City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[Matty]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Not strictly true.

Lets say those 5 home grown players actually equates to 4 club trained and 1 association trained.

Now, name you're squad, remembering that we can only include 1 out of Hart, Clichy, Milner, Wright and Rodwell in the "5 home grown players" quota as they are all association trained and not club trained.

Until we know the exact split of the "5 home grown players" we can't really assess the impact it has on us.

If it came to this worst case scenario of having 4 club trained players do we have anyone (who we would name in a CL squad) that would qualify as club trained? Who are these players or would we simply play a smaller squad and take it on the chin?

Richards, if he stays, is club trained. As is Boyata.

Everyone else who would qualify as club trained wouldn't actually need to be added to the squad list, as they would qualify via the "B List" anyway (in that they would be under the age of 21 as at 01/01/2014, and would have spent at least 2 years training at the club). These players would be the likes of Lopes, Huws, Rekik etc, basically the EDS

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

@martynzeigler: Boost for Man City: UEFA gen sec has confirmed to me FFP rule-breakers City/PSG will only need 5 home-grown players in 21-man CL squad not 8

Hahahahaa!!! This means that it won't affect us since we can still name 17 foreign players in our first-team squad since Nastasic along with Lopes will be on the B-list.

Not strictly true.

Lets say those 5 home grown players actually equates to 4 club trained and 1 association trained.

Now, name you're squad, remembering that we can only include 1 out of Hart, Clichy, Milner, Wright and Rodwell in the "5 home grown players" quota as they are all association trained and not club trained.

Until we know the exact split of the "5 home grown players" we can't really assess the impact it has on us.

it's irrelevant, as the club will know the requirements and will therefore be doing our business appropriately.

It's really a non-issue to us fans.

 

[TueartsOHK]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Not strictly true.

Lets say those 5 home grown players actually equates to 4 club trained and 1 association trained.

Now, name you're squad, remembering that we can only include 1 out of Hart, Clichy, Milner, Wright and Rodwell in the "5 home grown players" quota as they are all association trained and not club trained.

Until we know the exact split of the "5 home grown players" we can't really assess the impact it has on us.

If it came to this worst case scenario of having 4 club trained players do we have anyone (who we would name in a CL squad) that would qualify as club trained? Who are these players or would we simply play a smaller squad and take it on the chin?

Richards, if he stays, is club trained. As is Boyata.

Everyone else who would qualify as club trained wouldn't actually need to be added to the squad list, as they would qualify via the "B List" anyway (in that they would be under the age of 21 as at 01/01/2014, and would have spent at least 2 years training at the club). These players would be the likes of Lopes, Huws, Rekik etc, basically the EDS

Cheers. The MUEN had an article saying...

A "club trained player" is a player who between the age of 15-21 has been with the club for three seasons. He doesn't have to be English or to have spent the three seasons continuously.

An "association trained player" is a player who between the ages of 15-21 has been registered with a club affiliated to the same association as City for three seasons.

So the player must have been between the ages 15-21 at the time of serving his 3 seasons in both cases?

As you can see I'm having trouble keeping up with all this shit :-)

 

[Matty]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Hahahahaa!!! This means that it won't affect us since we can still name 17 foreign players in our first-team squad since Nastasic along with Lopes will be on the B-list.

Not strictly true.

Lets say those 5 home grown players actually equates to 4 club trained and 1 association trained.

Now, name you're squad, remembering that we can only include 1 out of Hart, Clichy, Milner, Wright and Rodwell in the "5 home grown players" quota as they are all association trained and not club trained.

Until we know the exact split of the "5 home grown players" we can't really assess the impact it has on us.

it's irrelevant, as the club will know the requirements and will therefore be doing our business appropriately.

It's really a non-issue to us fans.

It most certainly isn't irrelevant.

Lets assume the worse case scenario, that the 5 home grown players is made up of 4 club trained and 1 association trained. Lets say we name Joe Hart as our 1 allowable association trained player. Lets say we name Richards, Boyata, Lopes and Johansen (to fulfill the requirement for at least 2 keepers in the squad) as our allowable club trained players.

That leaves us with 16 spots left to fill.

1 - Kompany
2 - Zabaleta
3 - Kolarov
4 - Demichelis
5 - Fernandinho
6 - Garcia
7 - Toure
8 - Nasri
9 - Silva
10 - Navas
11 - Aguero
12 - Negredo
13 - Dzeko
14 - Jovetic
15 - Milner
16 - Clichy

That's you lot, all out current squad included, with no space whatsoever.

Now, if we make some new signings, which is inevitable, where do they go? Who misses out on the European squad? Lets say Sagna, Fernando and Benatia all join. That's 3 players with zero spots available. Who are the 3 who miss out?

