Bad refereeing decisions didn't turn the game
Tell that to a west ham fan
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Tell that to a west ham fan
meltonblue
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"We have certainly been on the end of some bad decisions but I don't believe for one minute that we are victim of any corruption domestically. To say otherwise is absurd. I genuinely believe over the season we will get the benefit of decisions too.
I do believe though that the media and to have an agenda against us."
My thoughts too.
In terms of the ref yesterday, I completely get the point of view that it was a very inconsistent performance. The Bravo one though, there's part of me that thinks Guardiola, given his obsessive nature of analysing teams and styles, should know that physical challenges in the box are more likely to be allowed in the PL compared to in Europe and so that should be taken into acccount when weighing up the qualities of the keeper.
I do think it was a foul still, but not a blatantly wrong decision, I get how it could have interpreted as ok by some.
I do believe though that the media and to have an agenda against us."
My thoughts too.
In terms of the ref yesterday, I completely get the point of view that it was a very inconsistent performance. The Bravo one though, there's part of me that thinks Guardiola, given his obsessive nature of analysing teams and styles, should know that physical challenges in the box are more likely to be allowed in the PL compared to in Europe and so that should be taken into acccount when weighing up the qualities of the keeper.
I do think it was a foul still, but not a blatantly wrong decision, I get how it could have interpreted as ok by some.
Barcon
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Will there be any retrospective action taken as in Sergios case?
It was hardly violent behavior was it?
BluessinceHydeRoad
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For the first time in well over ten years I had to listen to the game on the OS radio feed and the match day centre. Jack Dearden was horrified and astonished at Mason's performance: The Goat was much calmer but no less incredulous. The Goat felt that Ferna's tackle could be seen as a red card IF YOU WANTED TO SEE IT THAT WAY. At other times Mason chose not to apply the full rigour of the regulations and at other times not to apply the regulations at all. Pep gave his press conference and was roundly condemned for what he said, and a rabble of pious, self-righteous pundits jumped in to preach on the text of not having the right to expect the decisions to go your way all the time. Martin Keown put on his best Old Testament beard and harangued us all in the Daily Mail.
The trouble is, Martin, that if your name is Rojo you DO get the decisions all the time. You do worse than Ferna's lunge and get away with it. There's no possibility of retrospective action either. If you are "Zlats" you can elbow people in the face, even knock teeth out and never face action. A kick in the head is "nothing worth looking into." If things are getting a bit dodgy your players will never be offside. I believed from 2012 that City had to be 10 points better than United to finish ahead of them and it's getting worse.
I have never believed that there is anything that should make a coach a paedophile but I see clearly that paedophiles may find coaching young boys and girls attractive. We see now the damage done by the craven attitude of the FA. Similarly there is nothing which should make referees favour United but I can see that United fan's would want to be referees. We have a generation of referees who grew up when United ruled the roost. And a generation of pundits brought up on United, media studies and WWE, and now they can't tell one from the other. This has been made worse by the undue influence United have always exerted at the higher levels of the FA, which has now spread to UEFA. Platini handed FFP over to United! City were stitched up over FFP, that failed and now we're being stitched up by the refs. And not just us: yesterday Klopp was complaining. His complaints were easy to dismiss as paranoia but what he said was familiar- no wildly inaccurate decisions but a large number of them to keep Liverpool on the back foot. I have always found Klopp a very astute, good humoured and,above all, fair manager. We all know that particular referee. Liverpool dropped 2 points: West Ham had Fengouli sent off for a lunge by Phil "the face " Jones and United were given a goal to make the game safe when any of three players, including the scorer, were clearly offside! "No team ever gets all the decisions all the time, Pep."
The FA's response to this shows all the contemptuous arrogance of UEFA and FIFA. "We do as we please. Put up with it. We see the PL as the best in the world and we protect its 'biggest' club. We are accountable to no-one." This is the state of English football. Welcome to the PL, Pep.
The trouble is, Martin, that if your name is Rojo you DO get the decisions all the time. You do worse than Ferna's lunge and get away with it. There's no possibility of retrospective action either. If you are "Zlats" you can elbow people in the face, even knock teeth out and never face action. A kick in the head is "nothing worth looking into." If things are getting a bit dodgy your players will never be offside. I believed from 2012 that City had to be 10 points better than United to finish ahead of them and it's getting worse.
I have never believed that there is anything that should make a coach a paedophile but I see clearly that paedophiles may find coaching young boys and girls attractive. We see now the damage done by the craven attitude of the FA. Similarly there is nothing which should make referees favour United but I can see that United fan's would want to be referees. We have a generation of referees who grew up when United ruled the roost. And a generation of pundits brought up on United, media studies and WWE, and now they can't tell one from the other. This has been made worse by the undue influence United have always exerted at the higher levels of the FA, which has now spread to UEFA. Platini handed FFP over to United! City were stitched up over FFP, that failed and now we're being stitched up by the refs. And not just us: yesterday Klopp was complaining. His complaints were easy to dismiss as paranoia but what he said was familiar- no wildly inaccurate decisions but a large number of them to keep Liverpool on the back foot. I have always found Klopp a very astute, good humoured and,above all, fair manager. We all know that particular referee. Liverpool dropped 2 points: West Ham had Fengouli sent off for a lunge by Phil "the face " Jones and United were given a goal to make the game safe when any of three players, including the scorer, were clearly offside! "No team ever gets all the decisions all the time, Pep."
