moomba said:dctid said:Karma - they should have got something out of the game earlier i think we can all agree on that
Only if you consider the decisions that went against them on the day and ignore the ones that went against us.
One thing I'll give you is the Skrtel thing. How in God's fucking name does he get away with it game, after game, after game? Surely every fucking ref in the land knows about it now.BigOscar said:We've had the odd decision, here and there, as we have also had against us, but never so many massive ones in one game. 3 stonewall penalties and deliberately choosing to ignore the rules of the games with Suarez's second yellow is not just an honest mistake, it's clearly favouring one team. That's before you even get started on the yellow cards, soft freekicks, Skrtels constant shirt pulling and injury timemalg said:We've had a few decisions in our favour this year as well. I know feelings are still raw right now, but it is swings and roundabouts.
It's the Stoke thuggery/Rooney swearing at the ref problem. "If I give it every time then I'd be giving 20 penalties a game". Utter bullshit, players who consistently foul or abuse officials are allowed to do it, but if someone who doesn't do it usually does it once then they get leaped on.malg said:One thing I'll give you is the Skrtel thing. How in God's fucking name does he get away with it game, after game, after game? Surely every fucking ref in the land knows about it now.BigOscar said:We've had the odd decision, here and there, as we have also had against us, but never so many massive ones in one game. 3 stonewall penalties and deliberately choosing to ignore the rules of the games with Suarez's second yellow is not just an honest mistake, it's clearly favouring one team. That's before you even get started on the yellow cards, soft freekicks, Skrtels constant shirt pulling and injury timemalg said:We've had a few decisions in our favour this year as well. I know feelings are still raw right now, but it is swings and roundabouts.
It's like Fellaini. Everyone knows he is a disgusting player who is a serial elbower yet I can't remember him ever being sent off for it. Same for Charlie Adam, he can kick lumps out of anyone without punishment.malg said:One thing I'll give you is the Skrtel thing. How in God's fucking name does he get away with it game, after game, after game? Surely every fucking ref in the land knows about it now.BigOscar said:We've had the odd decision, here and there, as we have also had against us, but never so many massive ones in one game. 3 stonewall penalties and deliberately choosing to ignore the rules of the games with Suarez's second yellow is not just an honest mistake, it's clearly favouring one team. That's before you even get started on the yellow cards, soft freekicks, Skrtels constant shirt pulling and injury timemalg said:We've had a few decisions in our favour this year as well. I know feelings are still raw right now, but it is swings and roundabouts.
Esteban de la Sexface said:they aren't all against us. sometimes you just have to admit you just aren't good enough. we've lost all the games that counted this season bar the fizzy cup. chelsea at home. barca. wigan at home and now this.
dctid said:moomba said:dctid said:Karma - they should have got something out of the game earlier i think we can all agree on that
Only if you consider the decisions that went against them on the day and ignore the ones that went against us.
You need to look at it in the round over a number of games
The Silva offside against Southampton was ridiculas, Vinny commented on the Yaya dive.
We lost today simply because we played like a bunch of cnuts for the first 30 minutes. I and i suspect most City fans expect Pool to go for it in the first 30 minutes which they did and forwhatever reason we failed to hold them or match then both physically and in the work rate
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:dctid said:moomba said:Only if you consider the decisions that went against them on the day and ignore the ones that went against us.
You need to look at it in the round over a number of games
The Silva offside against Southampton was ridiculas, Vinny commented on the Yaya dive.
We lost today simply because we played like a bunch of cnuts for the first 30 minutes. I and i suspect most City fans expect Pool to go for it in the first 30 minutes which they did and forwhatever reason we failed to hold them or match then both physically and in the work rate
Every time we lose it's the refs fault. I've yet to read one post match thread where the ref isn't blamed when we don't take 3 points.
When a decision goes in our favour like the Silva offside last week, some will still not say we got lucky. It's fan blindness that's all clubs fans suffer from.
We got the bum deal today, we have had the rub of the green on occasion.
It's the defeats against Cardiff, Sunderland and Villa that will ultimately seal our fate. No side winning the league should lose against two relegation sides and one just above.
We've had more go against us which Have directly affected the result,biggest game of the season in the prem and Clattenberg shit it .malg said:We've had a few decisions in our favour this year as well. I know feelings are still raw right now, but it is swings and roundabouts.
