Chelsea Thread 2014/15

Blue Punter said:
Manchester33 said:
Blue Punter said:
Always makes me cringe when people say "I've watched.. ABC" and "Never seen XYZ" in the same sentence. (unless they're talking about Martin Fry and his pals).

There's two people on this thread who've posted that they've encountered similar stuff involving City fans on trams to Schalke & Humburg. I've seen it myself on the way to Munich.

Just because you've been fortunate enough to avoid seeing it first hand doesn't mean it's never happened.

I'm 43 and can remember plenty of casual, throwaway racism towards black players in the North & Main stands at Maine Road.


I was probably on the same carriage as those people at those games - singing 10 German bombers isn't racist, by any means. How is that comparable to shoving someone off a train because they're black and singing 'we're racist and that's the way we like it'. Remember, these are the fans that boo'd Anton and Rio Ferdinand for one of them being racially abused by there scumbag captain and the same club who've had to hand out banning orders to numerous fans for making monkey gestures at black players as recently as last season. No other club is on a par with Chelsea in regards to racism, and if you think otherwise & you're just joining in this stupid 'we're all as bad as each other/every club has dodgy fans' then you are plain wrong.

It's also worth noting that one of those posters above who's mentioned City fans being racist complains about other city fans on a regular basis. I wouldn't take what they say seriously.

I never said 'we're all as bad as each other/every club has dodgy fans'.

I challenged your assertion that just because you've never encountered it, means that it doesn't exist.


Fair enough, I never said it doesn't exist at City but it is incredibly uncommon and we as a club haven't got any affiliation or link to being a racist set off fans. The same can't be said about Chelsea.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Manchester33 said:
Blue Punter said:
Always makes me cringe when people say "I've watched.. ABC" and "Never seen XYZ" in the same sentence. (unless they're talking about Martin Fry and his pals).

There's two people on this thread who've posted that they've encountered similar stuff involving City fans on trams to Schalke & Humburg. I've seen it myself on the way to Munich.

Just because you've been fortunate enough to avoid seeing it first hand doesn't mean it's never happened.

I'm 43 and can remember plenty of casual, throwaway racism towards black players in the North & Main stands at Maine Road.


I was probably on the same carriage as those people at those games - singing 10 German bombers isn't racist, by any means. How is that comparable to shoving someone off a train because they're black and singing 'we're racist and that's the way we like it'. Remember, these are the fans that boo'd Anton and Rio Ferdinand for one of them being racially abused by there scumbag captain and the same club who've had to hand out banning orders to numerous fans for making monkey gestures at black players as recently as last season. No other club is on a par with Chelsea in regards to racism, and if you think otherwise & you're just joining in this stupid 'we're all as bad as each other/every club has dodgy fans' then you are plain wrong.

It's also worth noting that one of those posters above who's mentioned City fans being racist complains about other city fans on a regular basis. I wouldn't take what they say seriously.
I was on a train back from a game at Middlesbrough on St Patricks Day a few seasons ago and there were a group of City fans who attacked an Irish lad. These were middle-aged men who were singing Munich songs, anti-IRA songs, etc. You may not have seen anyone racially abused like that but you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that all City fans are angels, as much as we'd all like to think they are. There are over 40,000 who regularly attend games and some will be thugs, racists, alcoholics, drug addicts, etc.
Don't call me an addict.
 
Their fans probably are the worst in England for it, some are openly racist, West Ham not far behind either. My Mum said it was a billion times worse in the 70's (silly fucker is a Chelsea fan) . Still though it's a minority and a million times better than some of the Eastern European countries
 
mosssideblue said:
Moronic behaviour, but with the decent footage it should be easy to identify them and what punishment they will get, goodness knows.

