Maintainin
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Can't see him clawin out of this one...
Rascal said:talkativesprout said:dazdon said:This thread has got nothing to do with the EDL.
This thread is about getting rid of dangerous extremists out of this country to face justice.
BTW..They do actually kill Christians in Pakistan.
But fair play to you for trivialising it.
Just executing their rights under sharia law as they have a right to do.
You show your ignorance of what Sharia law is.
Sharia law is intended to be only applicable to Muslims. Christians and other non-Muslims are exempt from the provisions of the law.
I have not read anything about Sharia law that interprets it as that christians should be killed.
talkativesprout said:Rascal said:talkativesprout said:Just executing their rights under sharia law as they have a right to do.
You show your ignorance of what Sharia law is.
Sharia law is intended to be only applicable to Muslims. Christians and other non-Muslims are exempt from the provisions of the law.
I have not read anything about Sharia law that interprets it as that christians should be killed.
right mate.
Maliki School, jurist Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani (d. 996):
“Jihad is a precept of Divine institution. Its performance by certain individuals may dispense others from it. We Malikis maintain that it is preferable not to begin hostilities with the enemy before having invited the latter to embrace the religion of Allah except where the enemy attacks first. They have the alternative of either converting to Islam or paying the poll tax (jizya), short of which war will be declared against them.”
Hanbali School, jurist Ibn Taymiyya (d. 1328), popular with modern terrorists:
“Since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God’s entirely and God’s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought. As for those who cannot offer resistance or cannot fight, such as women, children, monks, old people, the blind, handicapped and their likes, they shall not be killed unless they actually fight with words (e.g. by propaganda) and acts (e.g. by spying or otherwise assisting in the warfare).”
Hanafi School, Hedaya, classic manual of Hanafi laws, 12th century:
“It is not lawful to make war upon any people who have never before been called to the faith, without previously requiring them to embrace it, because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith, and also because the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war… If the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax, it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do.”
They must be talking about one of them wars where nobody gets hurt.
Rascal said:We cannot and must not just punish a person because they are foreign to our nations norms. That my friend is fascism.
dazdon said:Rascal said:We cannot and must not just punish a person because they are foreign to our nations norms. That my friend is fascism.
Punishing extremists spouting hate isn't fascism.
And if you think those Muslims in the picture are moderate or are in any way kind to Christians then you're deluded.
I'm not a fascist because I want the minority of Muslims who are dangerous deported if we can deport them to a country of origin.
If this is their country then the option is to jail them if they incite racial/religious hatred by their actions.
By labeling that approach as fascism you're cheapening your stance.