I remember an incident a few seasons ago, coincidentally involving Liverpool, in their match against Sheffield United. Gerrard broke into the box and ran onto the ball, a Sheffield United defender slid in across Gerrard, who had to hurdle the challenge. The challenge missed both the ball and Gerrard, Gerrard was off balance and put his shot wide. The referee gave Liverpool a penalty. For me that was very reminiscent of Dzeko's today. The only reason Dzeko wasn;t taken out by Sakho was he leapt into the air to try and clear him, he didn't manage this and landed with his left leg on Sakho, at which point he (rather theatrically) fell to the floor. Should he have allowed Sakho to absolutely clean him out? Should have HAVE to do that for it to be a foul? Not for me.Prestwich_Blue said:The experts know fuck all to be honest. They talk about "contact" but that's not the test. It's intent.Boney said:even carragher at half time along with all the other 'so-called' experts said it was a pen.Barcon said:Anyone that doesn't think the Dzeko penalty was stonewall is just as bad as clattenberg.
Sakho missed the ball AND Dzeko. If he's caught him in that first movement then yes, penalty 100%. But he didn't and Dzeko sort of made contact as he was gong through then decided to fall. If he goes down as Sakho comes in then he'll get the penalty but he didn't.
jrb said:Millwallawayveteran1988 said:dctid said:You need to look at it in the round over a number of games
The Silva offside against Southampton was ridiculas, Vinny commented on the Yaya dive.
We lost today simply because we played like a bunch of cnuts for the first 30 minutes. I and i suspect most City fans expect Pool to go for it in the first 30 minutes which they did and forwhatever reason we failed to hold them or match then both physically and in the work rate
Every time we lose it's the refs fault. I've yet to read one post match thread where the ref isn't blamed when we don't take 3 points.
When a decision goes in our favour like the Silva offside last week, some will still not say we got lucky. It's fan blindness that's all clubs fans suffer from.
We got the bum deal today, we have had the rub of the green on occasion.
It's the defeats against Cardiff, Sunderland and Villa that will ultimately seal our fate. No side winning the league should lose against two relegation sides and one just above.
That's true.
But Suarez should have got a 2nd yellow for the dive. I was yards from the incident, row 13, and it was as clear as day.
As it stands, if a player dives and tries to win a penalty, it's a straight yellow. Suarez should have gone. Clattenburg bottled that decision. You could see the City players going up to him after the incident and having words.
BigOscar said:We've had the odd decision, here and there, as we have also had against us, but never so many massive ones in one game. 3 stonewall penalties and deliberately choosing to ignore the rules of the games with Suarez's second yellow is not just an honest mistake, it's clearly favouring one team. That's before you even get started on the yellow cards, soft freekicks, Skrtels constant shirt pulling and injury timemalg said:We've had a few decisions in our favour this year as well. I know feelings are still raw right now, but it is swings and roundabouts.
Chippy_boy said:BigOscar said:We've had the odd decision, here and there, as we have also had against us, but never so many massive ones in one game. 3 stonewall penalties and deliberately choosing to ignore the rules of the games with Suarez's second yellow is not just an honest mistake, it's clearly favouring one team. That's before you even get started on the yellow cards, soft freekicks, Skrtels constant shirt pulling and injury timemalg said:We've had a few decisions in our favour this year as well. I know feelings are still raw right now, but it is swings and roundabouts.
Come off it mate, the Dzeko pen can't be stone wall. Dezko successfully hurdled the challenge and then threw himself to the floor. Had he just allowed himself to be clattered, then it would doubtless have been given, but he didn't. It could have been given, but I could see why it wasn't and no way was it "stone wall'".
The Skyrtel handball was missed by 40,000 people, including all the City fans. So that's not a stone wall pen either. And the Silva one, was arguably a foul by Silva.
I am not saying none of them were pens, and perhaps we should have had one. But Vinny's manhandling of Suarez in the box went unpunished and could easily have been given.
I have no beef about the refereeing really, other than perhaps not sending Jaws off for diving, But how often do you see that happen? We know it's against the rules, but I can't remember a player getting a red for it.
We lost this because we allowed ourselves to go 2-0 down by playing like complete dicks for the first 35 minutes and then gifting them the winner. The ref didn't help us, but he didn't need to help them, we lost it all on our own.
Torres and various others. As for the Skrtel handabll not being a stonewall penalty because you didn't see it? Seriously? Intentionally handling the ball is a stonewall penalty, no doubt about it. As for Dzeko "falling over", he gets tripped by Sakho's corpse on the way down from hurdling the "challenge", again I don't see how that's anything but a stonewall penalty.Barcon said:Chippy_boy said:BigOscar said:We've had the odd decision, here and there, as we have also had against us, but never so many massive ones in one game. 3 stonewall penalties and deliberately choosing to ignore the rules of the games with Suarez's second yellow is not just an honest mistake, it's clearly favouring one team. That's before you even get started on the yellow cards, soft freekicks, Skrtels constant shirt pulling and injury time
Come off it mate, the Dzeko pen can't be stone wall. Dezko successfully hurdled the challenge and then threw himself to the floor. Had he just allowed himself to be clattered, then it would doubtless have been given, but he didn't. It could have been given, but I could see why it wasn't and no way was it "stone wall'".
