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tueartsboots
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Made up? Don't think so- Dad is a retired Prison Governormackenzie said:tueartsboots said:Licences
1. The aim of the licence period is to reduce the risk to the public, reduce re-offending and
aid resettlement. The probation service manages offenders on licence so as to protect
the public and uses the time to work on criminogenic factors. It also provides an
opportunity for the effective resettlement of offenders (finding and maintaining
employment, training or education opportunities, housing, and sustaining family ties),
which is fundamental to reducing re-offending. If offenders remained in custody until the
end of their sentence and were then released without the opportunity to assess and
manage their risk in the community, it could potentially increase the risk of re-offending
in the medium to long term.
Standard conditions for determinate sentences
2. Licence conditions for standard determinate sentence offenders sentenced under the
Criminal Justice Act 2003 are set out in Statutory Instrument No. 648 of 2005 (The
Criminal Justice (Sentencing) (Licence Conditions) Order 2005). That Order is also used
as guidance for the licence conditions for determinate sentence offenders who are
entitled to be released under the Criminal Justice Act 1991. The Statutory Instrument
prescribes the wording of the standard conditions of the licence and provides a broad
description of a number of broad “requirements” which may be individually adapted in
order to create valid additional conditions. Any additional condition which does not
seek to impose something from the requirements listed in the Statutory
Instrument should not be applied to a licence without seeking advice from the
Post Release Section and, in the case of offenders given a sentence under the
2003 Act can not be legally enforced.
3. All determinate prisoners released on licence are subject to a set of six standard licence
conditions which are set out below.
i) To keep in touch with your supervising officer in accordance with any instructions
that you may be given;
ii) If required, to receive visits from your supervising officer at your home/place of
residence (e.g. approved premises);
iii) Permanently to reside at an address approved by your supervising officer and
notify him or her in advance of any proposed change of address or any proposed
stay (even for one night) away from that approved address;
iv) Undertake only such work (including voluntary work) approved by your
supervising officer and notify him or her in advance of any proposed change;
v) Not to travel outside the United Kingdom unless otherwise directed by your
supervising officer (permission for which will be given in exceptional
circumstances only) or for the purpose of complying with immigration
deportation/removal;
vi) To be well behaved, not to commit any offence and not to do anything which
could undermine the purpose of your supervision, which is to protect the public,
prevent you from re-offending and help you to re-settle successfully into the
community.
Standard conditions for indeterminate sentences including life sentences and sentences
of Imprisonment for Public Protection (IPP)
4. Life licences are issued under section 28(5) of the Crime (Sentences) Act 1997. Those
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serving an IPP sentence are also released under the 1997 Act as amended by Schedule
18 to the Criminal Justice Act 2003.
5. All indeterminate sentence offenders are released on a licence that contains seven
standard conditions. Condition 7 relating to good behaviour was added as a standard
condition to all indeterminate licences issued after 16 May 2005. The standard
conditions are set out below.
i) He/She shall place himself/herself under the supervision of whichever
supervising officer is nominated for this purpose from time to time.
ii) He/She shall on release report to the supervising officer so nominated, and shall
keep in touch with that officer in accordance with that officer’s instructions.
iii) He/She shall, if his/her supervising officer so requires, receive visits from that
officer where the licence holder is living.
iv) He/She shall reside only where approved by his/her supervising officer.
v) He/She shall undertake work, including voluntary work, only where approved by
his/her supervising officer and shall inform that officer of any change in or loss of
such employment.
vi) He/She shall not travel outside the United Kingdom without the prior permission
of his/her supervising officer.
vii) He/She shall be well behaved and not do anything which could undermine the
purposes of supervision on licence which are to protect the public, by ensuring
that their safety would not be placed at risk, and to secure his/her successful
reintegration into the community.
And, in the words of the great poster that was Scarblu....................."You made that up."
(Soz TB...been dying to say that for ages). ;-)
tueartsboots said:Made up? Don't think so- Dad is a retired Prison Governormackenzie said:And, in the words of the great poster that was Scarblu....................."You made that up."
