Channel deaths | Four confirmed dead after migrant boat tragically capsizes (p 41)

I'm With Stupid said:
People in the developing world can't just get a tourist visa to the UK (or EU). It's a lengthy application process where you have to provide all sorts of evidence that you can afford it and that you have a permanent job to return to. I remember going on holiday to Spain, Italy and France with my Indian friend, and it was a right pain in the arse to sort out. Or saying "let's go to Thailand next week" only to realise that our Russian friend couldn't get a visa on arrival like the rest of us. Being able to just buy a flight and turn up in a country is a privilege that most people in the world don't have.

Every country has the same problem because no country actually wants to process asylum seekers. They all talk a good game while secretly making it as difficult as possible. Hence my race-to-the-bottom comment.
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But aren't they paying people traffickers hundreds of £'s? I read some traffickers are making tens of thousands per crossing. A flight from Paris to London costs what, £100 at best?

I'm not trying to be funny, I just don't understand why people are taking such risks to travel from a relatively safer place to come to here where as we keep hearing it's so apparently anti-immigrant etc.

I know some are coming to meet family but again there's a visa that allows family members to come here no problem.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Perhaps they have the mistaken belief that the UK is a country that is welcoming?
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We are obviously welcoming and that’s why they want to come, there’s something here that’s better than France for these people, we’ve had net 250,000+ migrants every year until the pandemic. Obviously the asylum process needs to change but there doesn’t seem to be an easy answer here.
 
Octavian said:
We are obviously welcoming and that’s why they want to come, there’s something here that’s better than France for these people, we’ve had net 250,000+ migrants every year until the pandemic. Obviously the asylum process needs to change but there doesn’t seem to be an easy answer here.
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There are 14 pages of comment that would challenge your view mate.
 
bluethrunthru said:
There are 14 pages of comment that would challenge your view mate.
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Well yeah but people have their own biases regarding the situation. I’m more interested in trying to find out why this is happening and what a logical solution is, as there will always be one but I just can’t find it. It’s obvious the current set up isn’t working but then if we processed them in Calais and they didn’t meet the criteria, they’d be trying to cross anyway and we’re in the same situation. As a stop gap the navy need to be called to rescue missions.
 
Octavian said:
Well yeah but people have their own biases regarding the situation. I’m more interested in trying to find out why this is happening and what a logical solution is, as there will always be one but I just can’t find it. It’s obvious the current set up isn’t working but then if we processed them in Calais and they didn’t meet the criteria, they’d be trying to cross anyway and we’re in the same situation. As a stop gap the navy need to be called to rescue missions.
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Watch newsnight from last night, they cover the why people are willing to risk it quite well.
 
inbetween said:
But aren't they paying people traffickers hundreds of £'s? I read some traffickers are making tens of thousands per crossing. A flight from Paris to London costs what, £100 at best?

I'm not trying to be funny, I just don't understand why people are taking such risks to travel from a relatively safer place to come to here where as we keep hearing it's so apparently anti-immigrant etc.

I know some are coming to meet family but again there's a visa that allows family members to come here no problem.
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It’s not about the flight though, they need a fake passport and visa good enough to get them on the flight in the first place. They don’t have access to criminal masterminds, they have access to smugglers that get them across borders without controls and then give them a dodgy boat.
 
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