Chelsea Thread - 2021/22

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Gus Cruz said:
Can we stop pretending that winning the Champions League is a minor accomplishment? And he was a finalist the year before too
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It’s not minor it’s cup knock out you need luck to win it like all cup competitions! League titles not about luck
 
I don’t see Chelsea challenging for the title to be honest. Not good enough and more than that I don’t see them being consistent enough, I’m still scratching my head about the CL final.

I don’t rate Lukaku at all.

I think their manager speaks really well and comes across as a really likeable bloke as does Mount and a few others, I would 100% prefer Chelsea to win the league every year we don’t, I just don’t see it this year.
 
Gus Cruz said:
Can we stop pretending that winning the Champions League is a minor accomplishment? And he was a finalist the year before too
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Chelsea are a prime example for what he means.

They had a very good team under Ranieri and then a few of years with a fantastic team under Mourinho… yet they failed in the Champions League, and it was Avram Grant with a side that wasn’t as good as previously that got to the final in 2008.

Then they had built a fantastic side again under Ancelotti, one of the best in the Premier League era… yet they still failed in the Champions League, and it was Di Matteo with their worst team for years that ended up winning it in 2012.

Chelsea’s first two CL final teams were their two worst sides with their two worst managers in that whole period of time from the late 90s when they started winning things. Chelsea’s better sides and better managers failed in the CL but they were still better sides and better managers.
 
MadchesterCity said:
Which is deeply worrying as Tuchel has Pep Sussed!?
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The FA Cup we pretty much threw, we all knew that was happening.the league game neither side wanting to show their hand, we played a side that you'll never see us play again in a game with something on the line, purely to not give anything away with the final looming. Chelsea did a similar thing too but in the end they needed the win, we didnt and that got them that win.

Its only the champions league final that Tuchel did Pep and even then many would argue Pep did himself. This narrative of seeing 3 straight Chelsea wins with no context surrounding the games and saying tuchels got peps number is very misleading.

Its weird how there's this clamour to claim managers have peps number, it doesn't happen with anybody else. A couple of wins against him and they're suddenly a genius. scousers still claim Klopp has Peps number despite the fact we've lost just once to them in the last 7 meetings.
 
ninjamonkey said:
The FA Cup we pretty much threw, we all knew that was happening.the league game neither side wanting to show their hand, we played a side that you'll never see us play again in a game with something on the line, purely to not give anything away with the final looming. Chelsea did a similar thing too but in the end they needed the win, we didnt and that got them that win.

Its only the champions league final that Tuchel did Pep and even then many would argue Pep did himself. This narrative of seeing 3 straight Chelsea wins with no context surrounding the games and saying tuchels got peps number is very misleading.

Its weird how there's this clamour to claim managers have peps number, it doesn't happen with anybody else. A couple of wins against him and they're suddenly a genius. scousers still claim Klopp has Peps number despite the fact we've lost just once to them in the last 7 meetings.
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I watched every game and was out in Porto, Chelsea were the better team in all three matches. Mentally Tuchel has the edge over Pep now, like it or not! Fortunately it's now over to Pep to ensure he defeats Chelsea in our next few encounters. Things ain't looking promising if we can't land a forward before the window ends, as I said elsewhere it's going to be tough to predict top 4 between Chelsea, rags and the vermin. With either Kane or Ideally Haaland we are favourites as it stands now could be one of four!
 
MadchesterCity said:
I watched every game and was out in Porto, Chelsea were the better team in all three matches. Mentally Tuchel has the edge over Pep now, like it or not! Fortunately it's now over to Pep to ensure he defeats Chelsea in our next few encounters. Things ain't looking promising if we can't land a forward before the window ends, as I said elsewhere it's going to be tough to predict top 4 between Chelsea, rags and the vermin. With either Kane or Ideally Haaland we are favourites as it stands now could be one of four!
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I wasn't disputing whether they were the better side, I agree with you completely on that what I was highlighting were the unusual circumstances for 2 of those games that everybody ignores. The league game was more of a dead rubber than the 6th champions league group game and the FA Cup he willingly sacrificed. The two lineups for those games shows this. There's no way Pep is so fragile that he thinks Tuchel has the edge over him after those games. The first Chelsea match is in a few weeks, I wouldn't look too much into that result either regardless of the outcome, it's too early in the season for it to have any value or meaning beyond the 3 points at stake.
 
ninjamonkey said:
I wasn't disputing whether they were the better side, I agree with you completely on that what I was highlighting were the unusual circumstances for 2 of those games that everybody ignores. The league game was more of a dead rubber than the 6th champions league group game and the FA Cup he willingly sacrificed. The two lineups for those games shows this. There's no way Pep is so fragile that he thinks Tuchel has the edge over him after those games. The first Chelsea match is in a few weeks, I wouldn't look too much into that result either regardless of the outcome, it's too early in the season for it to have any value or meaning beyond the 3 points at stake.
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Which are a huge 3 points against our title rival, potentially season defining!
Need to get our forward in now and need to go to Chelsea and show them who's boss. We'll most likely be without Kev and Phil making that forward signing even more critical
 
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