(Soz TB...been dying to say that for ages). ;-)
Was a joke from the past tb, that's all.
Scarblu used to do it to very informative posts.
tueartsboots
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Ok, whoosh then ! ;-pmackenzie said:tueartsboots said:Made up? Don't think so- Dad is a retired Prison Governor
Was a joke from the past tb, that's all.
Scarblu used to do it to very informative posts.
tueartsboots said:Ok, whoosh then ! ;-pmackenzie said:Was a joke from the past tb, that's all.
Scarblu used to do it to very informative posts.
Scar did it to much greater effect than I could ever do. ;-)
Thanks for seeing there was simply humour intended though.
Banned Tosspot
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Maybe it's just me but Bulger's mother always makes me feel sick. Feel a bit harsh about her loss.
Aren't her family a bit dodgy?
Aren't her family a bit dodgy?
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tueartsboots said:He's on life licence, one condition is that he MUST lead a crime free lifeCheesy said:He wasn't out on probation though I don't think.
Surely an alleged offence isn't enough though? He must still need to be found guilty of something.
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Cheesy said:tueartsboots said:He's on life licence, one condition is that he MUST lead a crime free life
Surely an alleged offence isn't enough though? He must still need to be found guilty of something.
AS others have alluded to previously, it is highly likely that there have been a number of things he has done that go against the conditions of his licence. His supervising officer and his/her superior may have allowed one or two 'minor' issues pass by but the latest 'misdemeanour' has proved to be the culmination of events. Only an educated guess, of course, as we do not know for sure what exactly has transpired with Venables. He can be recalled by using one of the 'minor' breaks as an 'excuse', whilst the more serious reason is investigated thoroughly. It would appear that they must be pretty confident of a conviction if this is the case though.
All imho, of course.
tueartsboots
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I guess thats a bit of a quandry, technically if he has broken the law and it's obvious he has broken licence conditions, hence why he is in nick now and not on bail. The very fact that he has returned to Liverpool is enough to rescind his licenceCheesy said:tueartsboots said:He's on life licence, one condition is that he MUST lead a crime free life
Surely an alleged offence isn't enough though? He must still need to be found guilty of something.
Pigeonho
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Damocles said:Pigeonho said:But this is it though, its onbly people like us who would miss those things. Do you think the sick twats who have been mentioned on here care about walking to the shop? DO you think Ian Huntley is currently worried abot how he won't enjoy a pint in the sun anytime soon, or do you think his luxuries make him think, 'you know what, this aint half too bad!'. I know which I believ is the truth. Chammi Chakrbati and her liberal, human rights nonsense can fuck off whn it comes to these type. A 6x6 cell for 2, one toilet between them and bread and water 3 times a day is all they deserve. No excercise, no stimulation....nothing. That is a real sentence, but sadly it doesn't happen in this country. That is why so many wish pain and death on them, because they simply are not suffering by not being able to walk to the shop or have a pint with their mates.. their time in jail is easy and full of luxuries and good, and all they have to really worry abvout is looking over their shoulder but then what do we do... we send them to be protected!!! It is a joke.
Spoken like a man who has never served a day in his life, or even been near a prison recently.
A friend works as part of a youth offenders team, looking after kids who have been banged up, or are about to be banged up. He told me a story today of a young lad who has just gone into prison. His dad was a smackhead, and used to batter him if he didn't bring money home for him to spend on his dope. Due to this, the lad started stealing and doing burglaries, eventually getting caught and getting sent down.
The lad went inside and made friends with his cell mate. What he didn't know, is that his cell mate was in for racially motivated crimes, so he basically got labelled a Nazi, and got the shit kicked out of him.
He had to go to hospital wing recently, because one of his tormentors put sugar in boiling water and threw it at his face, which pretty much melted it. Of course, while the lad was on the hospital wing, somebody's cell got raided for drugs, so the wing presumed he was a grass because he was out of his cell for a long time.
