Champions League Groups (Update p6)

[Prestwich_Blue]

According to a mate of mine our Sheikh is in Barcelona today, they saw his yacht there too. Hope he's not selling Sergio at the moment. :)

The Sheikh's in London with the UAE delegation on a state visit.

 

[JustAnotherCityFan]

What is the worst combination of teams that could be in our group?

We only do groups of death!!!!!!!!!!

Bayern
Atleti
City
Napoli

Well if we get Napoli hopefully we'll be the ones with Cavani this time.

 

[Hungarian blue]

The Sheikh's in London with the UAE delegation on a state visit.

Hm, thanks and sorry for the misinformation. Then they might saw some other sheikh. :D

 

[JGL07]

No its more to do with coefficient points and us not really having any and having even less now thanks to an absolutely stupendous season in Europe coupled with the fact people around us and just a bit below have improved endlessly in the last year

rubish, we actually moved 6 places up compare to 2012

Rubbish what, we will have less coefficient points next campaign then we did this one

City were fortunate to make pot 2 last season. This was because a number of higher ranked teams failed to qualify for the Champions' League or failed to make it through the playoffs.

City have moved up six places from 28 to 22. But most of the teams above City seem likely to qualify this time (bar Liverpool, Inter, and Valencia). One or two could fall in the play-off round.

Last season a number failed to make the CL including Liverpool, Inter, Marseilles, Villareal, Roma, Hamburg, Sevilla, Spurs, Sporting Lisbon, Athletico Madrid, PSV Eindhoven, CSKA Moscow. That put City in the top 16.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Top of Pot 3 might actually work out better as as far as I can see, the tendency is for the stronger teams in 1 & 2 to get the weaker teams in 3 & 4. That means the stonger teams in 3 & 4 get the weaker teams in 1 & 2, meaning we might have a better chance of someone like Porto, Benfica or Inter in Pot 1

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Top of Pot 3 might actually work out better as as far as I can see, the tendency is for the stronger teams in 1 & 2 to get the weaker teams in 3 & 4. That means the stonger teams in 3 & 4 get the weaker teams in 1 & 2, meaning we might have a better chance of someone like Porto, Benfica or Inter in Pot 1

Didn't we go through this a while back.

It doesn't work like that at all really, does it?

 

[kawkav]

No its more to do with coefficient points and us not really having any and having even less now thanks to an absolutely stupendous season in Europe coupled with the fact people around us and just a bit below have improved endlessly in the last year

rubish, we actually moved 6 places up compare to 2012

Rubbish what, we will have less coefficient points next campaign then we did this one

follow the link and go down to team ranking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient#UEFA_Team_Ranking

man city
28 for 2012
22 for 2013

-- Wed May 01, 2013 6:18 pm --

Who cares? Pot 2 didn't keep us from the "death."

Victory will be that much sweeter having beat the world's best.

we were in pot 3

No we weren't, it was pot 2. RM pot 1, City Pot 2, Ajax pot 3 and Dortmund pot 4

I stand corrected

 

[Scooby Blue]

I also looked at cut-off points in recent years to get into different pots:

Pot 1:
2009/10 - 92
2010/11 - 95
2011/12 - 95
2012/13 - 90
2013/14 - 100 ? (approx.)

Pot 2:
2009/10 - 53
2010/11 - 57
2011/12 - 61
2012/13 - 62
2013/14 - 71 ? (approx.)

Apart from this season for Pot 1, the trend is clear (especially to get into Pot 2) - the number of co-efficient points you need to get into the top 2 pots has increased over recent years.

The main reason for this has been the consistency of sides like Porto / Benfica / Shaktar / Zenit / Olympiacos in qualifying for CL alongside usual suspects such as Utd / Barca / Bayern etc.

The 5 year calculation system massively favours consistency in picking up points over one-off successes.

Assuming current trends continue, it is very difficult to see points thresholds coming down much over next few years (even if names change e.g. PSG replacing Lyon)

In 2014/15 season (assuming City qualify) we lose our 20 points from "Hamburg" campaign...so we need to get out of group stages next season (worth around 20 points) just to stand still.

In 2015/16 season it is better news as a low-point season drops off...and we will have 47 points + whatever we pick up from next 2 campaigns.

If we want to be knocking on the door of Pot 1, points needed will likely be in 95-100 range for reasons outlined above.
Getting out of group = 21 points (approx)
Q-Final = 25 points
S-Final = 28 points

Bottom Line: if we want to break out of cycle of always getting difficult groups because of our seeding...we need to get to Q-Final stage (at least) in each of next two seasons.*

* or take Europa league very seriously if we finish 3rd in group
e.g. Chelsea picking up 25 points this season (+ still counting) vs 21 for Utd who got out of group stages but lost to Real Madrid.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Top of Pot 3 might actually work out better as as far as I can see, the tendency is for the stronger teams in 1 & 2 to get the weaker teams in 3 & 4. That means the stonger teams in 3 & 4 get the weaker teams in 1 & 2, meaning we might have a better chance of someone like Porto, Benfica or Inter in Pot 1

Didn't we go through this a while back.

It doesn't work like that at all really, does it?

It does from what I can see although they also try to avoid TV clashes within countries as far as they can so it's not an absolute rule.

 

[Castiel]

* or take Europa league very seriously if we finish 3rd in group
e.g. Chelsea picking up 25 points this season (+ still counting) vs 21 for Utd who got out of group stages but lost to Real Madrid.

At the risk of jinxing it as I'd really like to win this cup (never won it and we'll hold all 3 European trophies if we do) our players haven't been taking it seriously either and we've just cruised through so far even though we've had ridiculous penalties awarded against us in every knockout round we've played in. I've been really surprised with the competition so far, especially as both you and United were knocked out quickly last year and Spurs/Liverpool have failed at their many attempts.