I don't think much will be done. There are plenty of videos flying around about the seeing Jew songs and pro Adolf Hitler but nothing is done at the club, it's all in the roots. I don't think Abramovich has ever banned a Chelsea fan for that sort of behaviour
 
Anyone think that Chelsea performance last night looked leggy? They have seemed well off the pace since beating swansea well. Some of there top players look shattered ie hazard, fabregas,costa (last night) even matic to a degree! Got a fes players dragging them through at the min ivanovic and terry are playing immense and the left full back! Just grinding results out at the moment! Here's hoping they just progress past psg then get a gruelling 2 legger against athletico! Im sure we'll be the stronger and fresher come the final furlong and may just have enough to pip them! Also hoping for a morale sopping defeat against the spuds at Wembley a week on Sunday!
 
Manchester33 said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
Manchester33 said:
I was probably on the same carriage as those people at those games - singing 10 German bombers isn't racist, by any means. How is that comparable to shoving someone off a train because they're black and singing 'we're racist and that's the way we like it'. Remember, these are the fans that boo'd Anton and Rio Ferdinand for one of them being racially abused by there scumbag captain and the same club who've had to hand out banning orders to numerous fans for making monkey gestures at black players as recently as last season. No other club is on a par with Chelsea in regards to racism, and if you think otherwise & you're just joining in this stupid 'we're all as bad as each other/every club has dodgy fans' then you are plain wrong.

It's also worth noting that one of those posters above who's mentioned City fans being racist complains about other city fans on a regular basis. I wouldn't take what they say seriously.
I was on a train back from a game at Middlesbrough on St Patricks Day a few seasons ago and there were a group of City fans who attacked an Irish lad. These were middle-aged men who were singing Munich songs, anti-IRA songs, etc. You may not have seen anyone racially abused like that but you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that all City fans are angels, as much as we'd all like to think they are. There are over 40,000 who regularly attend games and some will be thugs, racists, alcoholics, drug addicts, etc.

Firstly, I've never once said anything about all city fans being 'angels', it's just an obvious fact that we don't have any sizable racist element to our fan-base. If you were talking about drugs/fighting, then I'd say we have got problems with that in our fan-base, but not racism.

Also, anyone can say what they like on here about fans that did this and that, well howcome it always seems to be the same fans that actually get caught doing it? I take it no one in Hamburg/Munich/Shalke/Boro had a telephone to record City fans being racist, or the papers just don't deem it newsworthy when any other teams fans do it, but the one time Chelsea do it they're dead unlucky and it gets put all over the news? Maybe it's a campaign against Chelsea like Jose keeps telling us, or maybe it's because a very large chunk of them think singling out, and racially abusing someone who was doing nothing wrong is acceptable.

Put it this way, if I said to you 'Do Chelsea have a more racist fan-base than the majority of other teams in England' you would say yes, unless you were arguing for the sake of arguing.

I wouldn't answer "Yes" because I have no idea. We know only what gets printed/broadcast. We know they had a supposedly racist player in JT - who is the local hero - and therefore make assumptions. Previously, I had always assumed that Millwall had the most racist fans, but, for all I know, it could be Wigan. I've heard plenty of racist comments at City - both Maine Rd and the Etihad - and witnessed plenty of loud, boorish behaviour by our brave fans as they upset and disturb innocent travellers on public transport. We just have to hope that, whenever it - racism - comes to the surface, it gets dealt with.
Chelsea need to do the decent thing and give some compensation to the victim.
 
Dubai Blue said:
Exeter Blue I am here said:
Ric said:
Agreed. Those in the video are vile c**ts, but it's wrong to castigate all Chelsea fans for it. We'd be livid if a small group of City fans did it, and we were all tarred with the same brush. There's a wider issue that needs to be addressed, rather than making it club specific.

Having sat on a tram bound for Schalke's ground a few years ago, as a group of City fans treated everyone to 20 minutes of non-stop tedious racism about Krauts, Nazis, the war etc etc, I'd say we aren't best placed to throw stones. That said Chelsea have always had a large knobhead element........
Sounds like the same twats I shared a carriage with on the way to Hamburg away.

And probably the same lot I came across after the Hamburg game on the way to the metro station, as I overtook them they were coming out with all sorts of racist crap, mostly aimed at Benjani and African footballers in general. I made a comment to them and got the expected abuse back. No doubt they were delighted when Yaya signed.
 

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