Chat GPT

abu13 said:
AI doesn't need to "kill us off", i think anyone who believes this is a long way off.

However a situation where AI could be used to bring down society could happen, just imagine you wake up one day and your bank account has been wiped out, your pension pot has gone, your gas and electric supply has failed, How long before there were riots on the street.
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I'd be better off haha.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
I asked DALL-E to create an image representing this thread and it gave me this:
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I reckon @Chippy_boy is the one in the middle.
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Thanks for the link. I hadnt seen this one before and ended up messing about on it for about an hour last night! It's incredible how intuitive it is and how it met almost every brief I set for it... But its definitely a soulless endeavour. I would hate to think of talented artists or designers losing gigs and giving it up based on the advancement of AI, but its happened in other areas before.
 
abu13 said:
AI doesn't need to "kill us off", i think anyone who believes this is a long way off.

However a situation where AI could be used to bring down society could happen, just imagine you wake up one day and your bank account has been wiped out, your pension pot has gone, your gas and electric supply has failed, How long before there were riots on the street.
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I think your mixing up AI with the Tories
 
Manchester33 said:
I could read about this subject all day. It's so interesting.

This isn't necessarily for you (although I'm sure you'll find it an interesting read). But anyone who doubts how quickly we will reach superintelligent AI should have a look at this article.

This is the key sentence:

Because of the exponential growth (that we already see) in AI, we might see something that is 6 million times better than the currently most intelligent AI within 1 or 2 years.

Then something that is 36 TRILLION times more intelligent 1 or 2 years after that (The historic exponential growth in this area is faster than my example - so it's likely to be a much shorter timescale).

Superintelligent AI is around the corner, and anyone who can't see that is either uninformed or an ostrich.

Whether it will be good or bad is a completely different discussion - but feel free to bookmark this post. Within five years, AI will have changed our lives considerably more than any other 'invention'.
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That reads like you are equating the computing power to human intelligence. I.e it ia not 6 million times more intelligent than its predecessor, it is the computing of it that is stronger.

And the exponentialism only applies if there is infinite growth and resource, which at some point surely still gets limted by existing technology and 'library' of information to access.

Unless AI can generate its own technology and produce its own information, the exponential side should really only decline not increase, should it not?
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
I used DALL-E 3 which is now integrated into ChatGPT-4 for premium users. I use it basically every day. Best £20 I ever spent.

DALL-E 3 is the same model used by Bing. The big step forward that I can see is lettering (my image above got the text perfect which it never used to be able to do), and hands which now consistently look much more natural.

I’ve also been putting GPT-Vision through its paces. I was absolutely floored by how good it is. I uploaded a picture of my dog and asked it to guess his breed, it got it exactly right. I uploaded a photo of an average looking street from my holiday in Toulouse and asked it to guess where I took it. It guessed it exactly right first time. I took a picture of a little statue of Perseus I have in my office, it guessed who he was first time. I showed it a picture of a pile of books and told it to guess which subject I was studying, it got it first time. I gave it a screenshot of a video game, it told me the video game first time.

I’m admittedly the kind of person who is easily impressed by AI but I was astounded at its hit rate. It is literally already better than most humans at giving me information based on a picture alone.
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I find the image side of it much more impressive than ChatGDP or text based outputs. Particularly as the time to generate responses is almost equal.
 
Coatigan said:
I find the image side of it much more impressive than ChatGDP or text based outputs. Particularly as the time to generate responses is almost equal.
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Have a go at Pi AI perhaps? Instant, conversational like responses. https://pi.ai/talk

And if you have an iPhone, you can literally just talk to it and it talks back. I think it is absolutely incredible.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
Sam Altman has been fired:

openai.com

OpenAI announces leadership transition

Chief technology officer Mira Murati appointed interim CEO to lead OpenAI; Sam Altman departs the company. Search process underway to identify permanent successor.
openai.com

Strange development, and announcing on a Friday night... suggests maybe they're trying to bury the lede somewhat.
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Yeah, just heard about this.
But, although Open AI (and specifically Chat GPT) is huge news, I'm not 100% on the significance of Sam Altman's sacking.
 
somapop said:
Yeah, just heard about this.
But, although Open AI (and specifically Chat GPT) is huge news, I'm not 100% on the significance of Sam Altman's sacking.
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Nor am I. The statement raises more questions than answers, but it sounds like he has been deliberately concealing things from the board. What those things are and for what reason he chose to hide them is open to rampant speculation - which naturally the internet is already engaged in.

I think we will find out soon enough, whatever the case.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
Nor am I. The statement raises more questions than answers, but it sounds like he has been deliberately concealing things from the board. What those things are and for what reason he chose to hide them is open to rampant speculation - which naturally the internet is already engaged in.

I think we will find out soon enough, whatever the case.
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I might ask ChatGPT…
 
It's been seen as very, very sudden move. Things to note;

He's been ousted by the "not-for-profit" board. Rules work out that as few as three board members could oust him. There's a big tension regarding not-for-profit duties, and the making of deals in Silicon Valley. As well as selling 49% to MS, Open AI have recently been exploring raising further funding from for-profit organisations.

