"City dig heels in over Robinho"

[alera]

We come back to the issue of him having to play out of his skin, to earn his place, to make the world cup.

We know he has the ability 15 goals in half a season proves as much.

Is he really going to blow his chance of playing and winning the world cup for the sake of 3 or 4 months hard work in the prem and the chance to win some more silverware on the way. I dont think so personally. Once his safety net and any chance of escape is gone he will have to get with the program.

 

[bizzbo]

Bizzbo

I think what makes Robinho and City's position more unusual is the lack of respect he has shown almost continually, seemingly form day one.

Within weeks of signing for City he was talking about the dream of playing for other clubs, that doesnt sit well with me and I am sure a lot of other Blues too?

The pandering that Hughes and even the Sheikh have had to do is somewhat embarrassing for the clubs end and I see the situation has emboldened him and taken him to where he is now.

If Hughes had had a stringer hand to play (which I assume Mancini has now with HRH's backing) then perhaps, just perhaps we would have seen more from Robinho and he would have been quieter in the press.

But we are where we are and the best way for the club to regain some respect and strengthen their future position is to act decisively and with real, public show of strength.

There is obviously no real options for City or Mancini with the lad now as his mind is made up and he has proven with Santos and Madrid how far he goes to get his own way.

I think it is the moment to draw a line in the sand and the club will benefit for years tom come. Its about more than the money now.

nah, dramatics are over-rated. nothing to gain by keeping someone on to prove a point. united kept ronaldo because he was a spectactular performer and the value could only keep going up. with robinho, on current form the danger is that the opposite happens, and his value goes down. respect, well, I wouldn't respect a club that kept someone against there wishes just for the hell of it. it starts to sound like moyes and lescott... and we know what happened there.

 

[alera]

City expected to pick up the balance, about £70,000

A WEEK.

So best case we pay £70k a week and get nothing in return and leave ourselves short. Sorry I think its worth the gamble, he wont have any choice but to fight for his place he has the quality hes just a spoilt child used to getting his way. He stays, he fights for his place - or no world cup and his career is in ruins - his choice not ours.

This is NOTHING like the Lescott affair. We offered 3 times more than the player was worth he was going to a much bigger club with more realisitic chances of success for double his wage.

This is the whole problem with this country, it doesnt matter give in let him have what he wants hes Robinho he can do what he wants. No morals, no stomach, no backbone.

You can call it pragmatic I just see weakness.

 

[fbloke]

Its more than the money now for me.

Its about principals and the standing of the club in the eyes of players around the world.

We can be looked at as an easy touch where players take a risk on joining knowing that they can 'do a Robinho' and get a move if it goes pear-shaped or we can make the right noises and take a stance now.

The upside we would all see in the future is that players would only join our great club for the right reasons.

That would be worth way over the £32.4m we may end up losing on Robinho.

 

[bizzbo]

City expected to pick up the balance, about £70,000

A WEEK.

So best case we pay £70k a week and get nothing in return and leave ourselves short. Sorry I think its worth the gamble, he wont have any choice but to fight for his place. If not well we make an example of him and lets face it overdue.

This is NOTHING like the Lescott affair. We offered 3 times more than the player was worth he was going to a much bigger club with more realisitic chances of success for double his wage.

point is that hanging onto genuinely unsettled players can cause unrest amongst others. everton went from 5th to nowhere in the space of a couple of months. it's a big gamble for us to take when we are on the cusp of trophies and top four. that's the big picture. if we screw that up, it won't matter how much 'respect' we garner from keeping robinho, we'll still be out of the champions league. there is an opportunity to take a huge step forward, no-one will be worried about robinho if we finish fourth, win a cup, we will be THE up and coming team in europe, players will fall over themselves to sign for us, which puts us in a great position when it comes to negotiating deals.

