kashmir
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Another kit to sell,it’s all about how much money the club can take from the fans,it looks as if the team were wearing training bibs,should play in blue at home no exceptions
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Cellarite
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On the kit change the other night - I've been thinking about this stuff a lot recently.
Whether or not people like the kit, that's by the by. Some do, some don't. Some liked the 99 play off kit, some don't. Some like us playing in red and black, some hate the idea of red on a City kit.
What isn't in dispute is that almost all City fans want us playing in sky blue and white at home. Almost all City fans want to pay a decent price for a home ticket. Selling loyalty points through season ticket boosters is not right. Sky changing kick off times so that West Ham fans can't get a Monday night train back from Newcastle isn't what West Ham or Newcastle fans want. Arsenal playing their derby at Spurs in an away kit isn't what Arsenal fans want. VAR wasn't what a lot of football fans wanted. Extra fixtures that we have to pay for and players have to play in isn't what fans and players want.
My point is that they (already have) are taking our game away from us. In Germany, they tried Monday night matches and the fans of most clubs demonstrated together and got them stopped. In this country, it's far too tribal and if we dare to have a dozen empty seats at a midweek match, we're ridiculed on social media.
It's the same as any aspect of life. Paying £8 for a beer at events, dynamic ticket pricing for gigs, Sky prices rising and rising even though football is taken off there when they lose contracts - but then make us feel like criminals when we find alternative ways to watch football on telly or buy football shirts from China instead of paying amounts that make your nose bleed. The masses will continue to have the piss taken out of them for as long as we put up with it.
It was something as little as the North London derby last week that brought all this to the front of my mind even though it had been bubbling away in the back for some time.
We want our fucking game back. Unfortunately, the only way we're going to get it is for huge amounts of people to simply say "no" and sadly, I don't believe there is enough of an appetite to do that.
Whether or not people like the kit, that's by the by. Some do, some don't. Some liked the 99 play off kit, some don't. Some like us playing in red and black, some hate the idea of red on a City kit.
What isn't in dispute is that almost all City fans want us playing in sky blue and white at home. Almost all City fans want to pay a decent price for a home ticket. Selling loyalty points through season ticket boosters is not right. Sky changing kick off times so that West Ham fans can't get a Monday night train back from Newcastle isn't what West Ham or Newcastle fans want. Arsenal playing their derby at Spurs in an away kit isn't what Arsenal fans want. VAR wasn't what a lot of football fans wanted. Extra fixtures that we have to pay for and players have to play in isn't what fans and players want.
My point is that they (already have) are taking our game away from us. In Germany, they tried Monday night matches and the fans of most clubs demonstrated together and got them stopped. In this country, it's far too tribal and if we dare to have a dozen empty seats at a midweek match, we're ridiculed on social media.
It's the same as any aspect of life. Paying £8 for a beer at events, dynamic ticket pricing for gigs, Sky prices rising and rising even though football is taken off there when they lose contracts - but then make us feel like criminals when we find alternative ways to watch football on telly or buy football shirts from China instead of paying amounts that make your nose bleed. The masses will continue to have the piss taken out of them for as long as we put up with it.
It was something as little as the North London derby last week that brought all this to the front of my mind even though it had been bubbling away in the back for some time.
We want our fucking game back. Unfortunately, the only way we're going to get it is for huge amounts of people to simply say "no" and sadly, I don't believe there is enough of an appetite to do that.
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NEVER wear that Oasis kit again in a primary fixture home or away.
It was a brand and marketing error....we have 3 approved kits with an historical connection to the club.
Sell the Oasis kit but don't wear it !!
It was a brand and marketing error....we have 3 approved kits with an historical connection to the club.
Sell the Oasis kit but don't wear it !!
Join and become engaged with the FSA. That’s the best route to change in football in this country.
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When does a historical connection to the club begin?
The three kits you have given your blessing to - there are problems with them all by your reasoning.
The away one is almost a carbon copy of the kit we first wore in 1999. Have we whittled your timescale down to 25 years?
The third kit is maroon. We didn't wear maroon until the 50's. What was our changed kit before then? Should we stick to those forever more?
Even the home colours. For three years, we wore black with white. Imagine the flat capped gents back in the day bemoaning too much change? "We've changed our name, we're at a new ground, now we have to watch them wearing bloody sky blue."
We wore a sash in the 70's for the first time. We wore red and black for the first time in the 60's. We didn't wear black shirts from the St.Mark's days until the 00's. These are some of the most cherished kits amongst City fans. Things change.
The truth is, apart from a bit of pink trim, the Oasis kit is more traditional to City colours than the yellow and blue one. In the early 90's, we wore white shirts with sky blue shorts on many occasions. Yes, there's a hint of yellow on it but then we wore yellow shirts in the 60's, 90's, and 00's so historically, yellow has been City colours for 60 years.
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Ah, kits and tradition! An old bugbear of mine. Every kit launch spins things and every fan has a view on what's traditional and what's not. In the 60s they tried to fight anger from fans about the red/black kit being introduced by saying that the club had worn those colours back in the 1880s as Gorton (but that's a bit of a red herring).
