lock them up and throw away the key forever?

Or at least see them as children and try and rehabilltate. Isn't that what any civilised adult and/or society would opt for?

Wasn't it worth a try to get something/anything positive out of a bloody awful situation?

It HAS worked before. Mary Bell is a prime example. And she killed on two separate occasions at the same age as the Bulger killers. She strangled two toddlers to death.

And to those who have a go at others because they don't have children; when was that a pre requisite for a balanced view on this subject? That is bollocks imho.

My lad was 8 at the time of the killings, and I remember wanting to kill the bastards who had done this.
Then when I saw that it was kids I just wanted to cry, for the sheer fuck up of the whole situation. For the victims.

Stuff like this has been going on for centuries. The Bulger killing was not an isolated incident by any stretch of the imagination.
 
berger1985 said:
Looks like the world is closing in on him. They can't hide his identity forever.
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The "Fleet Street" journalists know his identity; they are not allowed however to release it nor a recent picture of him (though curiously the Scottish press could, but fear political repercussion for printing it and probably believe it would not be socially responsible). The American press (and any other) could print his identity without fear of anything, such is their power, but why would it interest American audiences, some 17 years after the initial event?
 
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