Chelsea Thread - 2021/22

[give it to gordon]

Uhm, how much are you prepared to offer?

He was asking for a friend

 

[M18CTID]

Never understand the gloating when a team may go under. The fans are just fans and to lose there team would be a horrible thing to happen because you can never replace your team.
im no fan of chelsea, at all, their fans can be as cunty as anyone, but no way would i want them gone.

i just imagine how id feel if City disappeared

Not sure anyone is wanting them to "go under" - just a bit of piss taking at a possible downturn in their fortunes. After all, they took the piss out of us over losing last season's CL Final. Football fans will always take the piss out of each other and as bad as this may look for Chelsea, I can't see them being liquidated. Worst case scenario would be administration and a points deduction, and once a sale is agreed they can start afresh. In terms of where they might end up, I'm guessing that it will be no worse than lower-mid table in the Premier League and once they get their shit together they'll improve from thereon in.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Fuck em, hope there’s a fire sale, get Kante to replace Fernandinho. After the CL final and the shot they gave KDB and Aguero, karma.

 

[Keeper!]

Just goes to show how life changes in an instant and why you should never take life for granted.

 

[kippaxwarrior]

Who do potential buyers negotiate with?

The club can be sold though Abramovich however he has to prove to the government he will not receive a single penny from the sale.

If not no one can buy the club until at least 31st May. That's when the special licence Chelsea are under expires.

After that no one really knows what will happen as it's up to the government to decide what's going to happen to the club

 

[M18CTID]

It's not really that hard to understand.

The UK government have identified Abramovich of having extremely close ties with The Kremlin and the Russian government. One of his companies supply steel to the Russian government to make tanks.

As a result the UK government have seized all of his UK assets to stop him from making money in The UK.

Chelsea football club is one of his UK assets

Yep. You can't make exceptions for one of his assets just because it's a football club. In any case, I think the government has actually gone and made an exception of sorts and done as much as they can in order for Chelsea FC to keep playing matches and allowing at least their season ticket holders to watch them. If it was any other business, they might well have just ordered them to stop operating instead.

 

[vmsuhail]

It's not really that hard to understand.

The UK government have identified Abramovich of having extremely close ties with The Kremlin and the Russian government. One of his companies supply steel to the Russian government to make tanks.

As a result the UK government have seized all of his UK assets to stop him from making money in The UK.

Chelsea football club is one of his UK assets

Ok, then why are the sponsors (Nike, 3) leaving or allowed to terminate contracts ? It's still an indirect link (providing steel which may be used to built tanks). Why not it be extended to find Sheikh Mansour's link to Abu Dhabi ruling family who are involved in war in Yemen and had a role in Libyan civil war ? Wasn't there a leaked email of Simon Pearce to UAE ministers ? Where is the line drawn ?

 

[cheekybids]

Never understand the gloating when a team may go under. The fans are just fans and to lose there team would be a horrible thing to happen because you can never replace your team.
im no fan of chelsea, at all, their fans can be as cunty as anyone, but no way would i want them gone.

i just imagine how id feel if City disappeared

i agree but there are 2 I’d rejoice in & they are either end of the east lancs.

 

[carlosthejackal]

They are either sold or they stop trading at the end of the season , apparently they have two months funding , maybe that could change if Nike pull out , very good chance they fold before the end of the season.

 

[M18CTID]

Ok, then why are the sponsors (Nike, 3) leaving or allowed to terminate contracts ? It's still an indirect link (providing steel which may be used to built tanks). Why not it be extended to find Sheikh Mansour's link to Abu Dhabi ruling family who are involved in war in Yemen and had a role in Libyan civil war ? Wasn't there a leaked email of Simon Pearce to UAE ministers ? Where is the line drawn ?

The line was drawn when Putin's Russia invaded Ukraine in what was arguably the most naked act of aggression since Hitler's Germany invaded Poland in 1939 which has led to worldwide condemnation and wide-reaching sanctions being imposed.

The conflict in Yemen - as ugly as it is - isn't the same regardless of how much the anti-City dickhead journalists would try and have us believe. The UAE haven't invaded Yemen - as far as I know, they (and Saudi Arabia) are there at the request of the Yemeni government and are also backed by the most powerful Western nations on earth. Moreover, the UAE doesn't have a lunatic at the helm with access to enough nucleur weapons to destroy the world many times over.

In short, unlike Abramovich City's majority owner isn't getting sanctioned by the UK government. Not now. Not ever.

