Celtic Thread 2019/20

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Magicpole said:
It's all coming out with that fucking ****. He was behind a plan to get all four league's voided. All emerging and I bet you that leads back to Rangers door, putting the **** up to it. This civil.war you're having with everybody is going to end in even more humiliation for you. Your ace in the hole is a fucking plant. Doing the dirty for his beloved gers. Fucking loving how this is turning out. :).
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Really? Why would you love how it's turning out? You think the SPFL board is competent? You don't want a proper investigation to rule out foul play? You seem to be focusing on 1 (or 2 now) clubs. What about all the other clubs that feel aggrieved? What a strange way of looking at it.

Who cares if he wanted the league voided? I bet Man City would take the league being voided, I bet if you ask the likes of Villa, Spurs, Norwich, Watford etc they would take the league being voided as well. It's no 'greater crime' than wanting the leagues declared like you did. Clubs will always look after their own self interests.

When teams like Aberdeen support an investigation who hate Rangers as much as Celtic do, & pundits / ex players in the media such as Tom English, Charlie Nicholas, Kris Commons, Kenny Dalglish, none who are exactly Rangers lovers, to name a few support an investigation, then surely even a blind man can see its the right thing to do?
 
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GunnerGer said:
Really? Why would you love how it's turning out? You think the SPFL board is competent? You don't want a proper investigation to rule out foul play? You seem to be focusing on 1 (or 2 now) clubs. What about all the other clubs that feel aggrieved? What a strange way of looking at it.

Who cares if he wanted the league voided? I bet Man City would take the league being voided, I bet if you ask the likes of Villa, Spurs, Norwich, Watford etc they would take the league being voided as well. It's no 'greater crime' than wanting the leagues declared like you did. Clubs will always look after their own self interests.

When teams like Aberdeen support an investigation who hate Rangers as much as Celtic do, & pundits / ex players in the media such as Tom English, Charlie Nicholas, Kris Commons, Kenny Dalglish, none who are exactly Rangers lovers, to name a few support an investigation, then surely even a blind man can see its the right thing to do?
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Your man, resplendent in the brown brogue staunch stance photo has been caught trying to get the league's voided costing the club yes at before he joins Rangers £175k.

I don't give a fuck about how the investigation goes. If there has been wrong doing then hammer whoever is involved. If there is proof that staunch bear was working on behalf of Rangers then throw both out of the league. Rangers interest in the lower league's now comes into play. And their brown brogue rottweiler may have gave the game away.

Regardless of it all, the league can't be voided so their cunning plan is unravelling by the day.

I'm getting the popcorn in, and I don't even fucking like the stuff.
 
Magicpole said:
Your man, resplendent in the brown brogue staunch stance photo has been caught trying to get the league's voided costing the club yes at before he joins Rangers £175k.

I don't give a fuck about how the investigation goes. If there has been wrong doing then hammer whoever is involved. If there is proof that staunch bear was working on behalf of Rangers then throw both out of the league. Rangers interest in the lower league's now comes into play. And their brown brogue rottweiler may have gave the game away.

Regardless of it all, the league can't be voided so their cunning plan is unravelling by the day.

I'm getting the popcorn in, and I don't even fucking like the stuff.
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Like I've said lots of times, this isn't about the league being voided, it's bigger than that, but it seems that's all you are bothered about, as your the 1 that keeps bringing it up.

As for the EGM vote today, it will never get to the 75% mark, but that was to be expected.
 
GunnerGer said:
Like I've said lots of times, this isn't about the league being voided, it's bigger than that, but it seems that's all you are bothered about, as your the 1 that keeps bringing it up.

As for the EGM vote today, it will never get to the 75% mark, but that was to be expected.
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/secret-inverness-plan-null-void-22011151

It's all coming out. And if it goes the way it looks then the question why did a rangers mad guy, lined up for a job at Rangers trying to get the lower league clubs to vote to void the league's. I suppose Rangers will say it's all a coincidence but I can't see anybody believing that.
 
Magicpole said:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/secret-inverness-plan-null-void-22011151

It's all coming out. And if it goes the way it looks then the question why did a rangers mad guy, lined up for a job at Rangers trying to get the lower league clubs to vote to void the league's. I suppose Rangers will say it's all a coincidence but I can't see anybody believing that.
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What job is he being lined up for at Rangers?

An article that they've denied & slated by the way. Wouldn't be like the Daily Record to get things wrong or have an agenda now eh?
 
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GunnerGer said:
What job is he being lined up for at Rangers?

An article that they've denied & slated by the way. Wouldn't be like the Daily Record to get things wrong or have an agenda now eh?
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It's been reported that he was moving to Rangers. Probably might be difficult now, but we will.see. according to the Record and online, the resolution has been comprehensively defeated.
 
