Ched Evans - serious injury

M18CTID said:
Very good post Peter.

With regards to point 5, I don't believe people should apologise if it turns out that he didn't do it. However, I do believe that a lot of people - many of those that signed that petition for example - have no knowledge of this case and just see the words "Ched Evans convicted of rape" and think he couldn't possibly be innocent. My sister has lived in Sheffield for 30 years and it's a sensitive subject there. She signed the petition but didn't have any idea of the circumstances surrounding the case until myself and the other half told her some of the things that were out in the public domain and how this was a classic case where the jury could've given a verdict either way.

That of course doesn't mean he definitely isn't guilty but I've always been uncomfortable with this conviction, not least because no rape was ever reported and the police and CPS have effectively decided one took place.
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M18CTID said:
Very good post Peter.

With regards to point 5, I don't believe people should apologise if it turns out that he didn't do it. However, I do believe that a lot of people - many of those that signed that petition for example - have no knowledge of this case and just see the words "Ched Evans convicted of rape" and think he couldn't possibly be innocent. My sister has lived in Sheffield for 30 years and it's a sensitive subject there. She signed the petition but didn't have any idea of the circumstances surrounding the case until myself and the other half told her some of the things that were out in the public domain and how this was a classic case where the jury could've given a verdict either way.

That of course doesn't mean he definitely isn't guilty but I've always been uncomfortable with this conviction, not least because no rape was ever reported and the police and CPS have effectively decided one took place.
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The big issue in this is a lot of stuff in the public domain was put out there by a concerted campaign and some of this was done illegally and much wasn't tested by the court. Using any of this which comes from anything other than the court case and transcripts is as equally wrong as signing a petition in ignorance.

This case has been very troubling in many ways not least there has been an abhorrent and often illegal continued attack on the victim to a level I have never seen. Ched has shown himself to be an appalling human being and to have had no regard to consent or even the law regardless of outcome.

If you took your sister through the facts from the court then fair enough, if you took her through what ched has put out there how is that any different to the ridiculous and OTT Twitter campaign to stop him playing which have both been pure propaganda

I understand your position as we've discussed a lot and I know you aren't one who has consistently attacked the victim or said h is a good lad btw
 
EalingBlue2 said:
The big issue in this is a lot of stuff in the public domain was put out there by a concerted campaign and some of this was done illegally and much wasn't tested by the court. Using any of this which comes from anything other than the court case and transcripts is as equally wrong as signing a petition in ignorance.

This case has been very troubling in many ways not least there has been an abhorrent and often illegal continued attack on the victim to a level I have never seen. Ched has shown himself to be an appalling human being and to have had no regard to consent or even the law regardless of outcome.

If you took your sister through the facts from the court then fair enough, if you took her through what ched has put out there how is that any different to the ridiculous and OTT Twitter campaign to stop him playing which have both been pure propaganda

I understand your position as we've discussed a lot and I know you aren't one who has consistently attacked the victim or said h is a good lad btw
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Well I certainly wasn't referring to the Ched Evans website so yes, I talked her through what the stuff the media reported directly from the courts. There's enough there for me to believe that there's reasonable doubt but the jury obviously saw it differently.
 
If you spend time in jail, and you can prove you are innocent, then you can sue.

But what new evidence he has to be strong enoigh to win a re-trial. He may not have a case that strong, who knows? But if he can football again on the back of a redemption of character (to what degree?). Clubs think he is toxic, public outcry whenever signing him was considered.

In all honesty, he was never a great player and all this time out can"t have done him any good. At beast he can hope for Conference football or maybe league 2 at a push
 
NipHolmes said:
If you spend time in jail, and you can prove you are innocent, then you can sue.

But what new evidence he has to be strong enoigh to win a re-trial. He may not have a case that strong, who knows? But if he can football again on the back of a redemption of character (to what degree?). Clubs think he is toxic, public outcry whenever signing him was considered.

In all honesty, he was never a great player and all this time out can"t have done him any good. At beast he can hope for Conference football or maybe league 2 at a push
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29 goals in 36 games in League 1, 5 goals in 4 FA Cup games at the age of 23 the season he was convicted, think it would be fair to assume he could have had a good career in the championship. Probably be in the Wales side as well.
 
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