Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

As requested, straight from the man himself:

This was in response to a school shooting in which multiple children died.

Would you like to hear his views on women, racial minorities, or the LGBT community? Because they're equally vile.

Thanks.

The US Second Amendment is intended to allow people to DEFEND themselves, not to MURDER in cold blood.

Here's the rest of his quote. Is it also "vile" to believe that road deaths are an unfortunate cost to have automotive transport? Do you believe all automotive transport should be banned?


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Would you like to hear his views on women, racial minorities, or the LGBT community? Because they're equally vile.

Sure, let's see them.
 
Thanks.

The US Second Amendment is intended to allow people to DEFEND themselves, not to MURDER in cold blood.

Here's the rest of his quote. Is it also "vile" to believe that road deaths are an unfortunate cost to have automotive transport? Do you believe all automotive transport should be banned?


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Sure, let's see them.
Can I just clarify, are you just quoting him or are you agreeing with the bad faith bat shit false equivalence itself?
 
Thanks.

The US Second Amendment is intended to allow people to DEFEND themselves, not to MURDER in cold blood.

Here's the rest of his quote. Is it also "vile" to believe that road deaths are an unfortunate cost to have automotive transport? Do you believe all automotive transport should be banned?


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Sure, let's see them.
I don’t think his view is vile, just fucking stupid. His is an inane point of view. Cars are DESIGNED to do things OTHER than destroy. They provide a positive benefit that has zero to do with the danger of misusing them. Guns do one thing — they destroy. That’s it. That’s all. Do they provide security? Yes because of the threat that they destroy. Do they provide limp dicks with an inflated sense of potency? Yes because of the threat that they destroy. Do I think they should be banned? Absolutely not. Do I think guns — because they have a sole purpose related to their designed-to-destroy nature — should be the dramatically most governmentally-regulated product available to the consumer? You bet I do. Did he? No.
 
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Thanks.

The US Second Amendment is intended to allow people to DEFEND themselves, not to MURDER in cold blood.

Here's the rest of his quote. Is it also "vile" to believe that road deaths are an unfortunate cost to have automotive transport? Do you believe all automotive transport should be banned?


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Sure, let's see them.

This is nonsense. The purpose of a gun is to kill. It serves no other purpose. The purpose of a car is to transport people and goods. Deaths may occur as a result of their use, predominantly through accidents. We seek to minimise those accidents by training drivers and by better safety measures in cars to allow people to survive accidents. Cars are also logged, insured, maintained by law and so on. There is far less regulation around guns - there was a specific correlation made between cars and rifles when then shooters rifle was found ie finding the rifle would not necessarily be of much use as ownership is not recorded as stringently as a car.

There is no specific need to own a gun. It’s only function is to kill or wound people, and both these activities are illegal. You can argue in rural areas a farmer may need a weapon, but even here it’s a stretch. If a legitimate case can be made - protecting livestock from predators - then exceptions can be made, but these should be exceptions not the rule and there should be strict control over the type of weapon and mandatory training of use of the weapon. No one needs to own an assault rifle.

The car example can be applied to other activities. We consume food, sometimes that food can lead to death by choking or be contaminated. ‘But we have decided the benefits of eating out weigh the possibility of death’ ergo we should allow people to carry deadly assault rifles whose only function is to kill or wound people?

Finally, ask Charlie Kirk how he views gun ownership and the right of people to carry them. Oh, wait. You can’t because he is fucking dead.

So, you reckon Kirk won the gun debate?
 
This is nonsense. The purpose of a gun is to kill. It serves no other purpose. The purpose of a car is to transport people and goods. Deaths may occur as a result of their use, predominantly through accidents. We seek to minimise those accidents by training drivers and by better safety measures in cars to allow people to survive accidents. Cars are also logged, insured, maintained by law and so on. There is far less regulation around guns - there was a specific correlation made between cars and rifles when then shooters rifle was found ie finding the rifle would not necessarily be of much use as ownership is not recorded as stringently as a car.

There is no specific need to own a gun. It’s only function is to kill or wound people, and both these activities are illegal. You can argue in rural areas a farmer may need a weapon, but even here it’s a stretch. If a legitimate case can be made - protecting livestock from predators - then exceptions can be made, but these should be exceptions not the rule and there should be strict control over the type of weapon and mandatory training of use of the weapon. No one needs to own an assault rifle.

The car example can be applied to other activities. We consume food, sometimes that food can lead to death by choking or be contaminated. ‘But we have decided the benefits of eating out weigh the possibility of death’ ergo we should allow people to carry deadly assault rifles whose only function is to kill or wound people?

Finally, ask Charlie Kirk how he views gun ownership and the right of people to carry them. Oh, wait. You can’t because he is fucking dead.

So, you reckon Kirk won the gun debate?
Said much better than I.
 
Thanks.

The US Second Amendment is intended to allow people to DEFEND themselves, not to MURDER in cold blood.

Here's the rest of his quote. Is it also "vile" to believe that road deaths are an unfortunate cost to have automotive transport? Do you believe all automotive transport should be banned?


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Sure, let's see them.
To drive a car one has to learn how to use it, pass a test and register it.
 
