Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

[N1985]

what do we reckon

I reckon vaccines cause Autism and 5g has given me 3 bollocks. Chemtrails are killing our kids and mobile phones have given me a brain tumour

I reckon you also spent far too much time on the Internet around 2020.

 

[domalino]

It seems we have a lot of people on here supposedly against gun violence, until it’s someone they don’t like or doesn’t share the same opinion.

I'm against gun violence for everyone except those that explicitly endorse gun violence as a worthwhile sacrifice for the second ammendment.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

People here keep on "quoting" him out of context , but a tiny bit of research, actually listening to what HE said, not out of context bollocks, would show anyone that whether you agreed with him or not (and I didn't on many matters), he was a decent human being trying his best to fight for what he believed in (rightfully or not). People here dehumanise him to "justify" his murder, but that's just despicable. I wouldn't wish death to anyone, let alone some lad who never harmed anybody. He had some bad takes(some good ones too btw.), and? He deserved to die for it?! I see we have a lot of gun violence fans on here.

Is 94 your IQ?

 

[M18CTID]

Nope - like I said a number of times now, not interested in US Politics. Or have you airbrushed that from memory?

Yet here you are commenting.

I’ve airbrushed fuck all mate - in fact, it wasn’t until today that I came across your username

 

[madloaf]

Is 94 your IQ?

I've always seen your comments and thought you were the generous type.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Just to clarify: he said some utterly abhorrent, racist, divisive, homophobic and violent, hurtful statements, but it is very wrong that he was murdered in cold blood in front of his family.

For the purpose of nuance, both of those things can be true.

Both things are true.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Is 94 your IQ?

Only 6 below the average??

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I've always seen your comments and thought you were the generous type.

I’m a giver not a taker…

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Only 6 below the average??

To me, that is a huge insult. To others, not so much.

 

[meltonblue]

It's because making things up is the only way anyone can pretend he wasn't an awful ****.

He didn't deserve to get killed for it, but that's what he was by any metric.

It says a lot about the state of politics both in America and those trying to adopt it over here that he’s as revered as he is, and how social media and the internet has completely changed the rules. It really isn’t that long ago he’d have been nowhere near having a platform at all.

 

[johnny crossan]

Is 94 your IQ?

That would be pretty normal and probably quite a lot higher than some of those abusing him on here.

 

[When The Levee Breaks]

What a fucking weird comment.

Maybe just maybe it shouldn't matter what political view they have. I assumed it was obvious that people shouldn't be murdered because they have a differing opinion.

Anyone who celebrates any murder because they didn't like what that person said is a ****.

Out of all the fucked up comments on this thread, my comment is a fucking weird one!?

Im gonna crack open my next beer, sit back and enjoy that fact.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Just to clarify: he said some utterly abhorrent, racist, divisive, homophobic and violent, hurtful statements, but it is very wrong that he was murdered in cold blood in front of his family.

For the purpose of nuance, both of those things can be true.

It really does seem to me as simple as this though also acknowledging that whether you agree with Kirk or not, he was an influential figure, and I’m not entirely sure why people are making it more complicated. If it’s indeed this simple, then let the police catch the suspect, give whoever it is a trial by jury, let the guilt or innocence be as the jury decides and, if guilty, the punishment as the judge sentences. If everyone does their jobs correctly, it will be justice as justice is intended. Meantime let this be the end of the political cycle of bloodshed, no matter what the motives here end up being. To me, this is the message the entirety of leadership of America’s political infrastructure should be proffering.

 

[domalino]

It says a lot about the state of politics both in America and those trying to adopt it over here that he’s as revered as he is, and how social media and the internet has completely changed the rules. It really isn’t that long ago he’d have been nowhere near having a platform at all.

Half the Trump lot were calling for his head (literally) 6 months ago because he criticised Trump over something.

Laura Loomer has been deleting tweets about what a **** he was all day.

The vast majority of him do not care about his death one iota, other than using it as part of ramping up the tensions and scoring political points. You'll notice none of them are asking how we can stop political violence in the future for both sides.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

It says a lot about the state of politics both in America and those trying to adopt it over here that he’s as revered as he is, and how social media and the internet has completely changed the rules. It really isn’t that long ago he’d have been nowhere near having a platform at all.

This is true I think. I’ve written about this a lot.

 

[johnny crossan]

I thought people at the Oxford Union were supposed to be intellectual giants compared to us plebs but obviously not. Not sure it was worth it.

Access Restricted

Pygmy is a better description of that one.

 

[JASR]

He supported guns, of course he is going to defend them, saying the postives (presumably self-defense) outweigh the negatives. I don't believe in guns, so I disagree, but I don't think it means he supports the deaths. It's like saying people who have an issue with the police want more murders. Context matters. It's okay to disagree with someone, there is no need to attack them personally.

Finally, I don't know what primitive views on race you are referring to, but I have seen him interacting with people of all races/religions and never seen him personally attacking anyone physically or verbally, contrary to some who attacked him. He might have attacked an ideology, that's not unheard of, we all do it, I see it a lot in this thread. I believe he has mentioned crime vs race statistics, which doesn't make him a racist. Him not liking aspects of certain religions doesn't make him a bad person. Most people have views on religion, a lot of it negative, on all sorts of religions.

He had his biases, we all have some.

your starter for 10:
He said that gays should be stoned to death.

 

[west didsblue]

Now that Kirk is gone presumably the next generation will take over the enterprise, although Picard must be knocking on a bit himself.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

Out of all the fucked up comments on this thread, my comment is a fucking weird one!?

Im gonna crack open my next beer, sit back and enjoy that fact.

Yes it was. Because saying everyone not believing Charlie Kirk should have been murdered would celebrate Greta Thunberg being killed is fucking weird.

I'm sure not everyone's moral compass is dictated on whether they agree with that person politically.

 

[Haaland94]

Is 94 your IQ?

This response warrants more, right?

I think the idea that people have different opinions is too much for some. I wonder what they would do if they were to find out some of our players have some right-wing views, and they do. The horror.

Sometimes I don't know how some function out there in the real world. Is it all just personal attacks and violenece? Congratulations, you are what you accuse Charlie Kirk to be.

I can get along with people representing all views as long as they are not violent. I have far-left friends, far-right friends. We agree to disagree. It's good to talk, share values. We all have various ones.

Charlie Kirk had some crazy opinions (for me). Some good opinions too. He hasn't hurt anyone. How can anyone be okay with assaination. It's insanity.