Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

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Bundesliga will wake up tomorrow after winter time with Wolfsburg vs. Bayern

Here the top average attendances of the first half of the season in german football

1. Borussia Dortmund 80,438
2. Bayern München 71,000
3. Schalke 04 61,470
4. Hertha BSC 52,603
5. Hamburger SV 51,548
6. Borussia Mönchengladbach 50,434
7. 1. FC Köln 48,736
8. VfB Stuttgart 47,288
9. Eintracht Frankfurt 47,222
10. Hannover 96 42,700

11. Werder Bremen 40,786
12. 1. FC Nürnberg 32,434 (Bundesliga 2)
13. 1. FC Kaiserslautern 32, 036 (Bundesliga 2)
14. Fortuna Düsseldorf 31, 617 (Bundesliga 2)
15. Mainz 05 30,065
16. FC Augsburg 29,495
17. Bayer Leverkusen 29,097
18. VfL Wolfsburg 27,700
19. RB Leipzig 26,348 (Bundesliga 2)
20. TSG Hoffenheim 26,013

21. FC St. Pauli 25, 701 (Bundesliga 2)
22. Dynamo Dresden 24, 013 (League 3)
23. SC Freiburg 23,769
24. Eintracht Braunschweig 21, 612 (Bundesliga 2)
25. 1860 München 19, 444 (Bundesliga 2)
26. Union Berlin 18, 688 (Bundesliga 2)
27. VfL Bochum 18, 127 (Bundesliga 2)
28. SC Paderborn 14,909
29. Karlsruher SC 14, 270 (Bundesliga 2)
30. SV Darmstadt 98 13, 350 (Bundesliga 2)

31. 1. FC Heidenheim 12, 030 (Bundesliga 2)
32. Arminia Bielefeld 11, 720 (League 3)
33. Greuther Fürth 11,665 (Bundesliga 2)
34. MSV Duisburg 11, 620 (League 3)
35. RW Essen 9,619 (Division 4)
36. Preußen Münster 9, 423 (League 3)
37. Hansa Rostock 9, 242 (League 3)
38. VfL Osnabrück 8, 439 (League 3)
39. Erzgebirge Aue 8, 433 (Bundesliga 2)
40. Ingolstadt 04 8, 244 (Bundesliga 2)

41. Energie Cottbus 8, 189 (League 3)
42. Alemannia Aachen 7,400 (Division 4)
43. VfR Aalen 7, 373 (Bundesliga 2)
44. Hallescher FC 7, 155 (League 3)
45. 1 FC Magdeburg 6.463 (Division 4)
46. RW Erfurt 6, 040 (League 3)
47. Kickers Offenbach 5.932 (Division 4)
48. FSV Frankfurt 5, 819 (Bundesliga 2)
49. Chemnitzer FC 5, 732 (League 3)
50. SV Sandhausen 5, 394 (Bundesliga 2)
 
VfL Wolfsburg 4-1 Bayern München att. 30,000 (sold out)

1:0 Dost
2:0 Dost
3:0 De Bruyne
3:1 Juan Bernat
4:1 De Bruyne

Bayern still in the winter break :-)
 
Always nice to see Bayern take a hiding. Some great goals from Wolfsburg, de Bruyne looked particularly impressive.
 
Ric said:
Always nice to see Bayern take a hiding. Some great goals from Wolfsburg, de Bruyne looked particularly impressive.
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I'd like us to look at de Bruyne in the summer, I think we would be improved as a squad with him in it.

Dortmund now bottom, despite a decent point at Leverkusen, and there are some quite poor sides above them, its no longer a blip them being down there, they are in serious relegation trouble, but 7 teams separated by 3 points.
 
cleavers said:
Ric said:
Always nice to see Bayern take a hiding. Some great goals from Wolfsburg, de Bruyne looked particularly impressive.
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I'd like us to look at de Bruyne in the summer, I think we would be improved as a squad with him in it.

Dortmund now bottom, despite a decent point at Leverkusen, and there are some quite poor sides above them, its no longer a blip them being down there, they are in serious relegation trouble, but 7 teams separated by 3 points.
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Dortmund broke the record with the lowest passing quote recorded since 2004/05 (when they started recording it) with a 43% passing quote.
132 good passes, 152 failed ones...
 
Maldeika said:
cleavers said:
Ric said:
Always nice to see Bayern take a hiding. Some great goals from Wolfsburg, de Bruyne looked particularly impressive.
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I'd like us to look at de Bruyne in the summer, I think we would be improved as a squad with him in it.

Dortmund now bottom, despite a decent point at Leverkusen, and there are some quite poor sides above them, its no longer a blip them being down there, they are in serious relegation trouble, but 7 teams separated by 3 points.
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Dortmund broke the record with the lowest passing quote recorded since 2004/05 (when they started recording it) with a 43% passing quote.
132 good passes, 152 failed ones...
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Dortmund were just so bad. Ginter should have stayed at least four more seasons at Freiburg, a bad buy from Dortmund, but maybe even worse for his career.