Of all the nonsense spouted after the murder of Kirk, Don Trump Junior takes the looney of the year prize. He said:
“ I don’t know of a single school shooting in the last few years that was not carried out by trans people. They are fed hormones from the age of three to make them believe [that ideology]”
Jeez.
He is a deliberately dangerous idiot. I saw the figures earlier today and shootings committed by trans people were something like 0.1%.
He needs forensic challenge for everything he says, and that's why he bans media who do not offer him unequivocal, unquestioning support.
 
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Nobody is going to propose the junking of A2, but modern tech was not envisaged at the time. Rethink for gods sake.
 
This is nonsense. The purpose of a gun is to kill. It serves no other purpose. The purpose of a car is to transport people and goods. Deaths may occur as a result of their use, predominantly through accidents. We seek to minimise those accidents by training drivers and by better safety measures in cars to allow people to survive accidents. Cars are also logged, insured, maintained by law and so on. There is far less regulation around guns - there was a specific correlation made between cars and rifles when then shooters rifle was found ie finding the rifle would not necessarily be of much use as ownership is not recorded as stringently as a car.

There is no specific need to own a gun. It’s only function is to kill or wound people, and both these activities are illegal. You can argue in rural areas a farmer may need a weapon, but even here it’s a stretch. If a legitimate case can be made - protecting livestock from predators - then exceptions can be made, but these should be exceptions not the rule and there should be strict control over the type of weapon and mandatory training of use of the weapon. No one needs to own an assault rifle.

The car example can be applied to other activities. We consume food, sometimes that food can lead to death by choking or be contaminated. ‘But we have decided the benefits of eating out weigh the possibility of death’ ergo we should allow people to carry deadly assault rifles whose only function is to kill or wound people?

Finally, ask Charlie Kirk how he views gun ownership and the right of people to carry them. Oh, wait. You can’t because he is fucking dead.

So, you reckon Kirk won the gun debate?

"This is nonsense. The purpose of a gun is to kill. It serves no other purpose."

False. Guns are tools with multiple uses beyond killing. For example:

Self-Defense. Many people own guns to protect themselves or their families. The intent is to deter or stop a threat, not necessarily to kill. The 1995 study by Gary Kleck, estimated there were 2.5 million defensive gun uses annually in the U.S. often without firing a shot.

Sport & Recreation.

Hunting.

Law Enforcement. Police use guns to maintain order and protect public safety, often aiming to subdue rather than kill.

"The purpose of a car is to transport people and goods. Deaths may occur as a result of their use, predominantly through accidents."

A gun’s purpose is shaped by the user’s intent. A hammer can kill, but its primary purpose is to drive nails. Similarly, a gun’s purpose varies—whether it’s for sport, protection, or harm depends on the wielder. Claiming all gun use is about killing ignores these distinctions.

So it's not "vile" to accept there will be deaths due to car ownership but "vile" to accept that deaths will result from gun ownership? Strange logic.

"There is no specific need to own a gun. It’s only function is to kill or wound people"

False. As rebutted above.

"‘But we have decided the benefits of eating out weigh the possibility of death’ ergo we should allow people to carry deadly assault rifles whose only function is to kill or wound people?

False equivalence. We would die if we didn't eat. Similarly, a gun can save someone's life from an attacker.

"Finally, ask Charlie Kirk how he views gun ownership and the right of people to carry them. Oh, wait. You can’t because he is fucking dead."

So ask someone's who's life was saved because they carried a gun. What do you think the answer would be?

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Your argument fails because it generalizes a gun's function and ignoring diverse uses, user intent, or specific designs. Guns can kill, but their purpose is not inherently or exclusively to do so.
 
This is patently false.

People shoot, wound and lawfully kill other people with guns every year, not to mention the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of animals legally killed with them.

It is the MISUSE of guns that is illegal.
Assuming the shooting was intentional, killing or wounding people with a gun is illegal, unless you can successfully raise a defence to that killing or wounding, so you’re both right as it happens.
 
"This is nonsense. The purpose of a gun is to kill. It serves no other purpose."

False. Guns are tools with multiple uses beyond killing. For example:

Self-Defense. Many people own guns to protect themselves or their families. The intent is to deter or stop a threat, not necessarily to kill. The 1995 study by Gary Kleck, estimated there were 2.5 million defensive gun uses annually in the U.S. often without firing a shot.
Self-defence.
 
To drive a car one has to learn how to use it, pass a test and register it.

Cars and guns serve distinct purposes. Driving is a privilege regulated by the state, while gun ownership - in the U.S.- is a constitutional right under the Second Amendment. Comparing a privilege to a right overlooks this legal distinction. Requiring tests and registration for guns could infringe on a protected freedom, unlike driving, which lacks constitutional backing.

Your analogy ignores the fact that gun ownership already faces significant regulation. Federal laws require background checks for purchases from licensed dealers and many states mandate permits, training, or registration for certain firearms or concealed carry. Concealed carry licenses often require safety courses and background checks, akin to driver’s licensing. Your statement falsely implies guns are unregulated. Your statement fails to account for the unique legal, cultural, and practical aspects of gun ownership compared to driving, thus making it flawed & overly simplistic.
 

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