Car Parking Fines

kinkyblue

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If you ever get a fine from Smart Parking (they do Asda etc) use this phrase to appeal, I have just had 4 fines cancelled

Dear Sirs,


I, as registered keeper, wish to invoke your appeals process. The driver was a genuine customer and saw no signs. I note your notice to keeper is fundamentally flawed when compared to PoFA 2012 schedule 4 para 9 in several aspects .


Should you reject my appeal please supply a popla code.


Yours etc
 
I'll take this as a reminder as I keep getting threatening letters from debt collectors now, who have presumably bought these parking fines off Smart Parking or whoever.
I just ignore the letters.
 
agh don't ignore the letters anymore - that's what you used to do - go down kinks route or search online for tips for appealing to your particular fining company - not sure what to do now you have left it, you really dont want bailiffs or a ccj for this though
 
agh don't ignore the letters anymore - that's what you used to do - go down kinks route or search online for tips for appealing to your particular fining company - not sure what to do now you have left it, you really dont want bailiffs or a ccj for this though

Hmm... I just thought: let the bailiffs come down here, it's my legal right to defend myself and people on my street witnessed the bailiff assaulting me (first) so I legally defended myself ;)
 
I'll take this as a reminder as I keep getting threatening letters from debt collectors now, who have presumably bought these parking fines off Smart Parking or whoever.
I just ignore the letters.


They will end up taking you to court and will win!
 
Just had one from 'Excel Parking' from a 40 min stay in Stockport centre where TK Maxx etc is .... Was going to ignore it, but what is the score nowadays on these??
 
Ignore Ingore Ignore

under no circumstances follow this advice unless you want problems - this letter below is tried and tested for Portwood...

Dear {name of IPC member, only IPC members for this version!!!}

Re PCN number:

I am not ignoring your charge for a purported parking infraction. As this is purely a charge (not a statutory penalty) issued under a purported contract and the driver has not been identified, I require the following information so that I can make an informed decision:

1. Who is the party that contracted with your company for the provision of their services? I require their contact details.
2. What is the full legal identity of the landowner?
3. As you are not the landowner please provide a contemporaneous and unredacted copy of your contract with the landholder that demonstrate that you have their authority to both issue parking charges and litigate in your own name.
4. Is your charge based on damages for breach of contract? Answer yes or no.
5. If the charge is based on damages for breach of contract please provide your justification of this sum.
6. Is your charge based on a contractually agreed sum for the provision of parking? Answer yes or no.
7. If the charge is based on a contractually agreed sum for the provision of parking please provide a valid VAT invoice for this 'service'.
8. Please provide a copy of the signs that purportedly were on site which you contend formed a contract with the driver on that occasion.

If you believe you have a cause of action, send a Letter before Claim within the next 21 days and I will take advice and will respond.

In my opinion, there is a better alternative than legal proceedings, namely that we utilise the services of a completely independent ADR service suited to parking charges. This does not include the IAS appeal service - which lacks any transparency and possibly any independence from the IPC - unlike the alternative offered by the British Parking Association, POPLA, which is transparent and has been shown to be independent.

Do not send debt collector letters and do not add any costs or surcharges. I will not respond to those, so to involve another firm would be a failure to mitigate your alleged loss. In any case, the addition of any debt collector 'costs' is not my liability because the POFA 2012 can only potentially hold a registered keeper liable if certain provisions have been met and even then, the 'amount of the parking charge' is the only amount pursuable.

Yours faithfully,
 
under no circumstances follow this advice unless you want problems - this letter below is tried and tested for Portwood...

Dear {name of IPC member, only IPC members for this version!!!}

Re PCN number:

I am not ignoring your charge for a purported parking infraction. As this is purely a charge (not a statutory penalty) issued under a purported contract and the driver has not been identified, I require the following information so that I can make an informed decision:

1. Who is the party that contracted with your company for the provision of their services? I require their contact details.
2. What is the full legal identity of the landowner?
3. As you are not the landowner please provide a contemporaneous and unredacted copy of your contract with the landholder that demonstrate that you have their authority to both issue parking charges and litigate in your own name.
4. Is your charge based on damages for breach of contract? Answer yes or no.
5. If the charge is based on damages for breach of contract please provide your justification of this sum.
6. Is your charge based on a contractually agreed sum for the provision of parking? Answer yes or no.
7. If the charge is based on a contractually agreed sum for the provision of parking please provide a valid VAT invoice for this 'service'.
8. Please provide a copy of the signs that purportedly were on site which you contend formed a contract with the driver on that occasion.

If you believe you have a cause of action, send a Letter before Claim within the next 21 days and I will take advice and will respond.

In my opinion, there is a better alternative than legal proceedings, namely that we utilise the services of a completely independent ADR service suited to parking charges. This does not include the IAS appeal service - which lacks any transparency and possibly any independence from the IPC - unlike the alternative offered by the British Parking Association, POPLA, which is transparent and has been shown to be independent.

Do not send debt collector letters and do not add any costs or surcharges. I will not respond to those, so to involve another firm would be a failure to mitigate your alleged loss. In any case, the addition of any debt collector 'costs' is not my liability because the POFA 2012 can only potentially hold a registered keeper liable if certain provisions have been met and even then, the 'amount of the parking charge' is the only amount pursuable.

Yours faithfully,

What is the usual reaction from the parking bastards when they receive a letter such as this?
 

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