The FA's response to this shows all the contemptuous arrogance of UEFA and FIFA. "We do as we please. Put up with it. We see the PL as the best in the world and we protect its 'biggest' club. We are accountable to no-one." This is the state of English football. Welcome to the PL, Pep.
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Is it possible to have a day without Rojo getting a mention? Must be the most used word on here currently.
Excellent post mate...totally concurFor the first time in well over ten years I had to listen to the game on the OS radio feed and the match day centre. Jack Dearden was horrified and astonished at Mason's performance: The Goat was much calmer but no less incredulous. The Goat felt that Ferna's tackle could be seen as a red card IF YOU WANTED TO SEE IT THAT WAY. At other times Mason chose not to apply the full rigour of the regulations and at other times not to apply the regulations at all. Pep gave his press conference and was roundly condemned for what he said, and a rabble of pious, self-righteous pundits jumped in to preach on the text of not having the right to expect the decisions to go your way all the time. Martin Keown put on his best Old Testament beard and harangued us all in the Daily Mail.
The trouble is, Martin, that if your name is Rojo you DO get the decisions all the time. You do worse than Ferna's lunge and get away with it. There's no possibility of retrospective action either. If you are "Zlats" you can elbow people in the face, even knock teeth out and never face action. A kick in the head is "nothing worth looking into." If things are getting a bit dodgy your players will never be offside. I believed from 2012 that City had to be 10 points better than United to finish ahead of them and it's getting worse.
I have never believed that there is anything that should make a coach a paedophile but I see clearly that paedophiles may find coaching young boys and girls attractive. We see now the damage done by the craven attitude of the FA. Similarly there is nothing which should make referees favour United but I can see that United fan's would want to be referees. We have a generation of referees who grew up when United ruled the roost. And a generation of pundits brought up on United, media studies and WWE, and now they can't tell one from the other. This has been made worse by the undue influence United have always exerted at the higher levels of the FA, which has now spread to UEFA. Platini handed FFP over to United! City were stitched up over FFP, that failed and now we're being stitched up by the refs. And not just us: yesterday Klopp was complaining. His complaints were easy to dismiss as paranoia but what he said was familiar- no wildly inaccurate decisions but a large number of them to keep Liverpool on the back foot. I have always found Klopp a very astute, good humoured and,above all, fair manager. We all know that particular referee. Liverpool dropped 2 points: West Ham had Fengouli sent off for a lunge by Phil "the face " Jones and United were given a goal to make the game safe when any of three players, including the scorer, were clearly offside! "No team ever gets all the decisions all the time, Pep."
The FA's response to this shows all the contemptuous arrogance of UEFA and FIFA. "We do as we please. Put up with it. We see the PL as the best in the world and we protect its 'biggest' club. We are accountable to no-one." This is the state of English football. Welcome to the PL, Pep.
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Why did you have to mention that rag cnut...Is it possible to have a day without Rojo getting a mention? Must be the most used word on here currently.
;-)
Nor have they governed our season.
The decisions made in the Chelsea game had a direct affect on us and gave Chelsea the continued momentum they are currently enjoying. The current narrative in the media would be wholly different and the pressure on Pep and the team would be significantly less if we had won that game.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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"We have certainly been on the end of some bad decisions but I don't believe for one minute that we are victim of any corruption domestically. To say otherwise is absurd. I genuinely believe over the season we will get the benefit of decisions too.
I do believe though that the media and to have an agenda against us."
My thoughts too.
In terms of the ref yesterday, I completely get the point of view that it was a very inconsistent performance. The Bravo one though, there's part of me that thinks Guardiola, given his obsessive nature of analysing teams and styles, should know that physical challenges in the box are more likely to be allowed in the PL compared to in Europe and so that should be taken into acccount when weighing up the qualities of the keeper.
I do think it was a foul still, but not a blatantly wrong decision, I get how it could have interpreted as ok by some.
But again, not consistently. The challenges on goalkeepers, like fouls awarded for 'backing in' to a defender never seem to be evenly awarded. Dzeko always seemed to be penalised for any aspect of contact, and I can't remember when we last got a hoofball where our CB was 'rewarded' with a free kick. And now the 6ft5in geriatric has donned a scarlet vest then what was once, as Guardiola pointed out yesterday, protection for goalkeepers in the six-yard box, will have been filed away for another season.
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You won't agree but, if you put the Luiz incident in front of impartial judges, it would probably come out 50/50 yellow or red. No way was it a stonewaller except in City eyes. Fern was rightly sent off. Fabregas should have seen red but it didn't affect the result.The decisions made in the Chelsea game had a direct affect on us and gave Chelsea the continued momentum they are currently enjoying. The current narrative in the media would be wholly different and the pressure on Pep and the team would be significantly less if we had won that game.