The Skyrtel handball was missed by 40,000 people, including all the City fans. So that's not a stone wall pen either. And the Silva one, was arguably a foul by Silva.
I am not saying none of them were pens, and perhaps we should have had one. But Vinny's manhandling of Suarez in the box went unpunished and could easily have been given.
I have no beef about the refereeing really, other than perhaps not sending Jaws off for diving, But how often do you see that happen? We know it's against the rules, but I can't remember a player getting a red for it.
We lost this because we allowed ourselves to go 2-0 down by playing like complete dicks for the first 35 minutes and then gifting them the winner. The ref didn't help us, but he didn't need to help them, we lost it all on our own.
Bellamy
BigOscar said:Torres and various others. As for the Skrtel handabll not being a stonewall penalty because you didn't see it? Seriously? Intentionally handling the ball is a stonewall penalty, no doubt about it. As for Dzeko "falling over", he gets tripped by Sakho's corpse on the way down from hurdling the "challenge", again I don't see how that's anything but a stonewall penalty.Barcon said:Chippy_boy said:Come off it mate, the Dzeko pen can't be stone wall. Dezko successfully hurdled the challenge and then threw himself to the floor. Had he just allowed himself to be clattered, then it would doubtless have been given, but he didn't. It could have been given, but I could see why it wasn't and no way was it "stone wall'".
The Skyrtel handball was missed by 40,000 people, including all the City fans. So that's not a stone wall pen either. And the Silva one, was arguably a foul by Silva.
I am not saying none of them were pens, and perhaps we should have had one. But Vinny's manhandling of Suarez in the box went unpunished and could easily have been given.
I have no beef about the refereeing really, other than perhaps not sending Jaws off for diving, But how often do you see that happen? We know it's against the rules, but I can't remember a player getting a red for it.
We lost this because we allowed ourselves to go 2-0 down by playing like complete dicks for the first 35 minutes and then gifting them the winner. The ref didn't help us, but he didn't need to help them, we lost it all on our own.
Bellamy
BigOscar said:Torres and various others. As for the Skrtel handabll not being a stonewall penalty because you didn't see it? Seriously? Intentionally handling the ball is a stonewall penalty, no doubt about it. As for Dzeko "falling over", he gets tripped by Sakho's corpse on the way down from hurdling the "challenge", again I don't see how that's anything but a stonewall penalty.Barcon said:Chippy_boy said:Come off it mate, the Dzeko pen can't be stone wall. Dezko successfully hurdled the challenge and then threw himself to the floor. Had he just allowed himself to be clattered, then it would doubtless have been given, but he didn't. It could have been given, but I could see why it wasn't and no way was it "stone wall'".
The Skyrtel handball was missed by 40,000 people, including all the City fans. So that's not a stone wall pen either. And the Silva one, was arguably a foul by Silva.
I am not saying none of them were pens, and perhaps we should have had one. But Vinny's manhandling of Suarez in the box went unpunished and could easily have been given.
I have no beef about the refereeing really, other than perhaps not sending Jaws off for diving, But how often do you see that happen? We know it's against the rules, but I can't remember a player getting a red for it.
We lost this because we allowed ourselves to go 2-0 down by playing like complete dicks for the first 35 minutes and then gifting them the winner. The ref didn't help us, but he didn't need to help them, we lost it all on our own.
Bellamy
Chippy_boy said:BigOscar said:We've had the odd decision, here and there, as we have also had against us, but never so many massive ones in one game. 3 stonewall penalties and deliberately choosing to ignore the rules of the games with Suarez's second yellow is not just an honest mistake, it's clearly favouring one team. That's before you even get started on the yellow cards, soft freekicks, Skrtels constant shirt pulling and injury timemalg said:We've had a few decisions in our favour this year as well. I know feelings are still raw right now, but it is swings and roundabouts.
Come off it mate, the Dzeko pen can't be stone wall. Dezko successfully hurdled the challenge and then threw himself to the floor. Had he just allowed himself to be clattered, then it would doubtless have been given, but he didn't. It could have been given, but I could see why it wasn't and no way was it "stone wall'".
The Skyrtel handball was missed by 40,000 people, including all the City fans. So that's not a stone wall pen either. And the Silva one, was arguably a foul by Silva.
I am not saying none of them were pens, and perhaps we should have had one. But Vinny's manhandling of Suarez in the box went unpunished and could easily have been given.
I have no beef about the refereeing really, other than perhaps not sending Jaws off for diving, But how often do you see that happen? We know it's against the rules, but I can't remember a player getting a red for it.
We lost this because we allowed ourselves to go 2-0 down by playing like complete dicks for the first 35 minutes and then gifting them the winner. The ref didn't help us, but he didn't need to help them, we lost it all on our own.