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not my fault!
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Andouble said:how many teams in the world, Rags aside, that give manager full control? Serious question as I've no idea.
I'd say only teams like Stoke etc, I'd guess not many top clubs would.
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Just had a word with Bob and he said you are all talking bollocks.
Also had a quick skinny latte americano machiatto doppio frappacino with Jose and he said you're all talking bollocks.
However, for the sake of the thread, I tend to agree with Chris in London's opinion.
Also had a quick skinny latte americano machiatto doppio frappacino with Jose and he said you're all talking bollocks.
However, for the sake of the thread, I tend to agree with Chris in London's opinion.
JoeMercer'sWay
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Did some stats:
Roberto Mancini
Fiorentina(N/A)
1 Coppa Italia.
Lazio(2 seasons):
Total Spent: N/A.
League Record: P68 W31 D23 L14 GS: 109 GC: 70 GD: +39(45.6%).
European Record: P20 W9 D6 L5 GS: 28 GC: 23 GD: +5(45%).
1 Coppa Italia.
Inter Milan(4 seasons):
Total Spent: £109.1m.
League Record: P152 W96 D42 L14 GS: 282 GC: 127 GD: +155(63.2%).
European Record: P36 W19 D8 L9 GS: 51 GC: 32 GD: +19.(52.8%).
3 Serie A Titles, 2 Coppa Italias, 2 Supercoppas.
Manchester City(1 season + 2 windows):
Total Spent: £220m.
League Record: P83 W50 D16 L17 GS: 165 GC: 70 GD: +95(60.2%).
European Record: P18 W10 D4 L4 GS: 27 GC: 14 GD: +13(55.6%).
1 FA Cup.
Totals:
Total Spent: £329.1m.
League Record: P303 W177 D81 L45 GS: 556 GC: 267 GD: +289(58.4%).
European Record: P74 W38 D18 L18 GS: 106 GC: 69 GD: +37(51.4%).
3 Serie A Titles, 4 Coppa Italias, 1 FA Cup and 2 Supercoppas.
Jose Mourinho
Porto
Total Spent: N/A.
League Record: P68 W52 D12 L4 GS: 136 GC: 45 GD: +91(76.5%).
European Record: P26 W15 D7 L4 GS: 49 GC: 22 GD: +27(57.7%).
1 Champions League, 1 UEFA Cup, 2 Liga Sagres, 1 Taca, 1 Supertaca.
Chelsea(3 seasons + 1 window):
Total Spent: £226.9m.
League Record: P120 W85 D25 L10 GS: 215 GC: 67 GD: +148(70.8%).
European Record: P33 W16 D9 L8 GS: 48 GC: 27 GD: +21(48.5%).
2 Premier League titles, 1 FA Cup, 2 League Cups, 1 Community Shield.
Inter Milan(2 seasons):
Total Spent: £136.1m.
League Record: P76 W49 D19 L8 GS: 145 GC: 66 GD: +79(64.5%).
European Record: P21 W10 D6 L5 GS: 25 GC: 18 GD: +7(47.6%).
1 Champions League, 2 Serie A titles, 1 Coppa Italia & 1 Supercoppa.
Real Madrid(1 year + 1 window):
Total Spent: £107.9m.
League Record: P59 W47 D6 L6 GS: 173 GC: 52 GD: +121(79.7%).
European Record: P18 W14 D3 L1 GS: 44 GC: 8 GD: +36(77.8%).
1 Copa Del Rey.
Totals
Total Spent: £470.9m.
League Record: P323 W233 D62 L28 GS: 669 GC: 230 GD: +439(72.1%).
European Record: P98 W55 D25 L18 GS: 166 GC: 75 GD: +91(56.1%).
2 Champions Leagues, 2 Premier League, 2 Serie A, 2 Liga Sagres, 1 Coppa Italia, 1 Copa Del Rey, 1 Taca, 2 League Cups, 1 Community Shield & 1 Supercoppa, 1 Supertaca.
Pep Guardiola
Barcelona(3 seasons + 1 window):
Total Spent: £250.0m.
League Record: P135 W102 D24 L9 GS: 359 GC: 93 GD: +266(75.6%).
