City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

The problem is that the PL broadcasting deals will still give the Premier League a massive advantage in paying player salaries. So the PL will still have a good chance of getting players for next to nothing ahead of RM, Barca and Bayern.
 
The thing is are other clubs just stupid? There must be 100+ clubs across Europe who make money from buying cheap and selling high. Their whole business model is jepordised.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
He and most of the people on this thread seem to have forgotten that tgere are squad size limitations in the plan - including players on loan. So the Chelsea and City academies rather loses their shine.
Big clubs jùst adopt the Bayern trick and get the best players from their competitors and wait for the players contract to wind down and get him for free.

I can't wait to see the face of Levi when Kane walks for nowt.
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Can't believe people are ignoring this, even Samuel in his otherwise excellent article.

City and Chelsea have academies that are light years ahead of the opposition notably David Gill's project. Take a look at the all-conquering younger England teams almost exclusively City and Chelsea. We are scouting youngsters around the world, particularly South America busily mining what was previously the domain of continental clubs. They were never going to stand for it for long. There will be rules designed to stifle our emergence.

The second, in some ways linked, area they can do some real damage and unique to us is the group structure. There will be stricter rules governing, and probably penalising, transactions, particularly transfers, between group clubs. This would be to stop us doing Aaron Mooy type deals.

I have to say that I think that the cartel are reacting too late and that our thinking is well ahead of them so, in the next 5 years or so I expect to see increasingly noisy threats of a break away league. My guess is, however, that the pulling power of the rags, Madrid, Barca, Bayern and the Milan clubs is diminishing with the growing recognition that their status as historic giants is nothing more than a reflection of historical wealth. That impacts on the marketability of the "product".
 
Now here's a thought...

If FFP was designed as Martin Samuel says, amongst other things, to keep City from taking Man U's place at the table...

And FFP2.0 is now locking the 'as is' standings pretty much in stone...

If we consider the rags' current situation (last roll of the dice, lots of very big gambles on players and a proven volatile manager)...

Is this a tacit signal that they (UEFA) have abandoned the rags to the wind? (i.e. locked in the possibility that their gambles come unstuck leaving a need for huge further obscene investment in a major future overhaul - which would now be rendered impossible).

Of course, should the rags wither and fall out of the top table, presumably then they could blitz again as there would be no threat that year of penalty (not in the CL anyway).
 
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Fame Monster said:
We've got the 5th highest income of any club in the world, don't we?

I say bring on FFP 2.0. What have we got to worry about?
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The worry is we have the financial muscle and the manager and squad to be an elite club, and FFP 2.0 is an attempt to stop us from spending on our targets.
 
blue62 said:
Weren't complaining about it before their 'new money' were they? The penny has dropped now and they realize the drawbridge has been pulled up. If you're outside the elite now, you will never get in. The new problem now is that even the old established elite can't keep pace anymore. There just isn't the money in the Italian, German, or even to an extent the Spanish league. Nothing they have introduced is either fair or progressive, it's just all restrictive practice designed to hold us back.
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Villa voted against FFP for the Prem.
 
Plays By Sense Of Smell said:
Now here's a thought...

If FFP was designed as Martin Samuel says, amongst other things, to keep City from taking Man U's place at the table...

And FFP2.0 is now locking the 'as is' standings pretty much in stone...

If we consider the rags' current situation (last roll of the dice, lots of very big gambles on players and a proven volatile manager)...

Is this a tacit signal that they (UEFA) have abandoned the rags to the wind? (i.e. locked in the possibility that their gambles come unstuck leaving a need for huge further obscene investment in a major future overhaul - which would now be rendered impossible).

Of course, should the rags wither and fall out of the top table, presumably then they could blitz again as there would be no threat that year of penalty (not in the CL anyway).
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What it will do is drive down the value of transfer fees for players getting toward the end of their contracts, but will drive up players wages where there will ne a bidding war. Sanchez's deal will seem small time
The real issue is that if the money is nearly all being spent on wages then that's even more money leaving the game
If there is a restriction on the number of academy players, our owner will build another in a different part of the world
 
lets see how this plays out. i get the feeling that they have limited ability to do much given EU law for anti competitive behaviour. I don't think that this time we will sit by and take things on the chin like we did previously when they hit us with FFP penalties, nor will PSG. There has been too much money invested for these clowns to chop and change things with a stroke of a pen just because it suits them. Next time round I doubt we'll be playing nice, I wouldn't rule out court action if they came at us a SECOND time.
 