Mkhitaryan, Kagawa, Aubameyang, Immobile, Ramos, Ginter and Sahin. That's the best part of 80 million and not one of them is good enough. At the same time they have left the likes of De Bruyne, Erikson. Throw in the 25 millin they should have had from Lewandowski and that's close to 100 million to spend in 2 years and it has all been wasted. Need to get rid of all them.

Disaster of a season.

Guardiola played his typical tactics and Wolfsburg were extremely focused after the respects paid to Malanda. Sad to see that just a year ago Bayern regularly fielded a team where everyone was world class and apart from Dante had a shout at being the best in the world. No stand out team in the CL, but would be surprised if Bayern get to the semis unless they get an easy draw.
 
supercrystal7 said:
Maldeika said:
bitsmith said:
It's shocking to see such Dortmund demise this season.
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It does not come that surprising - only the extent of it does.
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Why do you say that? History?
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Feeling. Wishes. But with a lot of signs. The league has changed - but Klopp has not adapted his system to it - has not looked for other types of players on the transfer market etc. When you play badly until you receive a successful set-piece and only then you start to perform as the opponent opens up to hunt for a better result that is telling.

If the match against Wolfsburg should be an indication for Bayern not coming far in the CL this season I do not know what the match against Fürth in the treble season (that we luckily won but the match was terrible) or the 1:3 loss against Gladbach the season before was... Last season Bayern got caught in the last test match 0:3 against Salzburg and we can be lucky with that result as Salzburg was more than this 3 goals better. It is always like a wake up call after the training camp - but maybe it has to do with the fitness curve, too, as Bayern tries to have the best fitness values not in February but in April/May. Things just do not always go smoothly and you have to work hard for your success. In all of the named seasons we reached atleast the semi final...

I guess a spanking after every great trainings camp is something that Bayern badly needs...
6 weeks in which the world tells you how great you are, in which everybody just asks when you get champion and if the league is boring, in full harmony... - it is not bad if something gets you back on the ground that tells you that even you have to work hard for every win...
 
Maldeika said:
Feeling. Wishes. But with a lot of signs. The league has changed - but Klopp has not adapted his system to it - has not looked for other types of players on the transfer market etc. When you play badly until you receive a successful set-piece and only then you start to perform as the opponent opens up to hunt for a better result that is telling.
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True Klopp's desire to buy players that only press and can run has caused the problems. There is a lack of technique. I am not sure it's a good thing in the long run that so many German clubs have copied the Dortmund model. Last season they had a lot of injuries though.
If the match against Wolfsburg should be an indication for Bayern not coming far in the CL this season I do not know what the match against Fürth in the treble season (that we luckily won but the match was terrible) or the 1:3 loss against Gladbach the season before was... Last season Bayern got caught in the last test match 0:3 against Salzburg and we can be lucky with that result as Salzburg was more than this 3 goals better. It is always like a wake up call after the training camp - but maybe it has to do with the fitness curve, too, as Bayern tries to have the best fitness values not in February but in April/May. Things just do not always go smoothly and you have to work hard for your success. In all of the named seasons we reached atleast the semi final...

I guess a spanking after every great trainings camp is something that Bayern badly needs...
6 weeks in which the world tells you how great you are, in which everybody just asks when you get champion and if the league is boring, in full harmony... - it is not bad if something gets you back on the ground that tells you that even you have to work hard for every win...
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It's not about one bad result. It's about problems in your tactics, which even when you win are exposed.

The High Line is always going to be exposed against good teams with speed.
Alonso is not the player he used to be and if harassed he will be caught on the ball. This was evident last year for Madrid and for Spain at the world cup.
Your full backs are not good enough to defend one one one against skillful wingers.
New players like Gotze/Lewandowski are struggling to fit into Guardiola's tactics and not playing at their full potential.

Don't get me wrong you are still a great team, but not the monster of the last few seasons. Last season when you were a lot better you still only beat United and Arsenal. I think it will be interesting if you have to play any of Madrid/Chelsea/Barca/City/Atletico.
 
cleavers said:
Ric said:
Always nice to see Bayern take a hiding. Some great goals from Wolfsburg, de Bruyne looked particularly impressive.
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I'd like us to look at de Bruyne in the summer, I think we would be improved as a squad with him in it.

Dortmund now bottom, despite a decent point at Leverkusen, and there are some quite poor sides above them, its no longer a blip them being down there, they are in serious relegation trouble, but 7 teams separated by 3 points.
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Not sure whether Du Bruyne would have much of an impact at City unless he was bought specifically to replace Nasri. I saw him play for Werder Bremen a couple times in 2013 and he struck me as one of those players who drifts in and out of games and doesn’t really impose himself

The really strange one is Antony Modeste who was an unused sub when Blackburn lost 3-0 at the ETIHAD in 2012, but is now averaging a goal every two games at Hoffenheim.
 
Strange to see Dortmund struggling watched them play arsenal in the champions league earlier in the season and they were the much better side , it was 2-0 but could have been more.
 
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