Champions League Draw & TV Pairings

Chelsea4ever said:
Pirlo, Vidal and Llorente weren't so important for them last season. They reached the final thanks to Tevez, mainly, their defense and Marchisio (a very underrated player).
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They reached the final because they had an easy group, then played a Dortmund club who was fighting their way out of the relegation zone before barely getting by Monaco. Their signature win was Madrid. Llorente was a player they didn't really want to lose and Vidal may of had a down year by his standards but he was still an importa
nt player. Pirlo was an influential figure in that club no matter what. Fact of the matter is they are replacing a group of players that were on that road to the final. Dybala is unproven at the top level, Mandžukić hasn't quite been the Mario of old so there's question marks there. Can he give them Tevez/Llorente production? Will Cuadrado regain form? Lots of question marks surrounding their new signings for who their replacing. Even though it's one game in, they did fail to break down Udinese. Even if they add Draxler, there will be concerns if he can stay healthy.
 
MillionDollarDream said:
They reached the final because they had an easy group, then played a Dortmund club who was fighting their way out of the relegation zone before barely getting by Monaco. Their signature win was Madrid. Llorente was a player they didn't really want to lose and Vidal may of had a down year by his standards but he was still an importa
nt player. Pirlo was an influential figure in that club no matter what. Fact of the matter is they are replacing a group of players that were on that road to the final. Dybala is unproven at the top level, Mandžukić hasn't quite been the Mario of old so there's question marks there. Can he give them Tevez/Llorente production? Will Cuadrado regain form? Lots of question marks surrounding their new signings for who their replacing. Even though it's one game in, they did fail to break down Udinese. Even if they add Draxler, there will be concerns if he can stay healthy.
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They were just unlucky against Udinese.
Vidal was shit, trust me, I watched almost every Juve game last year.
Mandzukic is no Tevez but he's a good player who can score 20 or more goals in Italy, so can Dybala (13 goals last season). Llorente was pretty useless last year, sorry.
 
Chelsea4ever said:
They were just unlucky against Udinese.
Vidal was shit, trust me, I watched almost every Juve game last year.
Mandzukic is no Tevez but he's a good player who can score 20 or more goals in Italy, so can Dybala (13 goals last season). Llorente was pretty useless last year, sorry.
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I get your angle, downplay those leaving and big up the players they've added. Mario couldn't bag 20 in a talented Aleti side, in a league that made Roberto Saldado look amazing. Dybala won't be the focus at Juve and tailed off the latter part of last season. You gonna tell me you watched ever Parlermo game too? I have several friends who watch all things Juve and these are the questions they have going into this season. Many pundits agree that it's our group to win and that Sevilla is the side to watch, not Juve. Before last season Juve were struggling in Europe and the players I mentioned were playing better then too.
 
MillionDollarDream said:
I get your angle, downplay those leaving and big up the players they've added. Mario couldn't bag 20 in a talented Aleti side, in a league that made Roberto Saldado look amazing. Dybala won't be the focus at Juve and tailed off the latter part of last season. You gonna tell me you watched ever Parlermo game too? I have several friends who watch all things Juve and these are the questions they have going into this season. Many pundits agree that it's our group to win and that Sevilla is the side to watch, not Juve. Before last season Juve were struggling in Europe and the players I mentioned were playing better then too.
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Oooookay, I don't care, but if you think Sevilla are better than Juventus, well do what you want.
Chelsea underestimated Juve once, and they slaughtered us.
PS: Serie A is so shit that Luca Toni, nearly 40yrs old, can score 22 goals in a season. Mandzukic, Dzeko, Bacca, Icardi will all tear that league apart.
 
Chelsea4ever said:
They were just unlucky against Udinese.
Vidal was shit, trust me, I watched almost every Juve game last year.
Mandzukic is no Tevez but he's a good player who can score 20 or more goals in Italy, so can Dybala (13 goals last season). Llorente was pretty useless last year, sorry.
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Vidal is the big loss, he is a total player, doing almost everything. Unfortunately, he is no intelligent man, he has no professional lifestyle.
Tevez was unmotivated and made the difference at home tournaments, not that much in Europe.
Pirlo, a genius, but he played with no run at all and was suffering that much pressing that several times, with him on the pitch,we got the risk to lose ball not far from our area and get some killer counter-attacking. He is old, it happens to all players, unfortunately.
Llorente, I admire him as a great pro, but Mandzukic is an upgrade.
Dybala, trust me, is a boy he'll get to top the world. Fantastic player. In Italy we have an obsessive, tactical play, so every new player needs to get sometime to learn the movements and get feeling with team mates. Even Pogba did that, he was not a starting eleven player for some months, at Juventus.
We have a big ace: Allegri has not an astonishing good scheme and play, but he is highly experienced in Europe and knows how to put in difficulty foreign teams. I trust him to get the balance to put a net over Manchester pitch. I'm not talking about any bus in the penalty area, I'm talking about tactical measures.
 
Laserta said:
Vidal is the big loss, he is a total player, doing almost everything. Unfortunately, he is no intelligent man, he has no professional lifestyle.
Tevez was unmotivated and made the difference at home tournaments, not that much in Europe.
Pirlo, a genius, but he played with no run at all and was suffering that much pressing that several times, with him on the pitch,we got the risk to lose ball not far from our area and get some killer counter-attacking. He is old, it happens to all players, unfortunately.
Llorente, I admire him as a great pro, but Mandzukic is an upgrade.
Dybala, trust me, is a boy he'll get to top the world. Fantastic player. In Italy we have an obsessive, tactical play, so every new player needs to get sometime to learn the movements and get feeling with team mates. Even Pogba did that, he was not a starting eleven player for some months, at Juventus.
We have a big ace: Allegri has not an astonishing good scheme and play, but he is highly experienced in Europe and knows how to put in difficulty foreign teams. I trust him to get the balance to put a net over Manchester pitch. I'm not talking about any bus in the penalty area, I'm talking about tactical measures.
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No mate, your big loss is Tevez.
Vidal was pretty useless and noxious.
 
Can't wait, our strongest squad ever, if they are as focused at putting things right in Europe as they seem to be in the prem we should be fine.
Pogba may also see what he's missing
 
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