Magicpole said:
It's been reported that he was moving to Rangers. Probably might be difficult now, but we will.see. according to the Record and online, the resolution has been comprehensively defeated.
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Yep, like I said, I think that was to expected. It's what happens next that will be interesting. I'm surprised it got that much support actually given how Scottish football is run, almost a third of clubs wanting an investigation.

I actually don't see why teams wouldn't want an investigation, a chance to investigate the board decision making, to ensure proper governance, at no cost to the clubs? If people have nothing to hide, a chance to clear names & exonerate people.

Reeks of a drunk driver refusing a breath test, but that might just be me.
 
GunnerGer said:
Yep, like I said, I think that was to expected. It's what happens next that will be interesting. I'm surprised it got that much support actually given how Scottish football is run, almost a third of clubs wanting an investigation.

I actually don't see why teams wouldn't want an investigation, a chance to investigate the board decision making, to ensure proper governance, at no cost to the clubs? If people have nothing to hide, a chance to clear names & exonerate people.

Reeks of a drunk driver refusing a breath test, but that might just be me.
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The only reason for an investigation to be justified was after considering the dossier. The club's who voted for it are mostly the ones ending early being fucked. So not surprising they want it. The reasons Aberdeen wanted it will need to be explained to their own support..the fact the dossier was farcical.and didn't provide proof for a single allegation is hard to vote for. That's the bottom line.
 
Magicpole said:
The only reason for an investigation to be justified was after considering the dossier. The club's who voted for it are mostly the ones ending early being fucked. So not surprising they want it. The reasons Aberdeen wanted it will need to be explained to their own support..the fact the dossier was farcical.and didn't provide proof for a single allegation is hard to vote for. That's the bottom line.
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And its no surprise with 7 other teams represented on the board, that they went with the board, self preservation and all that.

The good thing now though after Peters rousing speach backing the board, you guys certainly shouldn't have any concerns about the powers that be conspiring against you's now & in the future. ;-)
 
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And its no surprise with 7 other teams represented on the board, that they went with the board, self preservation and all that.

The good thing now though after Peters rousing speach backing the board, you guys certainly shouldn't have any concerns about the powers that be conspiring against you's now & in the future. ;-)
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The rousing speech centred on no evidence of wrong doing. You can't demand people get sacked because they don't do what you want. Well, nobody but Rangers. The facts are simple. Rangers made a serious of damaging personal allegations against the integrity of two individuals. They leaked sensitive commercial information that could be damaging to the ability to get a good TV deal, against company law and the ethics of governance.

This would all have been completely justified if the evidence they claimed they had was real. It wasn't. Rangers have actually left themselves open to defamation of character actions by the SPFL and the people directly targeted.

After the waste of trees landed it became apparent to all but the brown brouged loyal that it was a pathetic busted flush, with page after page of spurious claims that would be laughed out of any Industrial Tribunal if they were sacked and went to arbitration.

This then looks like a tantrum. An ill advised opening of a can marked worms, but when opened contained waffles.

No doubt we will get statement 5678 today from Traynor claiming Lawell has turned the league's against us to keep the rage and anger going to again divert you from the reality. You've failed again. You are in serious financial shit. You gave an immediate £10m to find to balance the loses incurred through all this shit. You are awaiting the cost of another futile legal battle with Ashley that could be as much as £8-10m. You will be fined for divulging confidential business info which will see your guy asked to resign who did that. Unless of course you he SPFL shite it to endure death threats and bullets in the post. Any other company would sack him and seek damages from his club. Let's see how that transpires.

You can no longer spend what you dont earn as you have listed loses for the last four years nudging £70m. Fair Play rules cannot be avoided anymore.

Brown Brouged Robertson has questions to answer over the motivation of a club to incur loses of £175k to void all the leagues. Trying to canvas other lower league's to agree. We then have Rangers talking about the lower league's, which they haven't given a fuck about ever. Why?

To quote Churchill. This isn't the end. This isn't even the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning.

Your club will be asked a serious of questions. You didnt have the answers in the dossier, you better hope they have them now.
 
GunnerGer said:
And its no surprise with 7 other teams represented on the board, that they went with the board, self preservation and all that.

The good thing now though after Peters rousing speach backing the board, you guys certainly shouldn't have any concerns about the powers that be conspiring against you's now & in the future. ;-)
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport.../morton-chief-trashes-inverness-null-22014426

Morton chief on the report in the Record that brogue bear was trying to get support to void the league and the unseen brogue of Rangers supporting it. They wanted it voided. You know that and so does every other **** with half a brain. They have a lot of explaining to do.
 