European Record: P44 W27 D13 L4 GS: 102 GC: 36 GD: +66(61.4%).
3 La Liga, 2 Champions League, 2 World Club Cup, 2 European Super Cup, 1 Copa Del Rey, 3 Supercoppas.
Jurgen Klopp
Dortmund(3 seasons + 1 window):
Total Spent: £34.4m.
League Record: P122 W67 D33 L22 GS: 226 GC: 115 GD: +111(54.9%).
European Record: P14 W5 D4 L5 GS: 21 GC: 19 GD: +2(35.7%).
1 Bundesliga, 1 Super Cup.
Roberto Mancini
Fiorentina(N/A)
1 Coppa Italia.
Lazio(2 seasons):
Total Spent: N/A.
League Record: P68 W31 D23 L14 GS: 109 GC: 70 GD: +39(45.6%).
European Record: P20 W9 D6 L5 GS: 28 GC: 23 GD: +5(45%).
1 Coppa Italia.
Inter Milan(4 seasons):
Total Spent: £109.1m.
League Record: P152 W96 D42 L14 GS: 282 GC: 127 GD: +155(63.2%).
European Record: P36 W19 D8 L9 GS: 51 GC: 32 GD: +19.(52.8%).
3 Serie A Titles, 2 Coppa Italias, 2 Supercoppas.
Manchester City(1 season + 2 windows):
Total Spent: £220m.
League Record: P83 W50 D16 L17 GS: 165 GC: 70 GD: +95(60.2%).
European Record: P18 W10 D4 L4 GS: 27 GC: 14 GD: +13(55.6%).
1 FA Cup.
Totals:
Total Spent: £329.1m.
League Record: P303 W177 D81 L45 GS: 556 GC: 267 GD: +289(58.4%).
European Record: P74 W38 D18 L18 GS: 106 GC: 69 GD: +37(51.4%).
3 Serie A Titles, 4 Coppa Italias, 1 FA Cup and 2 Supercoppas.
Jose Mourinho
Porto
Total Spent: N/A.
League Record: P68 W52 D12 L4 GS: 136 GC: 45 GD: +91(76.5%).
European Record: P26 W15 D7 L4 GS: 49 GC: 22 GD: +27(57.7%).
1 Champions League, 1 UEFA Cup, 2 Liga Sagres, 1 Taca, 1 Supertaca.
Chelsea(3 seasons + 1 window):
Total Spent: £226.9m.
League Record: P120 W85 D25 L10 GS: 215 GC: 67 GD: +148(70.8%).
European Record: P33 W16 D9 L8 GS: 48 GC: 27 GD: +21(48.5%).
2 Premier League titles, 1 FA Cup, 2 League Cups, 1 Community Shield.
Inter Milan(2 seasons):
Total Spent: £136.1m.
League Record: P76 W49 D19 L8 GS: 145 GC: 66 GD: +79(64.5%).
European Record: P21 W10 D6 L5 GS: 25 GC: 18 GD: +7(47.6%).
1 Champions League, 2 Serie A titles, 1 Coppa Italia & 1 Supercoppa.
Real Madrid(1 year + 1 window):
Total Spent: £107.9m.
League Record: P59 W47 D6 L6 GS: 173 GC: 52 GD: +121(79.7%).
European Record: P18 W14 D3 L1 GS: 44 GC: 8 GD: +36(77.8%).
1 Copa Del Rey.
Totals
Total Spent: £470.9m.
League Record: P323 W233 D62 L28 GS: 669 GC: 230 GD: +439(72.1%).
European Record: P98 W55 D25 L18 GS: 166 GC: 75 GD: +91(56.1%).
2 Champions Leagues, 2 Premier League, 2 Serie A, 2 Liga Sagres, 1 Coppa Italia, 1 Copa Del Rey, 1 Taca, 2 League Cups, 1 Community Shield & 1 Supercoppa, 1 Supertaca.
Pep Guardiola
Barcelona(3 seasons + 1 window):
Total Spent: £250.0m.
League Record: P135 W102 D24 L9 GS: 359 GC: 93 GD: +266(75.6%).