In the better scenario for City, which is what everyone else is assuming (5 home grown, of which only 1 needs to be club trained) we'd be able to include Clichy and Milner in the home grown list (excluding Lopes and Boyata) and add 2 of those 3 new signings to the european squad without anyone else missing out. That would leave just 1 player missing out, and there's always the possibility that 1 of our current crop of foreign stars leaves the club this summer to make that a none issue.

 

[Matty]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

If it came to this worst case scenario of having 4 club trained players do we have anyone (who we would name in a CL squad) that would qualify as club trained? Who are these players or would we simply play a smaller squad and take it on the chin?

Richards, if he stays, is club trained. As is Boyata.

Everyone else who would qualify as club trained wouldn't actually need to be added to the squad list, as they would qualify via the "B List" anyway (in that they would be under the age of 21 as at 01/01/2014, and would have spent at least 2 years training at the club). These players would be the likes of Lopes, Huws, Rekik etc, basically the EDS

Cheers. The MUEN had an article saying...

A "club trained player" is a player who between the age of 15-21 has been with the club for three seasons. He doesn't have to be English or to have spent the three seasons continuously.

An "association trained player" is a player who between the ages of 15-21 has been registered with a club affiliated to the same association as City for three seasons.

So the player must have been between the ages 15-21 at the time of serving his 3 seasons in both cases?

As you can see I'm having trouble keeping up with all this shit :-)

Yes, you're right.

Richards is a "club trained player" as he has spent 3 seasons at Manchester City between the ages of 15 and 21.

Clichy is an "association trained player" as he has spent 3 seasons at an English club (Arsenal) between the ages of 15 and 21, but is now a Manchester City player.

 

[TueartsOHK]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

I would hope that as the original split was 50-50 of club to association they will stick to something similar - hopefully only requiring 2 club trained players

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Not strictly true.

Lets say those 5 home grown players actually equates to 4 club trained and 1 association trained.

Now, name you're squad, remembering that we can only include 1 out of Hart, Clichy, Milner, Wright and Rodwell in the "5 home grown players" quota as they are all association trained and not club trained.

Until we know the exact split of the "5 home grown players" we can't really assess the impact it has on us.

it's irrelevant, as the club will know the requirements and will therefore be doing our business appropriately.

It's really a non-issue to us fans.

It most certainly isn't irrelevant.

Lets assume the worse case scenario, that the 5 home grown players is made up of 4 club trained and 1 association trained. Lets say we name Joe Hart as our 1 allowable association trained player. Lets say we name Richards, Boyata, Lopes and Johansen (to fulfill the requirement for at least 2 keepers in the squad) as our allowable club trained players.

That leaves us with 16 spots left to fill.

1 - Kompany
2 - Zabaleta
3 - Kolarov
4 - Demichelis
5 - Fernandinho
6 - Garcia
7 - Toure
8 - Nasri
9 - Silva
10 - Navas
11 - Aguero
12 - Negredo
13 - Dzeko
14 - Jovetic
15 - Milner
16 - Clichy

That's you lot, all out current squad included, with no space whatsoever.

Now, if we make some new signings, which is inevitable, where do they go? Who misses out on the European squad? Lets say Sagna, Fernando and Benatia all join. That's 3 players with zero spots available. Who are the 3 who miss out?

In the better scenario for City, which is what everyone else is assuming (5 home grown, of which only 1 needs to be club trained) we'd be able to include Clichy and Milner in the home grown list (excluding Lopes and Boyata) and add 2 of those 3 new signings to the european squad without anyone else missing out. That would leave just 1 player missing out, and there's always the possibility that 1 of our current crop of foreign stars leaves the club this summer to make that a none issue.

As stated in my previous post, the club will have known what the requirement is and will conduct our transfer business accordingly.

Now whether or not you agree with who they dispose of is a different issue altogether, but it doesn't affect our transfer business. In reality we can only have 18 non-HG players anyway, and the ones that go evidently won't be considered important enough to keep by our management so that in itself speaks volumes. Like I said whether or not you agree on the outgoings is your own issue, but I trust in what business we do and that it'll work out well.

 

[Daz_Blue]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

When do the yearly accounts get released ....... ?

 

[Centurions]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

When do the yearly accounts get released ....... ?

Last years were released on 29 January this year so you'll have to be patient.

 

[George Hannah]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Hahahah easy peasy. Fuck you ben rumsby
ITV sport running with an article on this too. Happy days

Also one in the eye to one particular poster on this subject, we know where you're hiding George ;-)

If I am the George in question may I just say that my eyes are thoroughly clear and remain wide open on this question - as does the impact of needing five locally players in a restricted 21 man squad. If only 1 of the 5 needs to be club trained however that is excellent news.