cheddar404
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Nothing is fair about the champions league.
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Champions League Coefficients - are they fair?
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sir baconface
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Prestwich_Blue said:Should be i) over a shorter time period (3 years) and ii) weighted towards most recent seasons (100%/75%/50%)
This but including a factor for winning a major domestic league title.
the fact that arsenal have gone out in the round of 16 for the last 4 years should tell you something. Nowhere near the title domestically yet they are perennial pot 1ers due to their coefficient - and this coefficient is high errr due to the fact they are always in pot 1, catch 22. As soon as they have to play a decent side, they get eliminated.
A slightly fairer system would be to award more points for beating higher seeded teams - currently you get the same amount of points for beating Olympiakos (snigger) as you do Barcelona. Also, domestic performance should be factored in somehow and performance over maybe last 2 seasons only should be taken into account.
A slightly fairer system would be to award more points for beating higher seeded teams - currently you get the same amount of points for beating Olympiakos (snigger) as you do Barcelona. Also, domestic performance should be factored in somehow and performance over maybe last 2 seasons only should be taken into account.
Cobwebcat
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If the sole criteria is to rank the teams in strength order then:
http://clubelo.com/
Use this a week or so before the draw date to establish the pots.
If the criteria is to reward past performance then you could have a multitude of systems.
http://clubelo.com/
Use this a week or so before the draw date to establish the pots.
If the criteria is to reward past performance then you could have a multitude of systems.
Blue Punter
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Celtic beat Barca in the group stage last season, reached the last 16, yet only improved 1 place in the rankings. They picked up the same coefficient points for beating Barca (62 places above them) as Chelsea did for beating Nordsjaelland (168 places below them).
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Can you imagine if the league started each season under a handicap system, where United for example started on + 10 points, because of their achievements in recent previous seasons?
It isn't a perfect analogy but the general principle of giving the teams who least need it an advantage before the competition even starts is a resonable comparison I'd say.
It isn't a perfect analogy but the general principle of giving the teams who least need it an advantage before the competition even starts is a resonable comparison I'd say.
crazyg
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Actually, it makes sense.tidyman said:I'd like to see a competition with just the champions of each league involved.
Maybe a preliminary round for the champions of lesser leagues, then a straight draw from round one, with no seedings.
Could call it something like, The European Cup maybe?
Probably a shit idea.
In the same vein, how about a cup for the winners of a country's own domestic competition, eg the FA Cup. You could call it the European Cup Winner's Cup.
Then you could have one for higher placed teams from the various leagues - perhaps call it the Europa League. Edit: damn it, they've already thought of that.
Never catch on, though - it's too straightforward.
cheddar404 said:Nothing is fair about the champions league.
NOTHING.
mcmanus
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tidyman said:Can you imagine if the league started each season under a handicap system, where United for example started on + 10 points, because of their achievements in recent previous seasons?
It isn't a perfect analogy but the general principle of giving the teams who least need it an advantage before the competition even starts is a resonable comparison I'd say.
Not really.
But Wee Davey would still cock it up.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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If Platini or Blatter, FICKFUFA or UEFA are involved, then fairness is at the top of the agenda. Everything is engineered so that it's fair to them and their chosen cronies.