Cameron The Liar - lets his mask slip again

[TCIB]

So, your theory is that faith decreases as education increases? And to support this you state:

' Although 80% of Americans are religious against 18% of American scientists.'

It doesn't really explain how 80% of Americans (who are comparatively well educated)are religious, does it? As for 18% of Americans being scientists, assuming that's true, I don't see the relevance frankly which is why I rightly called it a non sequitur. You sound like someone who has just read a bluffers guide to rhetoric but failed to read one on logic. You clearly cannot discriminate between correlation and causation.

Good for you again banging on about how steadfast you are in your own beliefs regardless of how unpopular they might be. All irrelevant stuff. None of this is about popularity or unpopularity. It's about having decency in being able to tolerate your fellow man regardless of their views.

My point in showing tolerance to those who have beliefs you don't share is that it's a mark of decency and being civilised. Christian values of respect, compassion and tolerance. The fact that there are those who commit atrocities in the name of faith doesn't change the basic values taught by Christ. By all means condemn the sinner but not the lesson.

As I have said, Christianity has no monopoly on those values. In fact I'd rather side with Islam or Hinduism ahead of Christianity on that.

And where have I ever said I don't "tolerate" someone if they are religious? That's your strawman you fucking idiot.

-- Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:06 pm --

As compared to whom? I trust you can't be suggesting that somehow our state educational standards are any better?

Oh yes, very well educated:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/12/30/one-third-americans-dont-believe-in-evolution/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/12/ ... evolution/</a>

-- Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:07 pm --

Thank heavens for Gove and academies trying to apply discipline and more rigorous teaching to improve standards.

Ah I finally get it. You are just a **** on the WUM. No one could actually believe that bullshit (you right wing nut job)

-- Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:09 pm --

Quite right!

On a serious note and to end this debate, my argument can be summed up as

1. Intolerance of people who have faith shows a lack of human compassion and is morally repugnant.
2. I see no reason why science should be in conflict with religion and at least 18% of American scientists would agree with me.

1. I find you a complete twunt
2. 82% would disagree

My you are a very rude man.
Do you have anger management issues?
I suspect you score highly on Hare's list.

I would say you didn't defend one single point he just rebuked you on.
You can ignore the rubbish but reply to salient points without biting or typing rhetorical gibberish bud.

 

[Rascal]

Thank heavens for Gove and academies trying to apply discipline and more rigorous teaching to improve standards.

That is quite possibly one of the most ill informed and offensive posts I've ever seen on here.

You might disagree with my political views but offensive? Ill informed? Perleese........you should get out more.

Just wondering like

but where you the Arsenal fan Gillespie who was on red caf?

 

[Gillespie]

My you are a very rude man.
Do you have anger management issues?
I suspect you score highly on Hare's list.

you've used that twice in this thread, at the same person.

I think you need another insult to compliment PCL-R

I know....not sure he read it first time.

As for PCL-R.......what does that stand for? And did you mean compliment or complement? Please clarify. Thanks!<br /><br />-- Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:32 pm --<br /><br />

That is quite possibly one of the most ill informed and offensive posts I've ever seen on here.

You might disagree with my political views but offensive? Ill informed? Perleese........you should get out more.

Just wondering like

but where you the Arsenal fan Gillespie who was on red caf?

Yes

 

[malg]

Thank heavens for Gove and academies trying to apply discipline and more rigorous teaching to improve standards.

That is quite possibly one of the most ill informed and offensive posts I've ever seen on here.

I take it you haven't visited the Madeline McCann thread?

Or the Liverpool thread after they beat us (Hillsborough comments)?

 

[Rascal]

@gillespie

Did you get banned then?

Im Golden Blunder on there

 

[stony]

Thank heavens for Gove and academies trying to apply discipline and more rigorous teaching to improve standards.

That is quite possibly one of the most ill informed and offensive posts I've ever seen on here.

You might disagree with my political views but offensive? Ill informed? Perleese........you should get out more.

