CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

I'm not a 100% sure how football financing works but won't lots of this outstanding debt be on variable rates and subject to increases in the variable interest rate?
If so surely some knees will be knocking at the thought of double digit inflation and the effect on that rate?
 
I'm not a 100% sure how football financing works but won't lots of this outstanding debt be on variable rates and subject to increases in the variable interest rate?
If so surely some knees will be knocking at the thought of double digit inflation and the effect on that rate?

This is the point about '"sustainable debt". A debt can be sustainable under one set of circumstances one day, such as (using a random example) if you happen to be guaranteed entry to the Champions League every year, but unsustainable the next, such as if you fail to qualify for the Champions League.
 
Exactly and variable interest rate accrued debt falls into that potential unsustainability.
For those of us who had mortgages in the eighties that were nicely affordable at around 8% (yes for you kids it was that high - we were told get as big a mortgage as you can afford) less than a year later it was 14.4% if my memory serves and most people were looking into the abyss. https://www.mortgagestrategy.co.uk/analysis/historical-interest-rates-uk/
For the less numerate amongst us that turns a 50K mortgage from £300+ a month to £600 a month. Just imagine the changes in repayments on 800 Million+.
Long term debt seems like a good thing in a stable low interest financial climate but I think it's clear we're entering a much more unstable time where the global economy is in a bit of turmoil.
 
Exactly and variable interest rate accrued debt falls into that potential unsustainability.
For those of us who had mortgages in the eighties that were nicely affordable at around 8% (yes for you kids it was that high - we were told get as big a mortgage as you can afford) less than a year later it was 14.4% if my memory serves and most people were looking into the abyss. https://www.mortgagestrategy.co.uk/analysis/historical-interest-rates-uk/
For the less numerate amongst us that turns a 50K mortgage from £300+ a month to £600 a month. Just imagine the changes in repayments on 800 Million+.
Long term debt seems like a good thing in a stable low interest financial climate but I think it's clear we're entering a much more unstable time where the global economy is in a bit of turmoil.
Hmmm … that brought back some less than happy memories! Borrowed 50k for our house in ‘92 and it was £584 a month repayments. We were fortunate to be second time around and in established jobs. How young ones coped I don’t know.
 
Exactly and variable interest rate accrued debt falls into that potential unsustainability.
For those of us who had mortgages in the eighties that were nicely affordable at around 8% (yes for you kids it was that high - we were told get as big a mortgage as you can afford) less than a year later it was 14.4% if my memory serves and most people were looking into the abyss. https://www.mortgagestrategy.co.uk/analysis/historical-interest-rates-uk/
For the less numerate amongst us that turns a 50K mortgage from £300+ a month to £600 a month. Just imagine the changes in repayments on 800 Million+.
Long term debt seems like a good thing in a stable low interest financial climate but I think it's clear we're entering a much more unstable time where the global economy is in a bit of turmoil.
Kinnell mine was running at 15/17%
 
This is the point about '"sustainable debt". A debt can be sustainable under one set of circumstances one day, such as (using a random example) if you happen to be guaranteed entry to the Champions League every year, but unsustainable the next, such as if you fail to qualify for the Champions League.
That was the problem Leeds had back in the day. I think that their budget depended on getting to the CL QF (if not the SF?) every year to cover their costs. They failed to qualify one year for the CL and their financial model couldn’t cope. This set of a chain of events that ended with a fire sale of players, relegation and insolvency.

Peter Risdale always gets the blame but he was simply doing what the Leeds board asked him to.
 
That was the problem Leeds had back in the day. I think that their budget depended on getting to the CL QF (if not the SF?) every year to cover their costs. They failed to qualify one year for the CL and their financial model couldn’t cope. This set of a chain of events that ended with a fire sale of players, relegation and insolvency.

Peter Risdale always gets the blame but he was simply doing what the Leeds board asked him to.
The chairman has to carry the can for such a dramatic failure.
Their budgeting was lunatic and wages were out of control. If Risdale disagreed with his board, he should have resigned but I suspect he was the driver of the mad policies. As he said:
“We lived the dream.”
 
