City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[Dextersmate]

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It's a "wait and see" from me. Can some positives. Can see some negatives.

Positive is the £100 mil for Ronaldo thats included!.

 

[Tbilisi]

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The Real Madrid thing is a huge story I am amazed the press and even more so City fans aren't all over it. Like it or not out owners now have a real influence at Madrid and we now have ties. Short of buying Madrid which is not allowed by their constitution this deal makes Abu Dhabi a huge influence to Madrid and vice versa for a very long time. in doing this and also with likely sponsorship too we now have another ally.

This could be good and also bad, this could well take emirati money to madrid and it could mean sharing the limelight within markets, it could mean less likelihood on going head to head with Madrid on players and it would make deals between the clubs much easier, it could mean madrid tapping into Nycfc, it means another voice in the g14 and in some ways the most powerful voice will not speak against City - interestingly Barca and PSG have similar informal networks .

Since our outrageous fine last summer we have allied with a major champions league sponsor and our owners have gained very significant influence over the world's biggest club - things definitely moving away from some of the old g14 and in our favour!!! I would Also wager on a pretty big money spinning game against Madrid next summer.

Good post,I suspect our owners are continuing the fight this way against "our friends from UEFA" as they always intended.

Gill like a shitting dog.....that made me smile.......add Sir Ticket Tout and GPC to that list.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

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So with this tie-in, Isco is back on then? A January loan maybe with a view to a permanent deal?

And should anything like that happen,that's when wenger will be calling foul play.

 

[aguero93:20]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

So with this tie-in, Isco is back on then? A January loan maybe with a view to a permanent deal?

And should anything like that happen,that's when wenger will be calling foul play.

Highlighted bits weren't necessary.

 

[Salford_Blue]

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Martin Samuel's article as above:

Marco Reus scored against Bayern Munich on Saturday. Don’t worry, they won’t let it happen next year.
Reus is the among the last remaining jewels at Borussia Dortmund, a lightning-quick winger or attacking midfielder, and the German Footballer of the Year in 2012.
Had he not injured an ankle in a friendly for Germany against Armenia in June he would almost certainly have a World Cup winner’s medal, too. Reus had played in six qualifiers, scored five goals and registered three assists.

At 25, he is approaching the peak of his career, as his goal against Munich demonstrated. It was a scintillating counter-attacking move, ending with a perfect Reus header to convert a cross by Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang. Ultimately meaningless, though.
In the second half Munich pulverised Dortmund, as should happen considering they have spent the last two years picking off their best players. Robert Lewandowski, ex-Dortmund, scored the equaliser, Franck Ribery, on for Mario Gotze — ex-Dortmund — won a late penalty that Arjen Robben converted.
And Reus is next. He has a buy-out clause in his contract, active this coming summer, for the lowly fee of £19.6million. Munich fully intend to trigger it and are at the head of a queue of clubs, including Liverpool and perhaps Manchester City.
Indeed, so public is Munich’s courtship that Dortmund have been forced to issue a statement warning them off further comment.
‘We know that Reus has a lot of quality,’ Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Munich’s chief executive officer, said in August, ‘and we know his clause. If a German international has an exit clause and his contract is running out, Bayern is obliged to think about him. For us a young German national player of such quality is interesting, but I do not want to make unrest in Dortmund.’
Of course not, perish the thought. Having taken Lewandowski and Gotze from their main rivals in consecutive seasons, and seen them plummet to 17th place in an 18-team league as a result, the last thing Munich would wish to do is screw Dortmund entirely.
The latest edition of Der Klassiker, as hopeful pundits have taken to calling matches between Munich and Dortmund, sounds as if it was close, with just an 85th-minute penalty separating the teams, but you had to see it. The balance of play was little different to Chelsea and Queens Park Rangers.
Munich had 25 shots to Dortmund’s 10 (Chelsea 18 QPR 7), of which 14 were on target against Dortmund’s four (Chelsea 8 QPR 1). Munich had nine corners to Dortmund’s two (Chelsea 13 QPR 2) and enjoyed 65 per cent of possession to Dortmund’s 35 (the same, in Chelsea’s favour). So Munich played Dortmund like QPR. A very skilled, counter-attacking QPR — but QPR nonetheless.
That is the gulf between the teams at the moment. That is where Financial Fair Play has brought us. Der Klassiker? It’s a mismatch — and about to get worse.
They obviously don’t do irony at Bayern Munich, either, because answering fears of one-club domination in the Bundesliga, Rummenigge said that the Premier League is lucky because as many as five clubs can win the title. Lucky. As if it is some quirk, some little twist of fate, that English football has contrived to maintain its competitive integrity against the odds.
The only good fortune that English football had is that men like Rummenigge were not allowed to regulate it sooner. Up to him, and it would be over: a two-horse race conducted by Manchester United and Arsenal each year, slightly more interesting than the current Bundesliga, but not much.
Do you know the reason English football does not have a Klassiker or a Clasico? Because it’s not about the same two teams almost every season. There will be odd exceptions, such as Atletico Madrid’s magnificent campaign in 2013-14, but in Spain and Germany it is now accepted that two big beasts dominate. At least Real Madrid and Barcelona are equals, though.