Maroon - a traditional away colour stretching back way before the 1950s. In fact maroon is more of a traditional away colour for City than anything else. It was certainly worn for some home games in 1930s too.
Even red has a long history (ignoring the Gorton claims) - 'lucky scarlet' was chosen for some home games in the 1920s.
If anyone's interested there's lots on my website about kits:
Kits – Gary James' Football Archive
Posts about Kits written by garyjamesfootballarchive
gjfootballarchive.com
Including stuff on the complaints about red/black - now a classic kit, just like 1999's:
Complaints About MCFC Kits!
If you think that it’s only in recent years that fans have been upset when their club has tinkered with their colours then think again. Back in November 1969, shortly after City had worn red …
gjfootballarchive.com
Oh, and the comment about wearing black and white for three years - I'm not quite certain what you're referring to but if it's Gorton we only know of the black shirts with cross pattee during 1 season, so impossible to say how long we wore it for. We do know royal blue and white stripes were worn in 1887 and a pale blue and white was worn in 1890 but lots of early seasons are unclear, so myths have (and continue to be) developed.
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But But But.....Ah, kits and tradition! An old bugbear of mine. Every kit launch spins things and every fan has a view on what's traditional and what's not. In the 60s they tried to fight anger from fans about the red/black kit being introduced by saying that the club had worn those colours back in the 1880s as Gorton (but that's a bit of a red herring).
Maroon - a traditional away colour stretching back way before the 1950s. In fact maroon is more of a traditional away colour for City than anything else. It was certainly worn for some home games in 1930s too.
Even red has a long history (ignoring the Gorton claims) - 'lucky scarlet' was chosen for some home games in the 1920s.
If anyone's interested there's lots on my website about kits:
Kits – Gary James' Football Archive
Posts about Kits written by garyjamesfootballarchive
Including stuff on the complaints about red/black - now a classic kit, just like 1999's:
Complaints About MCFC Kits!
If you think that it’s only in recent years that fans have been upset when their club has tinkered with their colours then think again. Back in November 1969, shortly after City had worn red …
Oh, and the comment about wearing black and white for three years - I'm not quite certain what you're referring to but if it's Gorton we only know of the black shirts with cross pattee during 1 season, so impossible to say how long we wore it for. We do know royal blue and white stripes were worn in 1887 and a pale blue and white was worn in 1890 but lots of early seasons are unclear, so myths have (and continue to be) developed.
Should a FOURTH kit be worn as the first team kit in a home game ??
HelloCity
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Ah, kits and tradition! An old bugbear of mine. Every kit launch spins things and every fan has a view on what's traditional and what's not. In the 60s they tried to fight anger from fans about the red/black kit being introduced by saying that the club had worn those colours back in the 1880s as Gorton (but that's a bit of a red herring).
Maroon - a traditional away colour stretching back way before the 1950s. In fact maroon is more of a traditional away colour for City than anything else. It was certainly worn for some home games in 1930s too.
Even red has a long history (ignoring the Gorton claims) - 'lucky scarlet' was chosen for some home games in the 1920s.
If anyone's interested there's lots on my website about kits:
Kits – Gary James' Football Archive
Posts about Kits written by garyjamesfootballarchive
Including stuff on the complaints about red/black - now a classic kit, just like 1999's:
Complaints About MCFC Kits!
If you think that it’s only in recent years that fans have been upset when their club has tinkered with their colours then think again. Back in November 1969, shortly after City had worn red …
Oh, and the comment about wearing black and white for three years - I'm not quite certain what you're referring to but if it's Gorton we only know of the black shirts with cross pattee during 1 season, so impossible to say how long we wore it for. We do know royal blue and white stripes were worn in 1887 and a pale blue and white was worn in 1890 but lots of early seasons are unclear, so myths have (and continue to be) developed.
Thanks Gary.
What is our home record like when wearing away/special edition kits rather than the standard home?
Gary James
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I'd choose blue for every game home, away or neutral where it's possible to wear blue if it was down to me, as I've said here:
Wearing Alternative Kits At Home
There’s a lot of furore this week about Manchester City’s decision to wear their new Oasis inspired kit instead of their home kit for their Champions League game with Inter Milan. Lots …
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I do wonder how we'd all have reacted had City now been wearing red and black stripes as our first choice kit permanently as Malcolm Allison wanted. Imagine the day when the club announces: 'We're going to wear a pale blue home shirt this season for our first European game as a nod to Billy Meredith's Welsh roots'.
I wonder how Leeds fans reacted when their kit was changed to white from their traditional colours. Nowadays, it seems so ridiculous (look at Cardiff's shirt colour issues) but in 60s it was still possible to break 'tradition'.
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Gary James
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I haven't worked out the full record because we just don't know how often it's happened. It was not always recorded. Many significant games were won in 20s/30s/50s/60s/70s wearing alternative colours at home though.