Captain Kompany

He is letting players to run to the space behind him so much you could call it regularly these days. He just completely loses the player he should cover. Happened against Liverpool and tonight multiple times.

Won't talk about leadership stuff, I think he devoted and gives his all in the manner of captain but he is just not enough consistently good as you would expect from player who is considered as one of the best world defenders.

MDM is more talented defender by a mile, he just doesn't have his legs, pace and overall strength.
 
MSP said:
He is letting players to run to the space behind him so much you could call it regularly these days. He just completely loses the player he should cover. Happened against Liverpool and tonight multiple times.

Won't talk about leadership stuff, I think he devoted and gives his all in the manner of captain but he is just not enough consistently good as you would expect from player who is considered as one of the best world defenders.

MDM is more talented defender by a mile, he just doesn't have his legs, pace and overall strength.

I have always wondered whether their is a correlation between IQ and football smarts.

An negative one that is.

Most say Kompany is quite intelligent , well read , good cognative skills etc , picks up languages easier than most , probably dux of his school and could have quite easily done a PHD in a number of disciplines quite successful.

Does he have the football smarts though that mirror other parts of his make up?

Suarez on the other hand I am sure is a klutz in every sense of the word but put him on a football field and notwithstanding the odd indiscretion when his animal instincts take over the guy is mighty clever and with that goes a never say die attitude.

What he lacks in brain power in all other parts of his life he has in heart , desire , cunning , etc on the pitch.

Reminds me of a player we used to have who is now at Juventus picking up another title at his third club in a round about way.

Not saying all dummies make winners on the field or visa versa but I reckon if you a bit of a klutz that can play the game its more likely you will be in the drivers seat when the pressure ramps up a gear.

You are likely to play on instinct , footballers with high IQS think too much about to too many things and hence their focus is not always on what is required on match days.

I bet John Terry , Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard don't have an IQ nearly as high as our captain either.

I am sure MDM is a smarter operator on he pitch than VK but again with a much lower IQ.
 
He has become complacent due to lack of competition. He also seems to be keeping an eye on the world cup.
I saw him get beat at set-plays twice in opening 12 mins last night....and as much as I admire KOmpany as a leader, he needs to up his game....although, are we sure he is 100% fit?
 
I've never really considered Vinnie to be a true 'natural leader', not in the true sense of the word as I see it, but he possesses many great qualities, a 'wingman' so to speak, and we need people like him in the side, yes, he's made a few errors, but when you consider how many times he's pulled us through, there's no comparison really.

If by 'move on' you are suggesting he leaves/we sell him, well, that's just ludicrous, can't think of a team who wouldn't want him, they'd snap our fuckin hands off.

At the end of the day, what we do know about Vinnie is that he's a top professional, he'll look at his game, look at what he needs to do, and will come back even stronger next season.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
He's just gone. His head has gone.

He is a loose cannon.

Looks amazing one week and the next he is hauling down Jelavic after 4 minutes. Or passing the ball to an unmarked Coutinho. Or scoring an OG against Fulham. Or ducking out of the way of Ronaldo's shot.

He talks a good game but I'm starting to think in terms of reading the game, he's not actually very good. If he was slower then he would be caught out all the time.

He is untouchable with a large portion of our fan base but he has been shocking this season. Against Hull we player better after he had gone off.

I think Demichellis likes to lead the defensive line and to be honest, Kompany fucks it up. Just look at where the rest of the defence was when Kompany played Messi on side. They were all in line with Demichellis.


^^^^ My thoughts exactly^^^ Demichellis has taken the rap for Vinnie's mistakes When Garcia dropped back after the sending off v Hull we looked much tighter as a defensive line Javi even praised MDM in his interview. We definitely lack a Viera type leader
 
I think it's our change in defensive tactics. he receives less protection this season with Yaya given the licence to go forward, therefore he's coming from his line to try to win the ball, where as under Mancini he had protection in front of him so that wasn't necessary. We are adopting this "Barca approach", they can be suspect defensively at times, but less so than us because they play 3 in midfield and dominate possession in every game. It's a learning curve and he's still our best defender in every aspect. He was having to keep covering for Zabaleta yesterday, who was caught out of position and gave the ball away a few times, but seems immune from criticism because of his commitment.
 
01cravend said:
I think it's our change in defensive tactics. he receives less protection this season with Yaya given the licence to go forward, therefore he's coming from his line to try to win the ball, where as under Mancini he had protection in front of him so that wasn't necessary. We are adopting this "Barca approach", they can be suspect defensively at times, but less so than us because they play 3 in midfield and dominate possession in every game. It's a learning curve and he's still our best defender in every aspect. He was having to keep covering for Zabaleta yesterday, who was caught out of position and gave the ball away a few times, but seems immune from criticism because of his commitment.
It's not his defending which is an issue. It's the will of the players to win which was missing tonight
 
Marvin said:
01cravend said:
I think it's our change in defensive tactics. he receives less protection this season with Yaya given the licence to go forward, therefore he's coming from his line to try to win the ball, where as under Mancini he had protection in front of him so that wasn't necessary. We are adopting this "Barca approach", they can be suspect defensively at times, but less so than us because they play 3 in midfield and dominate possession in every game. It's a learning curve and he's still our best defender in every aspect. He was having to keep covering for Zabaleta yesterday, who was caught out of position and gave the ball away a few times, but seems immune from criticism because of his commitment.
It's not his defending which is an issue. It's the will of the players to win which was missing tonight
Complacency was the issue. Kompanys passion and leadership shouldn't be questioned, only need to watch tunnel cam to see that. What the squad needs is more like him, and youth with an absolute unconditional passion and drive for the game.
 
I think we need a real bastard in the team, preferably in midfield who won't let anyone around him think they can coast games. Thta's not to knock Kompany in any way. I think he is a top class player and a top class man, hasn't had his best few days but then I could barely drag myself out of bed on Monday morning after the Liverpool result and I did actually wonder how Kompany would be able to face up to what had happened. He may earn pots of cash but he is a human, it would be odd if Sunday hadn't temporarily fucked him up. And if he is dealing with his own issues after Sunday then maybe some others needed to recognise that and step up and take a bit of responsibility rather than relying on Vinnie to get them going.
 
01cravend said:
Marvin said:
01cravend said:
I think it's our change in defensive tactics. he receives less protection this season with Yaya given the licence to go forward, therefore he's coming from his line to try to win the ball, where as under Mancini he had protection in front of him so that wasn't necessary. We are adopting this "Barca approach", they can be suspect defensively at times, but less so than us because they play 3 in midfield and dominate possession in every game. It's a learning curve and he's still our best defender in every aspect. He was having to keep covering for Zabaleta yesterday, who was caught out of position and gave the ball away a few times, but seems immune from criticism because of his commitment.
It's not his defending which is an issue. It's the will of the players to win which was missing tonight
Complacency was the issue. Kompanys passion and leadership shouldn't be questioned, only need to watch tunnel cam to see that. What the squad needs is more like him, and youth with an absolute unconditional passion and drive for the game.
I think the captains armband should be given to ZABBA full time as he is the only one who really seems to put in a shift
 

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