I think some are missing the point with these new FFP regulations, it looks to me that it is being driven by the established Leagues the Spanish, Italian and German, PSG taking Neymar out of Spain in his prime was a real kick in the bollocks for La Ligue and the TV deal here in England means the So called established clubs in these top leagues are struggling to cope with the financial power of the lower ranking Prem teams never mind the so called elite
It's been implemented to stop all Prem teams not just City and PSG
 
Metalartin said:
Interesting suggestion that Abromovich and Platini are on the same side now after the former having bought himself into the position he wanted. Chelsea do seem to have oddly curbed their spending at times they could have spent and reinforced, maybe there is something to that.
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Not a suggestion and has been the case for a while. Platini specifically mentioned that Abramovich had pushed for the initial FFP years ago.
 
Plays By Sense Of Smell said:
Now here's a thought...

If FFP was designed as Martin Samuel says, amongst other things, to keep City from taking Man U's place at the table...

And FFP2.0 is now locking the 'as is' standings pretty much in stone...

If we consider the rags' current situation (last roll of the dice, lots of very big gambles on players and a proven volatile manager)...

Is this a tacit signal that they (UEFA) have abandoned the rags to the wind? (i.e. locked in the possibility that their gambles come unstuck leaving a need for huge further obscene investment in a major future overhaul - which would now be rendered impossible).

Of course, should the rags wither and fall out of the top table, presumably then they could blitz again as there would be no threat that year of penalty (not in the CL anyway).
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I doubt it. Gill will be involved.
 
Skip Donoghue said:
I think some are missing the point with these new FFP regulations, it looks to me that it is being driven by the established Leagues the Spanish, Italian and German, PSG taking Neymar out of Spain in his prime was a real kick in the bollocks for La Ligue and the TV deal here in England means the So called established clubs in these top leagues are struggling to cope with the financial power of the lower ranking Prem teams never mind the so called elite
It's been implemented to stop all Prem teams not just City and PSG
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Yep. I fail to see how the new regs could target and hamper only us and PSG, and nobody else. Samuel's article is very good as per usual on this topic but it's not as though they're proposing something really specific such as outlawing owners from Abu Dhabi and Qatar! This sounds like it's aimed at the Premier League in particular due to the huge amounts of cash clubs can earn from TV rights, which enables the likes of Bournemouth to go out and spend £30 million on a single player and not get into any financial difficulty, and it's pissing the other leagues off. Personally, I say tough shit if the other leagues aren't capable of marketing themselves as well as the Premier League has - I didn't see the Spanish and Italian clubs complaining 25-30 years ago when much of the big money was concentrated there and most of the best players in the world were flocking there as a result.

In any case, our team rebuilding is almost complete so for the next few years at least there will be much less need for a large net spend, unless a large number of our players mysteriously flop. People need to remember that United had a bigger net spend than us last summer so they would've fallen foul of FFP 2.0 as well, and by the looks of things they might need an even bigger net spend this coming summer if they don't look like closing the gap on us.

In short, I'm not in the least bit bothered.
 
Manchester_lalala said:
All you see is Villa fans complaining about FFP on Twitter. Wolves fans are the same, as are plenty more clubs. More people are aware why FFP was created now. It’s not UEFA’s and the top clubs little secret anymore.
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Villa voted for it didn’t they?
 
As far as i know, ourselves, Chelsea, PSG and even U**ted are all against FFP 2.0.

This is driven solely from the elite clubs of Italy, Germany and Spain.

We will have more power in fighting against this version now we have backing off other elite clubs. Last time we were hung out to dry along with PSG.
 
deano ou812 said:
My only concern is that these constant attempts to halt our progress,could have shiek mansour deciding enoughs enough and prepare to sell up,god knows what goes on behind closed doors at meetings like the G14 or actual contact between say city and real or Barca all nicey nicely then when it’s over stabbing you in the back,I’m sure he’s frustrated I know we as fans are..
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If he inspired the pull out it is a massive turnaround because he is a RM supporter at least he was when he bought City.
 
Under the new proposal, does the 90m allowance roll over to the next year if it's not spent (i.e. is it averaged out over a number of years or is it a case of use it or lose it)?
 
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