Cheating Refs

Sick to the teeth of terrible ref decisions deciding the outcome of games,most been mentioned here second yellow for biter,pen not given to dzeko,skrtel punching the ball,and also skrtel again grabbing an oppenents shirt in the box,when kompany went for a header...
 
CityFan94 said:
I thought the ref was actually pretty good today.

He wasn't going to give a penalty today to either side unless it was a stonewall decision and I don't think any of them were.

Suarez probably should have been shown a second yellow for his dive, but Clattenberg definitively didn't cost us this result today.
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The only really stonewall penalty was the Skrtel handball but who saw that in real-time? Suarez could easily have gone and probably should have but I guess he's got to be 100% sure in a situation like that.

The Dzeko one he went down far too late and Sakho didn't really take him out. The one on Milner(?) was a closer call but still not stonewall.
 
Olivavu said:
City have been on the good end of poor decisions.

It happens in football.

At the Etihad, Sterling wasn't offside and Lescott was pulling Suarez's shirt in the box.

And if you think officials favour Liverpool, what about the Carroll goal last week?
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Mmm what about the foul on Carroll last week. Far and away the only clear penalty in that game.
 
There were a minimum of 5 mins stoppage time and about half of that was wasted by Liverpool. Yet the ref blows after 5 and a half minutes. Henderson wasted more than 30 seconds at the red card alone.
 
Well Suarez was fortunate not to pick up a second yellow for his constant diving and we should have had a penalty at the death for that Skrtl handball.

But I thought the Kompany-Suarez incident could easily have been a penalty. I don't think the Džekk one was a penalty and outside that the ref was fine.

Plus, there are many other things we can blame immediately close to home before we start whinging about the ref.
 
CityFan94 said:
The handball was hard to spot in normal time.

Clattenberg didn't have the option to view several replays of the incident. If he did, he would have given it.

He didn't cost us this game today. None of the 5 goals today had anything to do with a refereeing decision.
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Wake up, he cost us the game and possibly the title as a penalty would gave given us at least a point and the title would still be in our own hands.
 
The penalties could have gone either way. They all went one way, but if he was going to give those he would have had to give the Kompany one on Suarez.

The one there is no dispute whatsoever about is Suarez's dive. Demichelis didn't trip him, he went over looking for a free kick, it was a dive. Clattenberg saw it and should have given it.

Bottled it? Cheated? Who cares what you call it.

Liverpool should have played the last 35 minutes with 10 men. Who knows what would have happened, but Clattenberg denied us the chance to find out.
 
Christ almighty he was shit today. Some of our fans our looking anywhere for a scape goat other than Kompany though. Pelle is far to reactive rather than proactive.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
CityFan94 said:
I thought the ref was actually pretty good today.

He wasn't going to give a penalty today to either side unless it was a stonewall decision and I don't think any of them were.

Suarez probably should have been shown a second yellow for his dive, but Clattenberg definitively didn't cost us this result today.
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The only really stonewall penalty was the Skrtel handball but who saw that in real-time? Suarez could easily have gone and probably should have but I guess he's got to be 100% sure in a situation like that.

The Dzeko one he went down far too late and Sakho didn't really take him out. The one on Milner(?) was a closer call but still not stonewall.
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I never understand this when people say he has to be 100% sure whenever its a close decision. He was 100% sure to give the foul against him. He immediately blew for it and gave it to us. Everyone watching and every City players reaction knew it. Clatenburg's face knew it. If he wasn't 100% sure why did he give us the foul? Of course he was sure but there was no way was he going to invite controversy on himself and the media over analysis especially on this of all days that was Liverpool's. I have total empathy for what happened at Hilsborough, I queued for hours to lay a City scarf on the Anfield pitch the week after and will never forget the tributes I saw but the pressure on him to send Suarez of all players off the pitch with so much of the game left and then the consequential ban he would have received in their ever entitled run in was too immense a decision for him to make. He cheated and took the easier option. Sturridge went off injured and they would have been left with no natural forward and the next games would have been more difficult. Throw in Hendersons late card and Liverpool would have been up against it. Nothing short of disgraceful refereeing by Clatenburg but his decision means fuck all will be done. We're too fucking nice as a club and need to wise up both on and off the pitch. Kompany should have pulled Skertel's shirt off his back and not allowed him a free header.
 