 

[alera]

point is that hanging onto genuinely unsettled players can cause unrest amongst others. everton went from 5th to nowhere in the space of a couple of months. it's a big gamble for us to take when we are on the cusp of trophies and top four. that's the big picture. if we screw that up, it won't matter how much 'respect' we garner from keeping robinho, we'll still be out of the champions league. there is an opportunity to take a huge step forward, no-one will be worried about robinho if we finish fourth, win a cup, we will be THE up and coming team in europe, players will fall over themselves to sign for us, which puts us in a great position when it comes to negotiating deals.

This is a fair and good point, particualrly with Everton going to shit BUT it was mostly due to their injury problems and massively over acheiving the previous season not Lescott being sold. Moyes just used it as a smoke screen.

Can it be that difficult, hes told that he has to stay, if he acts up he is training with the youth team and wont be allowed any where near the first team squad. I am sure the players will understand with the way he is acting its clearly not acceptable. Also he cant even speak english and the other trouble causers Jo and Elano are not at the club.

Could he really cause and more trouble than he already has ? Can he get any worse than this ?

I am struggling to see what more he could actually do.

Tell him to stay at home until the transfer window closes. His heads not right, his behaviour is unacceptable. When the window closes he can come back and if his attitudes is right we take it from there.

 

[bizzbo]

point is that hanging onto genuinely unsettled players can cause unrest amongst others. everton went from 5th to nowhere in the space of a couple of months. it's a big gamble for us to take when we are on the cusp of trophies and top four. that's the big picture. if we screw that up, it won't matter how much 'respect' we garner from keeping robinho, we'll still be out of the champions league. there is an opportunity to take a huge step forward, no-one will be worried about robinho if we finish fourth, win a cup, we will be THE up and coming team in europe, players will fall over themselves to sign for us, which puts us in a great position when it comes to negotiating deals.

This is a fair and good point, particualrly with Everton going to shit BUT it was mostly due to their injury problems and massively over acheiving the previous season.

Can it be that difficult hes told that he has to stay, if he acts up he is training with the youth team and wont be allowed any where near the first team squad. I am sure the players will understand with the way he is acting its clearly not acceptable. Also he cant even sepak english and the other trouble causers Jo and Elano are not at the club.

COuld he really cause and mroe trouble than he already has ? Can he get any worse than this ?

you can't really make them train with the youth team. lazio tried that with Pandev and he got his contract cancelled.

Robinho will have to take a pay cut of around £80,000-a-week to end his misery at Manchester City, who are refusing to fund his escape route to Brazil.

City insist that if he leaves it will be on their terms, and have not ruled out the possibility of the unhappy forward having to stay in Manchester.

Santos were hoping for an 18-month loan, with Roberto Mancini’s club covering half his weekly wage of £160,000, the Brazilians paying about £45,000 and raising the other £35,000 through sponsorship. But City will not stump up, so Robinho will have to accept losing £2million in wages over the next six months to get his move.

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I agree with the stance this suggests. if no deal is possible, if he isn't willing to take a pay cut, then stays (I think other clubs might come in tho). he did say that money wasn't everything, so I think he'll accept the loss.

 

[Rammy Blue]

From reading all the related articles this morning the one aspect that really gets on my goat is the way that Robbie and Santos are attempting to call the shots in the whole affair by opening their traps and gobbing off as if the deal is pretty much done.

I do have though the utmost faith in City that unless the deal suits us we will not be railroaded into finalising a deal.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

We owe 'im nowt and he owes us plenty. He couldn't get out of Madrid quick enough. And in the financial dog eat dog world anyone who wants a slice of a major investment should cough up.

If he goes out on loan, and Santos haven't two escudos to rub together, what exactly does MCFC get out of the deal? Seems very little to me.

 

[Neil McNab]

Robinho is like a hot summers day.
Only problem is the clubs he plays for are like bottles of milk.
The inevitable outcome is that the milk always turns sour.
When players leave accrimoniously to bigger clubs it because they've played well. Robinho took a step down in club to come to us and he's still sinking to a level where he can operate.