 

[kippaxwarrior]

Ok, then why are the sponsors (Nike, 3) leaving or allowed to terminate contracts ? It's still an indirect link (providing steel which may be used to built tanks). Why not it be extended to find Sheikh Mansour's link to Abu Dhabi ruling family who are involved in war in Yemen and had a role in Libyan civil war ? Wasn't there a leaked email of Simon Pearce to UAE ministers ? Where is the line drawn ?

First of all I really don't know that much about the war in Yemen and I don't want derail a thread about Chelsea talking about politics. There's plenty of threads in off topic and politics with posters who are more clued up than me discussing this.

Your second point about the sponsors I can answer as working in retail for 30 years I can take you excalty why.

The reason is it's that it's potentially brand damaging for those companies.

Ask yourself why have multi billion pound companies like McDonald's and Starbucks have closed in Russia? Because at this moment in time any company trading in Russia or any company who have deal with a Russian businessman or company with ties to the Kremlin will be feeling uncomfortable and they do not want their brand associated with these people as it could damage their reputation with their customers

 

[M18CTID]

They are either sold or they stop trading at the end of the season , apparently they have two months funding , maybe that could change if Nike pull out , very good chance they fold before the end of the season.

They need to make it until the end of the season. If they do and manage to agree a sale then they'll be ok going forward I reckon, albeit having suffered a lot of damage in the meantime. It'll be tight but there might be a way of functioning until then. Players deferring part of their wages perhaps?

 

[vmsuhail]

The line was drawn when Putin's Russia invaded Ukraine in what was arguably the most naked act of aggression since Hitler's Germany invaded Poland in 1939 which has led to worldwide condemnation and wide-reaching sanctions being imposed.

The conflict in Yemen - as ugly as it is - isn't the same regardless of how much the anti-City dickhead journalists would try and have us believe. The UAE haven't invaded Yemen - as far as I know, they (and Saudi Arabia) are there at the request of the Yemeni government and are also backed by the most powerful Western nations on earth. Moreover, the UAE doesn't have a lunatic at the helm with access to enough nucleur weapons to destroy the world many times over.

In short, unlike Abramovich City's majority owner isn't getting sanctioned by the UK government. Not now. Not ever.

I get the wars are different. One final question. What UK laws did Abramovich violate by having indirect links to a war happening miles away from your shores ? If it is just the 'fit-and-proper' person test, isn't it enough to force him to sell ? Why make the club suffer ?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I get the wars are different. One final question. What UK laws did Abramovich violate by having indirect links to a war happening miles away from your shores ? If it is just the 'fit-and-proper' person test, isn't it enough to force him to sell ? Why make the club suffer ?

If it's the fit and proper person thing then he's no less fit now than when he was allowed to buy the club surely?

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

I feel sorry for Chelsea supporters who have put a lot of time and money into the club over the years. It's ok saying "they chanted Roman's name so fuck 'em" - bla bla bla. Only a tiny minority did at Burnley. Chances are if it was us in a similar situation a few would most probably have sang Sheikh Mansour's name.

It would be a sad day for football if Chelsea fold and not a day I'll celebrate with glee.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

 

[kippaxwarrior]

I get the wars are different. One final question. What UK laws did Abramovich violate by having indirect links to a war happening miles away from your shores ? If it is just the 'fit-and-proper' person test, isn't it enough to force him to sell ? Why make the club suffer ?

First of all when Abramovich took over Chelsea there was no fit and proper test.

Second we can't explain it any clearer. The UK government do not want Abramovich making money in The UK due to his links with The Kremlin so they have frozen all the assets in the UK. Chelsea football club is an asset.

The government can't say "You can still make money with Chelsea but nothing else in the UK"

They had to go all in on him

 

[Bantamgaz]

They won’t fold they will be sold on within the next couple of months and carry on as normal ............. ain’t they now self sufficient????? If he’s hardly putting money in now then why can’t the new owners do the same ????

 

[give it to gordon]

Do Chelsea when sold have to pay back all the loans to RB ?

If Chelsea don't pay them back would that put them in breach of FFP as RB would have put money directly into Chelsea.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

The only way Chelsea are getting sold is if Abramovich agrees to walk away from his entire investment such as the initial purchase price and the 1.5bn loans sat on the books but not being paid. Otherwise it will remain a frozen asset.

He might agree to this as there is no possibility of his UK assets being unfrozen for years or decades to come. There is no possible outcome in the Ukraine conflict whereby all sanctions will be dropped against Russia, even if there is some sort of ceasefire/conflict freeze as has happened with Crimea and the Eastern regions. This is going to be ongoing for the foreseeable future.