This is the point about '"sustainable debt". A debt can be sustainable under one set of circumstances one day, such as (using a random example) if you happen to be guaranteed entry to the Champions League every year, but unsustainable the next, such as if you fail to qualify for the Champions League.
“Sustainable” includes no wild assumptions in the projected outturn. If your model is not realistic, it is wishful thinking, not a business plan.
 
Exactly and variable interest rate accrued debt falls into that potential unsustainability.
For those of us who had mortgages in the eighties that were nicely affordable at around 8% (yes for you kids it was that high - we were told get as big a mortgage as you can afford) less than a year later it was 14.4% if my memory serves and most people were looking into the abyss. https://www.mortgagestrategy.co.uk/analysis/historical-interest-rates-uk/
For the less numerate amongst us that turns a 50K mortgage from £300+ a month to £600 a month. Just imagine the changes in repayments on 800 Million+.
Long term debt seems like a good thing in a stable low interest financial climate but I think it's clear we're entering a much more unstable time where the global economy is in a bit of turmoil.
This illustrates the point of stress testing your plan. Test: what happens if inflation rises from 2% to 5%?, to 8%, to 10% etc.
Leeds’ plan could never have survived a stress test of income against on field outcomes.
 
You’d imagine the Mail, the Grauniad, the WhatsApp group and UEFA will be all over this story from February, with an enquiry and disciplinary proceedings to follow………..Not holding my breath as there seems to be no Arab angle, no City angle and it does involve one of the ’history boys’.

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Isnt it about time ffp was scrapped.

I dont understand how it can be wrong if I buy a business to invest in but get told I can only invest so much by other businesses that are in so much debt.

It cant be legal ?

It was never right in the first place and only reason it was brought in was to stop City. Did it stop the likes of Bolton and Bury going into administration? Did it stop Barcelona going into financial oblivion, no it didn’t. They will dream up something next to go after us with yet.
 
It was never right in the first place and only reason it was brought in was to stop City. Did it stop the likes of Bolton and Bury going into administration? Did it stop Barcelona going into financial oblivion, no it didn’t. They will dream up something next to go after us with yet.
The problem with FFP is that it’s focus is entirely on profits and losses and says nothing about debts or sustainability.

To move from the situation of a mid table team to a challenger for honours requires very large investment in the playing squad. This will always mean short term losses until the investment starts to bring results.

City were faced with this issue after the takeover. Newcastle will no doubt experience much the same. FFP as constituted is simply a means of preventing competition. For years the old big four in English football dominated by scooping up the Championd league places each year and using the cash generated to outspend anyone else.

FFP was there to stop other teams from challenging the big four. It also had the effect of protecting the other teams from competition from the Championship. In the 1960s through to the 1980s, teams such as Ipswich, City, and Forest were promoted and quickly won League titles. Not any more.

Teams being promoted often are faced with the choice of not spending a lot and sinking back down immediately (Norwich, Fulham, Watford) or else overspending to stay up and then sinking even further as a consequence (Bradford City, Hull, etc.).

The operation of FFP enables owners to take over clubs (effectively for nothing) by loading the purchase price on to debts. This happened at United and since then at Burnley and other teams.

Meanwhile, City have been vilified for using a sustainable business model and reinvesting profits back into the playing squad rather than paying the owners large sums.
 
Looks like Franco is after us again…
Launched a complaint to UEFA about PSG, Juventus and City, ‘ruining the ecosystem of football and not letting Spanish teams sign good players. I say Spanish teams, obviously I mean the La Liga presidents team, Real Madrid.

”When it comes to Manchester City, Tebas wants to know how the Premier League club could secure the transfer of Borussia Dortmund’s Erling Haaland since the entourage was asking for a hefty commission”.

https://psgtalk.com/2022/06/report-...les-complaints-against-psg-man-city-juventus/

https://football-italia.net/tebas-includes-juventus-and-man-city-in-complaint-sent-to-uefa/
 

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