Magicpole said:
The rousing speech centred on no evidence of wrong doing. You can't demand people get sacked because they don't do what you want. Well, nobody but Rangers. The facts are simple. Rangers made a serious of damaging personal allegations against the integrity of two individuals. They leaked sensitive commercial information that could be damaging to the ability to get a good TV deal, against company law and the ethics of governance.

This would all have been completely justified if the evidence they claimed they had was real. It wasn't. Rangers have actually left themselves open to defamation of character actions by the SPFL and the people directly targeted.

After the waste of trees landed it became apparent to all but the brown brouged loyal that it was a pathetic busted flush, with page after page of spurious claims that would be laughed out of any Industrial Tribunal if they were sacked and went to arbitration.

This then looks like a tantrum. An ill advised opening of a can marked worms, but when opened contained waffles.

No doubt we will get statement 5678 today from Traynor claiming Lawell has turned the league's against us to keep the rage and anger going to again divert you from the reality. You've failed again. You are in serious financial shit. You gave an immediate £10m to find to balance the loses incurred through all this shit. You are awaiting the cost of another futile legal battle with Ashley that could be as much as £8-10m. You will be fined for divulging confidential business info which will see your guy asked to resign who did that. Unless of course you he SPFL shite it to endure death threats and bullets in the post. Any other company would sack him and seek damages from his club. Let's see how that transpires.

You can no longer spend what you dont earn as you have listed loses for the last four years nudging £70m. Fair Play rules cannot be avoided anymore.

Brown Brouged Robertson has questions to answer over the motivation of a club to incur loses of £175k to void all the leagues. Trying to canvas other lower league's to agree. We then have Rangers talking about the lower league's, which they haven't given a fuck about ever. Why?

To quote Churchill. This isn't the end. This isn't even the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning.

Your club will be asked a serious of questions. You didnt have the answers in the dossier, you better hope they have them now.
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I'll be surprised if this is finished. I doubt Rangers & Hearts & the like will seriously think this vote would go there way. Several clubs have all had legal advice which have indicated they all have a case. A third of the clubs in the league have I dictated that they have no confidence in the leadership at the top of the league. In any other business that's an alarming rate. Do they really now expect, after that, that these clubs can just now get on with it and trust in the management?


Feck me, they set up a vote. Then proceeded to tell us the result of that vote, before all votes were counted. They then lost 1 clubs vote, which because they announced the result early, enabled that club bargaining power which they then in turn changed their initial vote. That full fiasco is gross incompetence itself, they should go just for that, never mind corrupt or before you talk about any coercing or bullying accusations.

As for our finances, the shortfall has already been covered by existing shareholders Park has already said. The external investment that was going to happen before this pandemic is still likely to happen apparently. We've finally got control off our own retail operations again from July onwards, which is a big boost. No gone knows yet what this means for historic litigation so let's see on that.

As for FFP, I think there will be a lot worse off than Rangers if that's the case. How can you enforce FFP to historic rules during a global pandemic, when competitions have stopped, prize money has stopped, there will be no match day income for months to come, when there will be infighting & lawsuits everywhere, when we don't know when competitions will restart & even if they can restart. Can we even have European football next season for instance?
 
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GunnerGer said:
I'll be surprised if this is finished. I doubt Rangers & Hearts & the like will seriously think this vote would go there way. Several clubs have all had legal advice which have indicated they all have a case. A third of the clubs in the league have I dictated that they have no confidence in the leadership at the top of the league. In any other business that's an alarming rate. Do they really now expect, after that, that these clubs can just now get on with it and trust in the management?

As for our finances, the shortfall has already been covered by existing shareholders Park has already said. The external investment that was going to happen before this pandemic is still likely to happen apparently. We've finally got control off our own retail operations again from July onwards, which is a big boost. No gone knows yet what this means for historic litigation so let's see on that.

As for FFP, I think there will be a lot worse off than Rangers if that's the case. How can you enforce FFP to historic rules during a global pandemic, when competitions have stopped, prize money has stopped, there will be no match day income for months to come, when there will be infighting & lawsuits everywhere, when we don't know when competitions will restart & even if they can restart. Can we even have European football next season for instance?
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You are making assumptions. None of the club's apart from Rangers have raised any allegations of no confidence. Where are you getting that? A call for an investigation isn't a charge unless they have evidence. The bottom line for s there isn't any. Or the vote would reflect that.

Fair Play is Fair Play. You have been allowed by the SFA to ignore that. How is that not seen as underhand? I don't see any bear moaning about the he corrupt SFA letting them spend millions they don't earn. Funny how when rules are disregarded in your favour it's ok, but when people date to challenge Rangers they are all ****s. Only the Peepil and your entitled attitude could see this happen.