European Record: P44 W27 D13 L4 GS: 102 GC: 36 GD: +66(61.4%).
3 La Liga, 2 Champions League, 2 World Club Cup, 2 European Super Cup, 1 Copa Del Rey, 3 Supercoppas.
Jurgen Klopp
Dortmund(3 seasons + 1 window):
Total Spent: £34.4m.
League Record: P122 W67 D33 L22 GS: 226 GC: 115 GD: +111(54.9%).
European Record: P14 W5 D4 L5 GS: 21 GC: 19 GD: +2(35.7%).
1 Bundesliga, 1 Super Cup.
peoffrey
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JoeMercer'sWay said:Notice if you take out Madrid, Mourinho & Mancini have both managed 54 games in Europe, Mancini's percentage for that is 53.7%, Mourinho's at Chelsea & Inter is 48.1%, though of course one of Mancini's seasons at City was in the UEFA Cup.
This is where I lost any interest in what you're saying. Mourinho won Champions League trophies with both Porto and Inter. Mancini's Inter continually failed in Europe. You've fudged stats to suit your point.
JoeMercer'sWay
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peoffrey said:JoeMercer'sWay said:Notice if you take out Madrid, Mourinho & Mancini have both managed 54 games in Europe, Mancini's percentage for that is 53.7%, Mourinho's at Chelsea & Inter is 48.1%, though of course one of Mancini's seasons at City was in the UEFA Cup.
This is where I lost any interest in what you're saying. Mourinho won Champions League trophies with both Porto and Inter. Mancini's Inter continually failed in Europe. You've fudged stats to suit your point.
I haven't fudged anything, they're the stats, I balanced it by saying one of Mancini's seasons was in the Europa League.
No doubt Mourinho won a CL at Inter, but let's face it, it was build a brick wall in front of the goal football, and it worked once v Barca and has failed ever since, and all that money for no CL at Chelsea? hardly shone in Europe there either did he?
Just corrects a few people who over-exaggerate Mourinho's record.
peoffrey
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JoeMercer'sWay said:I haven't fudged anything, they're the stats, I balanced it by saying one of Mancini's seasons was in the Europa League.
No doubt Mourinho won a CL at Inter, but let's face it, it was build a brick wall in front of the goal football, and it worked once v Barca and has failed ever since, and all that money for no CL at Chelsea? hardly shone in Europe there either did he?
Just corrects a few people who over-exaggerate Mourinho's record.
Yes you have fudged it! You've left stats off to distort the figures in Mancini's favour. Chelsea's record in the CL was fair and still better than Inter's at that time. Only one Club can win it each season and I firmly believe no success in Europe's only proper competition will spell the end for our Manager.
Mourinho still lifted that trophy twice. Twice more than Mancini.
JoeMercer'sWay
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peoffrey said:JoeMercer'sWay said:I haven't fudged anything, they're the stats, I balanced it by saying one of Mancini's seasons was in the Europa League.
No doubt Mourinho won a CL at Inter, but let's face it, it was build a brick wall in front of the goal football, and it worked once v Barca and has failed ever since, and all that money for no CL at Chelsea? hardly shone in Europe there either did he?
Just corrects a few people who over-exaggerate Mourinho's record.
Yes you have fudged it! You've left stats off to distort the figures in Mancini's favour. Chelsea's record in the CL was fair and still better than Inter's at that time. Only one Club can win it each season and I firmly believe no success in Europe's only proper competition will spell the end for our Manager.
Mourinho still lifted that trophy twice. Twice more than Mancini.
I haven't. If Mourinho hadn't won that CL with Inter then his CL record would be not much better than Roberto's in that time frame.
You can also see that Mourinho clearly spent more money than Roberto at that time and overall, and Chelsea/United/AC Milan were all better than Inter were at that time.
Mourinho's done great, I'd be happy with him, with Roberto, with Guardiola, they're all great managers. Pep's the best recently but Mancini is doing a good job, the stats prove that and I don't see why he needs to leave unless we collapse in the 2nd half of the season, unless he wants to.
BoyBlue_1985
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Something i learnt from this thread
Stats mean fuck all
Stats mean fuck all