Chelsea (a) post match thread

blueinsa said:
Someone needs to say it as it was.

Mancini like Pellegrini had one decent season and the rest was mainly fucking turgid. It wasn't that long ago not to remember the crap performances and defeats yet its like history is being re written on here yet again.

Fans constantly longing for his return are a complete fucking embarrassment and i will tell you why. Not a fucking peep from any of them when things are going well, not one peep yet as soon as we lose a game they are back on moaning and whining.

Some are far more interested in being proven right on an internet forum at times than they are City doing whats required and moving forwards.

We played well last night. Some of the attacking play is on a different level to anything else seen in this league and but for some lax finishing and the final ball, we are not far off. Kun, Sane, Jesus, Sterling, KdB, Merlin gracing the pitch yet its moan fucking moan. "Should have backed Bobby" is the cry yet you all forget one thing. he would have spunked money on Van Persie and whilst it might have won a league, we can only guess he too would have been gone now and those players mentioned Merlin and Kun aside probably wouldn't be here and we would be watching the Ballotelli show week in week out or at least we would when he wasn't suspended.

We need new full backs, a keeper and a dominant CM. We can all see it, we have all said it and we have all acknowledged it will happen this summer when several contracts are up and players will leave that are just no longer up to it. What do you want Pep to do in the meantime? Play players he doesn't have? Chelsea barely mustered a shot 2nd half last night and but for a deflection and some poor goalkeeping and a lucky deflection yet again off the penalty save they have actually done fuck all. They didn't out play us, we out played them for large periods yet some just dont want to see it.

Pep came in and said we are going to change the mentality of the club. Not just the tam, the club and he said on several occasions its going to take time. We are competing against clubs with decades of experience at the very top when in reality we have been there for a few years. We went unbeaten at the start of the season but he kept telling us we would lose game, lots of games and he has been proven right. Maybe he knew then the quality in the squad wasn't of the required standard? He told us it wasn't a quick fix and that his job would take several years. Did anyone actually listen to what he said or was it in one ear and out the other?

Best owner in world football, some of the best talent in world football and without a doubt, the best manager in world football as shown by his record and for those that will harp on its easy when you are with Barca and Bayern, his job here is to turn us into those same sort of elite clubs that for the next 50 years will dominate the game because he has changed our mentality into the same as theirs. Winners!

The fans also need to change their mentality. Its not all about the next game or the next few weeks. it will take time but it will happen because everything our owner planned for when he came in and promised he has delivered and in Pep, he will deliver once more. If you cant see the improvements being made within the club as a whole i feel sorry for you. if you cant see what he is trying to do out on the pitch i feel sorry for you. Pragmatism is thown around here like confetti. You want pragmatism? Watch a Mourinho side or a Pulis side because that's pragmatism. Turgid, crap anti football that harps back to the days of muddy pitches, big lad up front and shouts of "get rid" from the sidelines and "get it up to the big man up front".

No fucking thanks because we are better than that and it might win the odd battle but it wont win the war because we will win the war.

Finally refs and linesmen are screwing us over every single game. See that for what it is and accept it and instead or turning on the team, direct some of that anger at them because they are costing us big time. Such fine lines in football and this season we have been royally fucked over and its costs us so many points its untrue. We get what we where due and the league table looks very different and the mood on here is very different. Its not Peps fault they are bent, nor is it Merlin's or Raheem's and like us, the players are fucked off with it as well but its a battle right now and we all have to take the fight to them and win the war.

Its a passionate game and we all love this club but some of the stuff written after a defeat is cringe worthy and downright disrespectful.
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Post of the season!
 
Father Paul said:
Lets hope he is right but it is all aspirational stuff which may or may not transpire. You could just as easily construct an argument pointing to the flaws in Pep's footballing philosophy particularly when placed in an English context. Flaws which while never fully exposed in Germany did manifest themselves in his Euro campaigns with Bayern.
Pep deserves a chance to shut up the critics put he does not deserve to be above criticism.
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I certainly agree that Pep shouldn`t be above criticism.However some Blues cannot understand that even he can`t mend a broken item in his first season and to make matters worse he did inherit some shite defenders.
This is going to be a long term fix and not one season,something some Blues cannot see.
 
blueinsa said:
Someone needs to say it as it was.

Mancini like Pellegrini had one decent season and the rest was mainly fucking turgid. It wasn't that long ago not to remember the crap performances and defeats yet its like history is being re written on here yet again.

Fans constantly longing for his return are a complete fucking embarrassment and i will tell you why. Not a fucking peep from any of them when things are going well, not one peep yet as soon as we lose a game they are back on moaning and whining.

Some are far more interested in being proven right on an internet forum at times than they are City doing whats required and moving forwards.

We played well last night. Some of the attacking play is on a different level to anything else seen in this league and but for some lax finishing and the final ball, we are not far off. Kun, Sane, Jesus, Sterling, KdB, Merlin gracing the pitch yet its moan fucking moan. "Should have backed Bobby" is the cry yet you all forget one thing. he would have spunked money on Van Persie and whilst it might have won a league, we can only guess he too would have been gone now and those players mentioned Merlin and Kun aside probably wouldn't be here and we would be watching the Ballotelli show week in week out or at least we would when he wasn't suspended.

