You've changed the order in which he said those two things though, which completely changes the meaning.bluemoonmatt said:and then include in their post completely unsubstantiated slurs like ...unsworthblue said:This is half the problem with the whole case,99.9% of what people hear about the case is what people hear in the pub or read in the sun.
Its one thing for BT to say "she looks a bit dodgy. Its rather tasteless UB to post that she was (alledgedly) committing a criminal act at the very time her son was taken. Poor form mate. Imounsworthblue said:I remember people saying at the time that Jamie Bulgers mother was out shoplifting alledgedly at the time when her son was taken away.
I don't think anyone disagrees with that. He's had his chance and blown it. He should now have to deal with some very severe consequences.scowy68 said:Shouldn't even be a debate on this,he's obviously an evil little bastard who needs locking away until he dies.He's already had the good fortune of a second chance at life,unlike the little boy who had his snuffed out in such a horrible manner.
After all the money that's been spent on him in an attempt at rehabilitation,he's just went out and offended again.It's no good people calling for him to be strung up or whatever else we'd all like to be done to him,we haven't got that option becasuse we are a so called civilized country and we don't do that any more.
So the only other alternative is to keep him locked away and make sure he doesn't get a chance to harm anyone else.
It doesn't change the meaning at all, UB made two points 1) that much that is rumoured today is garnered from the Sun, which may though most likely not have some truth in it, then 2) proceeded to post one such Sun"esque" rumour that lacks any foundation.Dubai Blue said:You've changed the order in which he said those two things though, which completely changes the meaning.bluemoonmatt said:and then include in their post completely unsubstantiated slurs like ...
Its one thing for BT to say "she looks a bit dodgy. Its rather tasteless UB to post that she was (alledgedly) committing a criminal act at the very time her son was taken. Poor form mate. Imo
In response to BT, he says he heard a similar rumour at the time, but then casts doubt on it by saying that much of what surrounds this case is absolute bullshit.
Those rumours WERE about at the time; I remember them myself. But as Unsworth says, it's probably just bullshit pub-based hearsay.
Well it does the way I read it. He was giving an example of how 99.9% of people's "knowledge" of the subject is built on bullshit from the pub or The Sun.bluemoonmatt said:It doesn't change the meaning at all
I said two separate things.Dubai Blue said:Well it does the way I read it. He was giving an example of how 99.9% of people's "knowledge" of the subject is built on bullshit from the pub or The Sun.bluemoonmatt said:It doesn't change the meaning at all
He was dismissing BT's opinion that she looks a bit dodgy by saying that the rumours he'd obviously heard were more than likely just bollocks.
The whole thing's completely irrelevant anyway.
Banned Tosspot said:I said two separate things.Dubai Blue said:Well it does the way I read it. He was giving an example of how 99.9% of people's "knowledge" of the subject is built on bullshit from the pub or The Sun.
He was dismissing BT's opinion that she looks a bit dodgy by saying that the rumours he'd obviously heard were more than likely just bollocks.
The whole thing's completely irrelevant anyway.
One was based on the fact that she has a face I can't warm to and the other was about how dodgy her family are/were. Never mentioned rumours she was robbing at the time and was more pointing out the 'dodginess' of her family.
Mainly in the same way that Shearer was a great player but a boring ****.
ITK's know shit as always.Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:Banned Tosspot said:I said two separate things.
One was based on the fact that she has a face I can't warm to and the other was about how dodgy her family are/were. Never mentioned rumours she was robbing at the time and was more pointing out the 'dodginess' of her family.
Mainly in the same way that Shearer was a great player but a boring ****.
Its amazing how ever many times you give the rope someone always hangs themselves.
i doth my cap................ though your talking bolloxs about her family, and i know that as a FACT (O:
Banned Tosspot said:ITK's know shit as always.Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:Its amazing how ever many times you give the rope someone always hangs themselves.
i doth my cap................ though your talking bolloxs about her family, and i know that as a FACT (O:
smudgedj said:Damocles said:Spoken like a man who has never served a day in his life, or even been near a prison recently.
A friend works as part of a youth offenders team, looking after kids who have been banged up, or are about to be banged up. He told me a story today of a young lad who has just gone into prison. His dad was a smackhead, and used to batter him if he didn't bring money home for him to spend on his dope. Due to this, the lad started stealing and doing burglaries, eventually getting caught and getting sent down.
The lad went inside and made friends with his cell mate. What he didn't know, is that his cell mate was in for racially motivated crimes, so he basically got labelled a Nazi, and got the shit kicked out of him.
He had to go to hospital wing recently, because one of his tormentors put sugar in boiling water and threw it at his face, which pretty much melted it. Of course, while the lad was on the hospital wing, somebody's cell got raided for drugs, so the wing presumed he was a grass because he was out of his cell for a long time.
When he got back to his cell, a bunch of guys battered him within an inch of his life with whatever weapons they could find. He is now on suicide watch, because he is crying that he can't take any more of it and he is afraid that he might be killed, so he'd rather do it himself. In addition to this, my friend pointed at his name on a clipboard and said he wanted to speak to that lad specifically (in front of a few other lads waiting), when the screw said out loud "What? Joe Bloggs? I didn't know he was with your lot". Now these other guys may be on a separate wing, but they have no idea what my friend's "lot" is, so if word gets back, or another raid happens, the guys going to die. The screw was apologetic and put it down to an honest mistake, but the damage is done.
The kid will most likely kill himself over the next few days because he is scared of dying in there, and refuses to be labelled a grass and tell anybody who is leathering him. At his next birthday, he'll be 14.
Prison is still an ugly, ugly place, ask anybody who actually works in them and doesn't get their information via the Daily Mail.
Oh, and I know plenty of ex-cons and it IS the simple things that they miss - watching the footy, going for a pint, getting a chippy, that sort of stuff.
So if he survives do you think he would re-offend?
Big G said:Oh, and if anyone gets a text message saying the new name is David ******* from Fleetwood then ignore it,
They David mentioned did do a YOI stretch, but for fraud at 16/17 years of age.
Big G said:Oh, and if anyone gets a text message saying the new name is David ******* from Fleetwood then ignore it,
They David mentioned did do a YOI stretch, but for fraud at 16/17 years of age.