If I were Lawell I would demand you do what every other fucks Ng club dies and operates within its means. You have been allowed to do whatever the fuck you want and to the rest of the teams that's blatant favouritism and looking the other way. After this, I would demand compliance to the Uefa rules. You need to cut your cloth. If that means you can't compete, whose fucking fault is that. You went bust through a reckless and shady financial strategy. You re entered the league as a new company and have done exactly the same thing. Nearly £100m in loans. If it's the integrity of the game your after have a look at how you are operating flaunting the Fair Play rules because the SFA let you. If that isn't giving you preferential treatment I don't know what is.
 
Magicpole said:
You are making assumptions. None of the club's apart from Rangers have raised any allegations of no confidence. Where are you getting that? A call for an investigation isn't a charge unless they have evidence. The bottom line for s there isn't any. Or the vote would reflect that.

Fair Play is Fair Play. You have been allowed by the SFA to ignore that. How is that not seen as underhand? I don't see any bear moaning about the he corrupt SFA letting them spend millions they don't earn. Funny how when rules are disregarded in your favour it's ok, but when people date to challenge Rangers they are all ****s. Only the Peepil and your entitled attitude could see this happen.

If I were Lawell I would demand you do what every other fucks Ng club dies and operates within its means. You have been allowed to do whatever the fuck you want and to the rest of the teams that's blatant favouritism and looking the other way. After this, I would demand compliance to the Uefa rules. You need to cut your cloth. If that means you can't compete, whose fucking fault is that. You went bust through a reckless and shady financial strategy. You re entered the league as a new company and have done exactly the same thing. Nearly £100m in loans. If it's the integrity of the game your after have a look at how you are operating flaunting the Fair Play rules because the SFA let you. If that isn't giving you preferential treatment I don't know what is.
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What are the current FFP rules by the way, educate me?
 
Magicpole said:
You can run at a loss for three years but then have to operate within your generated income.

Another chink in the it was all fair.

Stenhousemuir Chairman, Iain McMenemy who will be voting in favour of an independent investigation at today’s SPFL EGM, is also the Advisor to the Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland.

Who knew?.
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What loss? What level of loss? Surely there's specifics? Surely Rangers, Celtic & all the other clubs have to fill in a lot of paperwork to the SFA, SPFL & Uefa that determines if they are within the rules. Lawwell has determined that the SPFL aren't corrupt, so does that leave the SFA & Uefa that's allowing Rangers to cheat? Ah, but the likes of Doncaster are on that board. And wait, Lawwell has a job in Uefa, surely that gets him some clout there?
 
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peace frog said:
they set up a vote. Then proceeded to tell us the result of that vote, before all votes were counted.

is this what its all about ?
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A lot of background stuff as well, but let's just take your actual point. If a governing body has a vote on something as serious as outcomes of leagues, then tells people the result of the vote with 1 vote remaining. That vote somehow got lost. Wait, that vote it seems now is a decisive vote. So we'll let that club retract the vote that it sent, they then can use it as a bargaining power (as admitted in leaked WhatsApp messages), and then change the vote to allow the resolution the board were trying to push through to pass.

Even writing that out, I'm laughing at the gross incompetence of it, & if that's not a sacking offence in itself, I don't know what is.
 
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GunnerGer said:
A lot of background stuff as well, but let's just take your actual point. If a governing body has a vote on something as serious as outcomes of leagues, then tells people the result of the vote with 1 vote remaining. That vote somehow got lost. Wait, that vote it seems now is a decisive vote. So we'll let that club retract the vote that it sent, they then can use it as a bargaining power (as admitted in leaked WhatsApp messages), and then change the vote to allow the resolution the board were trying to push through to pass.

Even writing that out, I'm laughing at the gross incompetence of it, & if that's not a sacking offence in itself, I don't know what is.
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what did the club who changed their vote get out of it.
 
peace frog said:
what did the club who changed their vote get out of it.
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That we don't know. The next stage was clubs like Rangers, Hearts etc wanting an independent enquiry on the voting fiasco. That got voted out today. Apparently they don't want an independent body looking at their affairs for some reason.

Honestly, Scottish football is more embarrassing off the park than it is on the park. It's just the latest in a long line of shambolic decisions by the folk that run the game.

Magicpole thinks its a Rangers agenda all about voiding the title. I honestly couldn't care about the title now. I'll happily concede it, congratulate him & admit Celtic were the better team.

It's actually the like of Hearts, & Thistle and the like I feel sorry for. How can you punish these teams by relegating them prematurely. How can you relegate Partick Thistle, who were 2 points from safety but have a game in hand? It would be the exact same as deciding to relegate Aston Villa 2 weeks ago, who are also 2 points off safety with a game in hand. I just don't think it's right at all.
 
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