We need new full backs, a keeper and a dominant CM. We can all see it, we have all said it and we have all acknowledged it will happen this summer when several contracts are up and players will leave that are just no longer up to it. What do you want Pep to do in the meantime? Play players he doesn't have? Chelsea barely mustered a shot 2nd half last night and but for a deflection and some poor goalkeeping and a lucky deflection yet again off the penalty save they have actually done fuck all. They didn't out play us, we out played them for large periods yet some just dont want to see it.

Pep came in and said we are going to change the mentality of the club. Not just the tam, the club and he said on several occasions its going to take time. We are competing against clubs with decades of experience at the very top when in reality we have been there for a few years. We went unbeaten at the start of the season but he kept telling us we would lose game, lots of games and he has been proven right. Maybe he knew then the quality in the squad wasn't of the required standard? He told us it wasn't a quick fix and that his job would take several years. Did anyone actually listen to what he said or was it in one ear and out the other?

Best owner in world football, some of the best talent in world football and without a doubt, the best manager in world football as shown by his record and for those that will harp on its easy when you are with Barca and Bayern, his job here is to turn us into those same sort of elite clubs that for the next 50 years will dominate the game because he has changed our mentality into the same as theirs. Winners!

The fans also need to change their mentality. Its not all about the next game or the next few weeks. it will take time but it will happen because everything our owner planned for when he came in and promised he has delivered and in Pep, he will deliver once more. If you cant see the improvements being made within the club as a whole i feel sorry for you. if you cant see what he is trying to do out on the pitch i feel sorry for you. Pragmatism is thown around here like confetti. You want pragmatism? Watch a Mourinho side or a Pulis side because that's pragmatism. Turgid, crap anti football that harps back to the days of muddy pitches, big lad up front and shouts of "get rid" from the sidelines and "get it up to the big man up front".

No fucking thanks because we are better than that and it might win the odd battle but it wont win the war because we will win the war.

Finally refs and linesmen are screwing us over every single game. See that for what it is and accept it and instead or turning on the team, direct some of that anger at them because they are costing us big time. Such fine lines in football and this season we have been royally fucked over and its costs us so many points its untrue. We get what we where due and the league table looks very different and the mood on here is very different. Its not Peps fault they are bent, nor is it Merlin's or Raheem's and like us, the players are fucked off with it as well but its a battle right now and we all have to take the fight to them and win the war.

Its a passionate game and we all love this club but some of the stuff written after a defeat is cringe worthy and downright disrespectful.
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Absolutely
 
asahartford1 said:
Main issue at present is the number of players in the box as the last pass is made. One [Aguero] sometimes Two.

Needs to be 3 or 4. Then when pass not perfect or a deflection, there are forwsrds to take advantage.

One thing making the pitch big so you retain possession but you also need plenty of people in the box.

Sometimes it looks like the aim is to retain possession rather than score a goal.
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^^^this. Every time we put numbers into the box to match Chelsea we created scoring chances, the problem is that we only seem willing to do it at set pieces, when it happens in open play it almost feels accidental.
 
aguero93:20 said:
^^^this. Every time we put numbers into the box to match Chelsea we created scoring chances, the problem is that we only seem willing to do it at set pieces, when it happens in open play it almost feels accidental.
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Absolutely.

We bemoan our wide men constantly stopping to cut it back inside but its because we have no one in the box.

Kun is often stood outside after running back form half way where he went to get it in the first place and we have no midfield runners busting the gut to get in there after Gundog got injured.

Everything is through the middle it feels and outside of the box and players have to do far more.
 
The problem for me last night was that nobody was running from deep and beyond Kun. Sane did when he went inside, but David, Ferny or Delph didn't. You need those players breaking the lines to create the space and unsettle the defence. For all our possession, Chelsea were comfortable in the second half.
 
chedlee said:
I suspect that if you asked any of the Chelsea defence if they thought it was easy last night they would disagree. If you asked Conte if he thought it was easy as he was fretting on the touchline the whole of the second half he would also take exception. If you asked the nervous Chelsea fans desperate for the final whistle if they thought it was easy, again, they would say otherwise.

Chelsea defended well, as they have all season, and we still managed to carve out some decent chances and on another night one or more would go in.
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There was a chance from a set piece and the Fernandinho chance that was offside and was scrappy (and may have been indirectly from a set piece?). I know all chances count but my point is about our general play in that second half. I can't believe anyone would think that the tempo of the passing and movement was quick, it wasn't, it was mostly fairly slow. Certainly the word "carve" is an interesting one because we didn't really carve them open or open them up with any incisive play in that second half. I know what we can be like as an attacking force, quick passing, wonderful movement and that wasn't what I saw in the second half. I think the difficulty with judging our performances is that we always tend to have so much possession that it is difficult to say that we weren't the better team last night but what I saw was a relatively comfortable Chelsea win towards the end but yes I am sure they were also worried towards the end because there was only one goal in it and we have quality players who can change a match in a second, they just didn't and didn't actually look terribly likely to IMO. I didn't think last night was a terrible performance but I think we can play much much better.
 
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