Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

BlueHammer85 said:
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If I went into a pub and kept slagging a person or group of persons off. I wouldn’t be surprised if I got punched in the face. Instead it’s America, they carry guns and don’t throw punches. Violence is wrong, however there’s certain ways of acting and behaving to ensure you are minimising the chances of something bad happening to you. Specially in a country as fucked up as America is right now.
 
mancboy said:
But why leave it with black people when those same statistics are just as prevalent in low income white communities in the rural and deep south of america, the statistics for them are just as uncomfortable but thats a conversation that nobody wants to have because that is the bedrock of trumps support?
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I am interested in these stats same for immigrants and allegedly refugees here. What are people trying to say when they use these stats ? Including in this country in fact by none white conservatives.

I am all for stats and sensible policy but it seems these stats are never used to help the black community or the poor of refugees but to demonize yet people who use these stats dare not follow their argument through logical conclusion of there argument not mine that they believe in a hierarchy.

It’s very noticeable in this country around the hotels. The stats on crime by country are not clear and even if they where I don’t think it’s clear who is committing what crime. Also specifically on sexual crimes we are told it’s a cultural thing but most countries have much more conservative views and higher age of consent laws and if it was about religion or culture and not race we would be have the same debate about African immigrants from some countries or at least parts of them including the country of Kemi Badenoch heritage yet she only talks about sexual abuse issues from Pakistan
 
WRicko said:
I am interested in these stats same for immigrants and allegedly refugees here. What are people trying to say when they use these stats ? Including in this country in fact by none white conservatives.

I am all for stats and sensible policy but it seems these stats are never used to help the black community or the poor of refugees but to demonize yet people who use these stats dare not follow their argument through logical conclusion of there argument not mine that they believe in a hierarchy.

It’s very noticeable in this country around the hotels. The stats on crime by country are not clear and even if they where I don’t think it’s clear who is committing what crime. Also specifically on sexual crimes we are told it’s a cultural thing but most countries have much more conservative views and higher age of consent laws and if it was about religion or culture and not race we would be have the same debate about African immigrants from some countries or at least parts of them including the country of Kemi Badenoch heritage yet she only talks about sexual abuse issues from Pakistan
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stats for the most part can be manipulated to prove any argument you are trying to make thats why they are so reliable, the point i was making is if you use those stats to demonize one race, religion or community then you really should use similar stats that are comparable to demonize another race, religion or community otherwise you are specifically targeting the demographic you have chosen to go after.
 
Earlyriser said:
Can somebody explain why this story is getting so much media coverage in the UK? Unless you were a follower/sympathiser here he had no role in our system and was just another example of the views that thrive amongst certain sections of the US populace.
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Boris Johnson thinks he was wonderful!
 
Politics is just turning into 'gangs' now. Apparently most us do not want capital punishment but if we do not like the person then 'honour' killing them is ok (and acceptable?). Sickening hypocricy from all sides.
 
Not for the first time, I’m going to apportion at least some of the blame for this on the scourge of social media. We now live in a world where the opinions of morons can be monetised on a scale never seen before, with those opinions having to grow ever-more extreme to garner any traction. It’s become an entire industry, with millions of dollars up for grabs. The result is endless trolling, with people spouting increasingly obnoxious, antagonistic, polarising views just to drive engagement.

Should these people be murdered for espousing those views? Obviously not. But we don’t live in a perfect world; we live in one full of other equally flawed human beings. And when your whole persona is based on poking the other side for a reaction, the propensity for bad shit to happen increases rapidly.

He was undoubtedly a ****, but whoever was responsible for killing him is an absolute fucking idiot. It will achieve nothing positive and only serve to make the whole situation 10x worse.
 
Whilst obviously a horrible human being who the world is better off without, this type of killing can not be condoned.

Whether it is politically motivated as the Right suggest is unknown. The shooter may have had non political reasons for doing what he did.
 
I'll bet many of the MAGA senior figures like Stephen Miller are delighted with this outcome. Goebbels used the murder of Horst Wessel - an SA thug - in 1930 a cornerstone of Nazi propaganda and I can see the same happening here.
The shooter has not been found and I don't think they will be as they are more valuable as a bogeyman to "justify" more draconian actions by Trump's goons.
It is not totally crazy to think that this shooting was arranged to create a martyr and distract from the Epstein files.
 
And now we see Twitter awash with video blaming the 'radical left'. These are the words of the POTUS and another Republican politician. To my knowledge, there is no suspect in custody, so, once again, we see inflammatory political division being sown with absolutely no evidence of motive. These are such dangerous times, and Donald just pours fuel on it.
 
Earlyriser said:
Can somebody explain why this story is getting so much media coverage in the UK? Unless you were a follower/sympathiser here he had no role in our system and was just another example of the views that thrive amongst certain sections of the US populace.
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I think for two reasons.

Firstly, his murder is likely to stoke things even further in the US with more violence to follow but also it will probably be used as a pretext for the next wave/level of authoritarian behaviour by Trump and as the US lurches further into that abyss the impacts ripple out to the rest of us. So it's a legitimate and important international news story in that sense.

Secondly I think there's plenty of people within and beyond these shores who want it front and centre so it can further stoke division here. A few years ago this would have been a minor report on the murder of a man who held a variety of extremist views. It's already, very selectively, been turned into a totemic assault on freedom of speech by people with a very specific agenda.
 
JASR said:
Political activist killed:
‘Loony lefties violence’
‘US not safe with these people’
Trump in full flow.
MAGA in full flow.
X in full flow
Nationwide half mast flags ordered by Trump.

Melissa Hortman politician killed (along with husband):
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Compare and contrast

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People disgusted as Trump has 'vile' response when asked about murder of Democratic lawmaker

People on social media have hit back at Trump for his incompassionate response
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No-one knows who was behind the killing of Kirk but it definitely helps Trump to continue sowing division and hate, which is how he came to power in the first place and how he intends to cling on to it.
 
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