To be honest to him, it's only Suarez's dive that was stonewall and inexcusable. He just had to go.

There was something in each of penalty claims, and all three were probably ones but I don't think any of them was easy to spot or to call in the real time.
 
CityFan94 said:
I thought the ref was actually pretty good today.

He wasn't going to give a penalty today to either side unless it was a stonewall decision and I don't think any of them were.

Suarez probably should have been shown a second yellow for his dive, but Clattenberg definitively didn't cost us this result today.
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To be honest to him, it's only Suarez's dive that was stonewall and inexcusable. He just had to go.

There was something in each of penalty claims, and all three were probably ones but I don't think any of them was easy to spot or to call in the real time.
 
KippaxCitizen said:
Well Suarez was fortunate not to pick up a second yellow for his constant diving and we should have had a penalty at the death for that Skrtl handball.

But I thought the Kompany-Suarez incident could easily have been a penalty. I don't think the Džekk one was a penalty and outside that the ref was fine.

Plus, there are many other things we can blame immediately close to home before we start whinging about the ref.
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Whilst I agree that we lost the game down to an individual mistake, the Dzeko shout was a stonewall penalty. Sakho lunged in and didn't get the ball meaning Dzeko had to get out of the way to stop himself from getting hurt. Its one of them where if Dzeko leaves a foot in or makes a meal of it then its a penalty every day of the week. Also when Neville, Carragher and Redknapp are all saying its a foul for City against Liverpool then somethings not right.
 
Barcon said:
Anyone that doesn't think the Dzeko penalty was stonewall is just as bad as clattenberg.
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even carragher at half time along with all the other 'so-called' experts said it was a pen.<br /><br />-- Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:14 pm --<br /><br />
Barcon said:
Anyone that doesn't think the Dzeko penalty was stonewall is just as bad as clattenberg.
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even carragher at half time along with all the other 'so-called' experts said it was a pen.
 
The ref was appalling today, Suarez off and the penalties. People justifying the handball and dzeko silva ones on not being 100% believe that if you will, you can't have 3/4 strong cases and not get one. The worst of the lot for me was the set piece before the handball where skrtel is all over kompany two hands pulling him. That's not being 100% that's cheating or terrible refereeing as everyone knows what he gets up to on corners and any ref worth his salt knows what he does and what to look for. Shocking
 
Blue2112 said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
CityFan94 said:
I thought the ref was actually pretty good today.

He wasn't going to give a penalty today to either side unless it was a stonewall decision and I don't think any of them were.

Suarez probably should have been shown a second yellow for his dive, but Clattenberg definitively didn't cost us this result today.
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The only really stonewall penalty was the Skrtel handball but who saw that in real-time? Suarez could easily have gone and probably should have but I guess he's got to be 100% sure in a situation like that.

The Dzeko one he went down far too late and Sakho didn't really take him out. The one on Milner(?) was a closer call but still not stonewall.
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I never understand this when people say he has to be 100% sure whenever its a close decision. He was 100% sure to give the foul against him. He immediately blew for it and gave it to us. Everyone watching and every City players reaction knew it. Clatenburg's face knew it. If he wasn't 100% sure why did he give us the foul?
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He didn't have to be 100% to give foul or dive. It's a decision he has to make one way or the other. Even if it's 50/50 he still has to decide what to do.

It's a bit like the difference between civil and criminal courts (slightly over-simplified):

In a civil court you decide on the 'balance of probabilities'. You weigh up the evidence and decide which is more likely. eg. foul or dive.

In a criminal court you have to be sure 'beyond reasonable doubt'. So even if you think he's guilty, you don't give the decision unless you are completely sure. You could be 70% sure, but have some doubt, so you don't give the decision.

If Clattenburg KNEW it was a dive, then he bottled it, but if he wasn't sure, then he gave the right decision.
 
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