Funnily enough, Open AI could have delayed / potentially prevented a substantial tanking of Microsoft's stock by waiting another half an houir with the announcement. But the not-for-profit board have zero responsibility to MS (because they are a only minority shareholder).

Sam was speaking for Open AI just yesterday.

Recent timeline at Open AI is rocky;
6th Nov, Open AI announce new features.
9th Microsoft cut employees off from Chat GPT
9th-15th Major outages, attributed to 'DDS'

Other stuff about impending legal challenges regarding using copyright data to train the LLM's. Couple of incidents possibly look like Sam making unwise announcements.

There's also a lot of talk (very unhappy stuff) about his relationship with his poor sister. Recent high profile article on Sam was 25% almost exclusively about her. Loads of gossip, including "he's shadowbanned her using his position at other firms", also people saying other firms (X/Twitter) seem to have limited the spread of her story. Good summary here; https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDc...s-sister-annie-altman-claims-sam-has-severely
 
The way it looks now, there's a shake out, with some other figures resigning / leaving.

It's about the not-for-profit thing. Sama (as he is known) has pushed too far towards commercial goals for the board's liking.

Worth knowing this much; Open AI was formed by Sama, Elon Musk and others and backed heavily by Venture Capitalists as a way to stop Facebook/Google/Microsoft dominating AI. If it was only in the hands of those companies, then none of those people would get a look in. They made a not-for-profit company to keep opportunity open for other companies, they want a rich competitive scene that they can invest in.

For now, Open AI have a substantial lead, and the product is going global. But the lead is precarious. And they still need more funding just to keep delivering. This means for Sam, and for others, it's time to up the commercial side, make deals, and engage in other competitive behaviour.

Some of the dealings will have gone down very badly with the not-for-profit board, who are sworn to defend other goals. His recent appearance in front of Congress (if you know how rich and ambitious he is, you'd have balked at the balls on the guy trying to pretend he's an ideologically driven person -- he really did not appear like a truthful guy, and his appearance is widely taken as being about him seeking 'regulatory capture', trying to influence lawmakers to act in ways that would help secure Open AI's commercial future). Last few days, he invited Microsoft's CTO to the Open AI dev day - this is a massive cultural insult to open source devs. He's talked up "new" products that seemingly are being a bit rushed to market, when they clearly are still struggling a bit to deliver GPT reliably to existing customers.
 
Summerbuzz said:
The way it looks now, there's a shake out, with some other figures resigning / leaving.

It's about the not-for-profit thing. Sama (as he is known) has pushed too far towards commercial goals for the board's liking.

Worth knowing this much; Open AI was formed by Sama, Elon Musk and others and backed heavily by Venture Capitalists as a way to stop Facebook/Google/Microsoft dominating AI. If it was only in the hands of those companies, then none of those people would get a look in. They made a not-for-profit company to keep opportunity open for other companies, they want a rich competitive scene that they can invest in.

For now, Open AI have a substantial lead, and the product is going global. But the lead is precarious. And they still need more funding just to keep delivering. This means for Sam, and for others, it's time to up the commercial side, make deals, and engage in other competitive behaviour.

Some of the dealings will have gone down very badly with the not-for-profit board, who are sworn to defend other goals. His recent appearance in front of Congress (if you know how rich and ambitious he is, you'd have balked at the balls on the guy trying to pretend he's an ideologically driven person -- he really did not appear like a truthful guy, and his appearance is widely taken as being about him seeking 'regulatory capture', trying to influence lawmakers to act in ways that would help secure Open AI's commercial future). Last few days, he invited Microsoft's CTO to the Open AI dev day - this is a massive cultural insult to open source devs. He's talked up "new" products that seemingly are being a bit rushed to market, when they clearly are still struggling a bit to deliver GPT reliably to existing customers.
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I'll be honest - I don't really get their ownership structure.

The controlling group is a non-profit entity, but it manages the OpenAI Global company, which is a capped profit entity - allowing investors to (at most) 100x their investment.

I've heard people online suggest, as you have, that Sam has been bumped because he got a bit too Silicon Valley with the private capital interests. Then in the same threads I've seen other people speculating that he was fired for trying to protect OpenAI from a complete MS corporate takeover and that he's some hero of AI ethics.

Can't really see the wood for the trees at the moment.
 
This person on Reddit has presented an argument that is still speculative but makes a lot of sense (and is along the same lines as @Summerbuzz post)

Basically comes down to a conflict of when to start labelling an AI model as AGI, given OpenAI's charter has some very specific rules around what can be done commercially with such a product:


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I found these quotes from Altman, a few weeks before he was fired, to be INCREDIBLY insightful...



Quote: "I think there's a real moment of fear, which is like, is this a tool we've built or a creature we've built and what is that going to mean?"

A creature??? Wow.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I found these quotes from Altman, a few weeks before he was fired, to be INCREDIBLY insightful...



Quote: "I think there's a real moment of fear, which is like, is this a tool we've built or a creature we've built and what is that going to mean?"

A creature??? Wow.
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It’s all moving very quickly, which is scary.
 
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