When he got back to his cell, a bunch of guys battered him within an inch of his life with whatever weapons they could find. He is now on suicide watch, because he is crying that he can't take any more of it and he is afraid that he might be killed, so he'd rather do it himself. In addition to this, my friend pointed at his name on a clipboard and said he wanted to speak to that lad specifically (in front of a few other lads waiting), when the screw said out loud "What? Joe Bloggs? I didn't know he was with your lot". Now these other guys may be on a separate wing, but they have no idea what my friend's "lot" is, so if word gets back, or another raid happens, the guys going to die. The screw was apologetic and put it down to an honest mistake, but the damage is done.
The kid will most likely kill himself over the next few days because he is scared of dying in there, and refuses to be labelled a grass and tell anybody who is leathering him. At his next birthday, he'll be 14.
Prison is still an ugly, ugly place, ask anybody who actually works in them and doesn't get their information via the Daily Mail.
Oh, and I know plenty of ex-cons and it IS the simple things that they miss - watching the footy, going for a pint, getting a chippy, that sort of stuff.
Sounds like a sad story, and i'm sure there are many more. Likewise though, i'm sure there are many more like the one I stated earlier, where a lad I know looked forward to going inside for a year, (for assault), to 'workout'. Course, he is a hardened criminal and that was his 8th the inside for various, petty things and so he knows what it takes to fit in, in nick. Your case doesn't just mean jail is hard, likewise mine doesn't mean its easy but I tend to believee what is reported when they say the criminsals get access to facebook, playstations and gthe like, and for me that is no punishment.
Banned Tosspot said:Maybe it's just me but Bulger's mother always makes me feel sick. Feel a bit harsh about her loss.
Aren't her family a bit dodgy?
Why does Bulger's Mother make you feel sick?
Banned Tosspot
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Just does. She just has a face I don't like.mackenzie said:Banned Tosspot said:Maybe it's just me but Bulger's mother always makes me feel sick. Feel a bit harsh about her loss.
Aren't her family a bit dodgy?
Why does Bulger's Mother make you feel sick?
Banned Tosspot said:Maybe it's just me but Bulger's mother always makes me feel sick. Feel a bit harsh about her loss.
Aren't her family a bit dodgy?
A bit dodgy?
Like in they might sell a few copied cd's in the pub dodgy or the drug dealer type dodgy?
The mother probably wasnt looking her best when being interviewed by the media shortly her son was butchered.
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I remember people saying at the time that Jamie Bulgers mother was out shoplifting alledgedly at the time when her son was taken away.This is half the problem with the whole case,99.9% of what people hear about the case is what people hear in the pub or read in the sun.
Pigeonho
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wayne71 said:Banned Tosspot said:Maybe it's just me but Bulger's mother always makes me feel sick. Feel a bit harsh about her loss.
Aren't her family a bit dodgy?
A bit dodgy?
Like in they might sell a few copied cd's in the pub dodgy or the drug dealer type dodgy?
The mother probably wasnt looking her best when being interviewed by the media shortly her son was butchered.
You said what I wanted to say, but I knew if I said it i'd end up slagging bannedtosspot right off at the same time. Thank you.
Banned Tosspot
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I'd have sleepless nights.Pigeonho said:wayne71 said:A bit dodgy?
Like in they might sell a few copied cd's in the pub dodgy or the drug dealer type dodgy?
The mother probably wasnt looking her best when being interviewed by the media shortly her son was butchered.
You said what I wanted to say, but I knew if I said it i'd end up slagging bannedtosspot right off at the same time. Thank you.