Offensive to every single hard working teacher whose work Gove is doing his damnedest to sabotage. The man is a fucking cretin, he doesn't have the faintest idea about education and anyone who agrees with what he is doing is a complete fucking moron.

As for getting out more. If it means I bump into smug overbearing pricks like you, who display all the warmth and charm of an anal wart, then I think I'll stay in thank you.

 

[Gillespie]

As I have said, Christianity has no monopoly on those values. In fact I'd rather side with Islam or Hinduism ahead of Christianity on that.

And where have I ever said I don't "tolerate" someone if they are religious? That's your strawman you fucking idiot.

-- Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:06 pm --



Oh yes, very well educated:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/12/30/one-third-americans-dont-believe-in-evolution/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/12/ ... evolution/</a>

-- Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:07 pm --


Ah I finally get it. You are just a **** on the WUM. No one could actually believe that bullshit (you right wing nut job)

-- Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:09 pm --


1. I find you a complete twunt
2. 82% would disagree

My you are a very rude man.
Do you have anger management issues?
I suspect you score highly on Hare's list.

I would say you didn't defend one single point he just rebuked you on.
You can ignore the rubbish but reply to salient points without biting or typing rhetorical gibberish bud.

Most if not all of my posts in this thread have been directed at the same lame points he makes over and over again. In a recent post I drew an end to it concluding with my views concisely made. I don't feel inclined to continue engaging with him. Pointless because he's an idiot.

As for you, late into this thread ignoring or ignorant of what went before you are hardly in a position to patronise,bud.

 

[117 M34]

Thank heavens for Gove and academies trying to apply discipline and more rigorous teaching to improve standards.

That is quite possibly one of the most ill informed and offensive posts I've ever seen on here.

You might disagree with my political views but offensive? Ill informed? Perleese........you should get out more.

Go on then, tell us how academies will help to improve education...

(I know you won't be able to btw)

 

[Gillespie]

That is quite possibly one of the most ill informed and offensive posts I've ever seen on here.

You might disagree with my political views but offensive? Ill informed? Perleese........you should get out more.

Offensive to every single hard working teacher whose work Gove is doing his damnedest to sabotage. The man is a fucking cretin, he doesn't have the faintest idea about education and anyone who agrees with what he is doing is a complete fucking moron.

As for getting out more. If it means I bump into smug overbearing pricks like you, who display all the warmth and charm of an anal wart, then I think I'll stay in thank you.

I believe Gove is doing a fantastic job but debate on that is probably best left to its own thread. Suffice to say I disagree with your opinions as expressed in the first paragraph.

As for your second paragraph, well, that's another opinion I'm hardly likely to share.<br /><br />-- Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:45 pm --<br /><br />

That is quite possibly one of the most ill informed and offensive posts I've ever seen on here.

You might disagree with my political views but offensive? Ill informed? Perleese........you should get out more.

Go on then, tell us how academies will help to improve education...

(I know you won't be able to btw)

As I've just said, best left to a thread of its own. I'll happily contribute my views as to why I believe Gove is doing a great job should you create it.

 

[hilts]

That is quite possibly one of the most ill informed and offensive posts I've ever seen on here.

You might disagree with my political views but offensive? Ill informed? Perleese........you should get out more.

Offensive to every single hard working teacher whose work Gove is doing his damnedest to sabotage. The man is a fucking cretin, he doesn't have the faintest idea about education and anyone who agrees with what he is doing is a complete fucking moron.

As for getting out more. If it means I bump into smug overbearing pricks like you, who display all the warmth and charm of an anal wart, then I think I'll stay in thank you.

Teachers have always complained about change though they have a long history of it, and the problem with this is that eventually people just think they are self serving moaners, boy crying wolf and all that. Gove may well be a useless prick and the teachers may be right unfortunately their views have become less meaningful.

If teachers or labour complain about education reform my first instinct is self interest on their behalf