Candace Owens

[Banned Tosspot]

He was hardly a Saint.

I was shocked about certain things he did.

 

[happyman]

I quite like Candice, she's much better than the idiot with the big teeth and the money tree that doesn't belong to her.

 

[urban genie]

Don't know her other political opinions or anything about her but to me I can't imagine she's defending Hitler's policies in Germany although I can see how people might insinuate that. I'm sure if she was asked directly, 'what did you think of Hitler's policies against German jews and minorities?', you would get a better answer. Also she's right about nationalism being poisoned by its association with Hitler, like socialism is, and like atheism sometimes is. None of those ideas and beliefs (or lack of) prescribe mass murder.

She is a right wing spokesperson and director or briebart linked group Turning Point.
A massive supporter of trump and his policies.

I too think she is just lacks knowledge and understanding on many aspects she comments on and has admitred she had no interest in politics before 4 years ago and flirted between being a liberal before being enticed by trumps mantra.

She completely missunderstand the concept of nationalism in europe in the 19th and early 20th century, which in itself had led to 2 world wars.

Nationalism and expansionism go hand in hand and it is naive to think a nationalist policy doesn't affect the global world.


She has put out a response to the critism

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

She is part of the leadership of Turning Point USA and Turning Point UK... both funded by Trump backers



She knew exactly what she was saying

 

[Fame Monster]

She is a right wing spokesperson and director or briebart linked group Turning Point.
A massive supporter of trump and his policies.

I too think she is just lacks knowledge and understanding on many aspects she comments on and has admitred she had no interest in politics before 4 years ago and flirted between being a liberal before being enticed by trumps mantra.

She completely missunderstand the concept of nationalism in europe in the 19th and early 20th century, which in itself had led to 2 world wars.

Nationalism and expansionism go hand in hand and it is naive to think a nationalist policy doesn't affect the global world.


She has put out a response to the critism

I disagree. I cba watching the second video so don't know what else she's said but I think there will plenty more examples of nationalist governments that have existed throughout history that were non-expansionist than expansionist so I disagree that they go hand-in-hand. They are just not as well known because, without being involved in war, historians rarely remember them. You could argue the relative 'neutrality' of a nationalist government in Spain during WWII is an example of this although I think a less disputed example is the extremely nationalist Tokugawa period in Japan that loathed expansionism because of their idea of nationalism thus resulting in one of the most successful and peaceful periods in history. There are also plenty of leaders whose politics could be described as internationalist that have caused expansionist wars. You could even say that expansionism and imperialism is, by definition, the opposite of nationalism although I think the narrower point she was making is that it's lazy to say that a bad thing done by someone who believes in nationalism (sometimes atheism/socialism) means that the belief/ideal itself is bad.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I disagree. I cba watching the second video so don't know what else she's said but I think there will plenty more examples of nationalist governments that have existed throughout history that were non-expansionist than expansionist so I disagree that they go hand-in-hand. They are just not as well known because, without being involved in war, historians rarely remember them. You could argue the relative 'neutrality' of a nationalist government in Spain during WWII is an example of this although I think a less disputed example is the extremely nationalist Tokugawa period in Japan that loathed expansionism because of their idea of nationalism thus resulting in one of the most successful and peaceful periods in history. There are also plenty of leaders whose politics could be described as internationalist that have caused expansionist wars. You could even say that expansionism and imperialism is, by definition, the opposite of nationalism although I think the narrower point she was making is that it's lazy to say that a bad thing done by someone who believes in nationalism (sometimes atheism/socialism) means that the belief/ideal itself is bad.

I agree that nationalism doesn't necessarily mean expansionist. The problem with nationalism, like most isms, is that it's so broad that it's difficult to pin it down. There's a massive difference between nationalism in a country that wants independence, for example, and white nationalism, that wants a single-race country with no divergence from a single culture. But I'd say nationalism often contributes to conflict because in a territorial dispute (and which country doesn't have at least one), a nationalist viewpoint is never going to be the one to resolve the dispute, because it basically teaches people to put their own country first. It's no coincidence that when you see a protest in Japan or Korea about some islands that both claim, it's the nationalists out protesting, and they're the reason why it can't be resolved amicably, because it would be political suicide for anyone on either side that gave an inch.

The current wave of nationalism in America is understandable, when people feel that globalism is working well for big companies, but they're losing all of their jobs and wealth. But obviously it's a movement that appeals to people with other ideologies, like opposition to immigration, or opposition to diversity within America (be it racial, cultural, or linguistic). Nationalism within a country includes a desire to tie everyone together with a single culture or identity, and while this can be a positive thing (most countries have forced a language on their population at some point), it can also easily lead to abuses, where certain citizens are not considered 'British enough' and in extreme circumstances, you can end up with a situation like in China where they are basically going around trying to eliminate any diversity of thought by sending Muslim minorities to reeducation camps. And obviously the most extreme version of that is the Nazis, where there was a clear ideal of what a German should be like and anyone who diverged from this was removed from society. This was arguably one of the key flaws in the creation of Israel. If you're going to create a country based around a particular race or religion, then you inevitably encourage discrimination against people who don't fit into that idea. And yet I think most countries have a concept that the local culture (as ambiguous as it might be) should take precedence to some extent, so I'd argue that everyone is a little bit nationalist.

 

[Le Havre Oswald]

He was hardly a Saint.

I was shocked about certain things he did.

ye I know it's just that every quote u hear seems to have, - mahatma gandhi next to it

 

[Bigga]

She is dense.

She's one of those people that likes to think that if they can string words together well, they're 'intelligent'.

She does this all the time with conflating issues and thinks she's right.

She's a tool.

She'll get torn a new one back in the States.

Speaking of which, after her pointless appearance in last week's committee hearing...

 

[Ancient Citizen]

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

That woman stood like a kid outside the headmasters office is a politician? She looks like i did when i was waiting for my mum to get called in so her and the headmaster could take turns bollocking me for whatever i had done.

She is young it seems so she has time to learn but really needs to learn to hold herself better. Then again if the feelings for her in this chat are widespread we probably won't know her name this time next year.... ladies and gentlemen, your new president, this lass!

I don't think the bollockings worked, TCIB!