PC Brigade strikes again.
smudgedj
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Damocles said:Pigeonho said:But this is it though, its onbly people like us who would miss those things. Do you think the sick twats who have been mentioned on here care about walking to the shop? DO you think Ian Huntley is currently worried abot how he won't enjoy a pint in the sun anytime soon, or do you think his luxuries make him think, 'you know what, this aint half too bad!'. I know which I believ is the truth. Chammi Chakrbati and her liberal, human rights nonsense can fuck off whn it comes to these type. A 6x6 cell for 2, one toilet between them and bread and water 3 times a day is all they deserve. No excercise, no stimulation....nothing. That is a real sentence, but sadly it doesn't happen in this country. That is why so many wish pain and death on them, because they simply are not suffering by not being able to walk to the shop or have a pint with their mates.. their time in jail is easy and full of luxuries and good, and all they have to really worry abvout is looking over their shoulder but then what do we do... we send them to be protected!!! It is a joke.
Spoken like a man who has never served a day in his life, or even been near a prison recently.
A friend works as part of a youth offenders team, looking after kids who have been banged up, or are about to be banged up. He told me a story today of a young lad who has just gone into prison. His dad was a smackhead, and used to batter him if he didn't bring money home for him to spend on his dope. Due to this, the lad started stealing and doing burglaries, eventually getting caught and getting sent down.
The lad went inside and made friends with his cell mate. What he didn't know, is that his cell mate was in for racially motivated crimes, so he basically got labelled a Nazi, and got the shit kicked out of him.
He had to go to hospital wing recently, because one of his tormentors put sugar in boiling water and threw it at his face, which pretty much melted it. Of course, while the lad was on the hospital wing, somebody's cell got raided for drugs, so the wing presumed he was a grass because he was out of his cell for a long time.
When he got back to his cell, a bunch of guys battered him within an inch of his life with whatever weapons they could find. He is now on suicide watch, because he is crying that he can't take any more of it and he is afraid that he might be killed, so he'd rather do it himself. In addition to this, my friend pointed at his name on a clipboard and said he wanted to speak to that lad specifically (in front of a few other lads waiting), when the screw said out loud "What? Joe Bloggs? I didn't know he was with your lot". Now these other guys may be on a separate wing, but they have no idea what my friend's "lot" is, so if word gets back, or another raid happens, the guys going to die. The screw was apologetic and put it down to an honest mistake, but the damage is done.
The kid will most likely kill himself over the next few days because he is scared of dying in there, and refuses to be labelled a grass and tell anybody who is leathering him. At his next birthday, he'll be 14.
Prison is still an ugly, ugly place, ask anybody who actually works in them and doesn't get their information via the Daily Mail.
Oh, and I know plenty of ex-cons and it IS the simple things that they miss - watching the footy, going for a pint, getting a chippy, that sort of stuff.
So if he survives do you think he would re-offend?
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In my opinion, this wanker you allude to is another one who shouldn't see the light of freedom ever again. He's clearly a bit of a twat who is absolutely no use to society whatsoever. In fact, I dare say Robert Thompson himself is contributing more to society than this scumbag ever will.Pigeonho said:Sounds like a sad story, and i'm sure there are many more. Likewise though, i'm sure there are many more like the one I stated earlier, where a lad I know looked forward to going inside for a year, (for assault), to 'workout'. Course, he is a hardened criminal and that was his 8th the inside for various, petty things and so he knows what it takes to fit in, in nick. Your case doesn't just mean jail is hard, likewise mine doesn't mean its easy but I tend to believee what is reported when they say the criminsals get access to facebook, playstations and gthe like, and for me that is no punishment.
As despicable and gruesome as many one-off murders are, it's these habitual criminals with absolutely no desire to straighten out who are the real blight on British society, as you're much more likely to encounter them and their twattish ways.
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and then include in their post completely unsubstantiated slurs like ...unsworthblue said:This is half the problem with the whole case,99.9% of what people hear about the case is what people hear in the pub or read in the sun.
Its one thing for BT to say "she looks a bit dodgy. Its rather tasteless UB to post that she was (alledgedly) committing a criminal act at the very time her son was taken. Poor form mate. Imounsworthblue said:I remember people saying at the time that Jamie Bulgers mother was out shoplifting alledgedly at the time when her son was taken away.
MCFC87
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Throw away the key, bomb the fucking cell - He doesn't deserve a life, neither of them do.