In Germany, Munich have successfully neutered the opposition and are unassailable. Saturday night’s match confirmed it. Once Munich equalised, it was obvious they would win. This was no grand contest. It was like watching an elite club beat up an inferior, wave after wave of pressure, pinning them in their own half. The distance between Dortmund’s midfield and their lone forward grew greater. The game’s third goal was a matter of time.
And the reason five teams can win the Premier League? Owner investment. The gift to competition that Rummenigge and his cronies among the traditional elite fought so hard to outlaw. Munich were at the forefront of the move to hound new money out of the game, for fear it would impact on their own selfish interests.
If they could remove the threat of wealthy owners, pulling up a club by its bootstraps, they would have the field to themselves. And they have succeeded in Germany; but not here.
If Rummenigge had his way, Chelsea and Manchester City would be mired in their historic forms, unable to grow or challenge. City, in particular, stormed the fortress just in time. The drawbridge is raised now. There is no way in. Southampton are bucking a trend this season and it would be wonderful if they could maintain this form all the way into club football’s greatest competition.
But long-term? A threat to Bayern Munich? Are you mad? Rummenigge wasn’t including Southampton in the Premier League’s big five. He meant the two Manchester clubs, Arsenal and Chelsea, plus Liverpool. And two of them, at least, are interlopers.
UEFA’s Financial Fair Play ethos has now been warped by the elite to make sure the sudden growth of Chelsea and City cannot happen again. Yet that ambition is exactly what the German league needs to remain competitive.

If Munich can routinely plunder the second biggest club in Germany for players, how can they ever lose?
They would have to make a monumental error — as Manchester United did the summer after Sir Alex Ferguson departed — to surrender supreme status. And even then it would be temporary, as United’s fall will surely be.
Yet what if, instead of importing Angel di Maria, Radamel Falcao or Daley Blind, Manchester United went shopping each summer in this country? That they could pluck Sergio Aguero from Manchester City or John Terry from Chelsea, so that every leap forward for them was a stumble backwards for their competitors? That is where Munich are right now and for the foreseeable future.
Imagine a repeat of the Robin van Persie transfer every summer so that Arsenal then lost Jack Wilshere to United and maybe Alexis Sanchez at the end of this season. That is what is happening in Germany: one club so strong that it can take from any rival. There is much to admire in German football. Not least the connection with the fans, and the national team — but not this.
One counter-argument is that, if Reus becomes the third player to leave Dortmund for Munich in consecutive seasons, at least his club will get serious money to rebuild and come at their adversaries again. Yet that isn’t the case. Reus is from Dortmund but slipped through the net. He was in their ranks as a teenager but left to get regular games for Rot Weiss Ahlen in 2006.
In the end, it cost Dortmund £13.4m to buy him back from Borussia Monchengladbach in 2012. And the only way they could do it is by inserting that notorious buy-out clause.
Now why would a young player, returning to his hometown club — the reigning champions at the time — wish to have a getaway option just three years later? Maybe Reus saw the writing on the wall. He wanted to be available in case Bayern Munich came calling.
It is not credible that a player at Chelsea or Manchester City would ask for a break in his contract to facilitate interest from Manchester United. The executives employed by Sheik Mansour and Roman Abramovich would never agree to it.
And that’s why there is no English Klassiker and five teams can win our league. Because we have thrived despite Rummenigge’s most selfish intentions — and because two clubs that are everything he hates got through just in time.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

So with this tie-in, Isco is back on then? A January loan maybe with a view to a permanent deal?

And should anything like that happen,that's when wenger will be calling foul play.

Highlighted bits weren't necessary.

True enough.

 

[fbloke]

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Its reasonable to say that almost everyone in world football is playing catch-up when it comes to the intentions and plans of Abu Dhabi and Sheikh Mansour.

As we all take on board the scale and scope of the CFA and CFG plans there will no doubt be added tangents that changed our perspective and still we dont know what will be built on most of the campus site.

Then just as we think we get our heads around what we think we know they announce a funding package to develop Real Madrid's infrastructure.

We still havent seen the South American element of the CFG nor the South African one announced either.

Its nice trying to keep up though.

 

[VOOMER]

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Martin Samuel's article as above:

Marco Reus scored against Bayern Munich on Saturday. Don’t worry, they won’t let it happen next year.
Reus is the among the last remaining jewels at Borussia Dortmund, a lightning-quick winger or attacking midfielder, and the German Footballer of the Year in 2012.
Had he not injured an ankle in a friendly for Germany against Armenia in June he would almost certainly have a World Cup winner’s medal, too. Reus had played in six qualifiers, scored five goals and registered three assists.

At 25, he is approaching the peak of his career, as his goal against Munich demonstrated. It was a scintillating counter-attacking move, ending with a perfect Reus header to convert a cross by Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang. Ultimately meaningless, though.
In the second half Munich pulverised Dortmund, as should happen considering they have spent the last two years picking off their best players. Robert Lewandowski, ex-Dortmund, scored the equaliser, Franck Ribery, on for Mario Gotze — ex-Dortmund — won a late penalty that Arjen Robben converted.
And Reus is next. He has a buy-out clause in his contract, active this coming summer, for the lowly fee of £19.6million. Munich fully intend to trigger it and are at the head of a queue of clubs, including Liverpool and perhaps Manchester City.
Indeed, so public is Munich’s courtship that Dortmund have been forced to issue a statement warning them off further comment.
‘We know that Reus has a lot of quality,’ Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Munich’s chief executive officer, said in August, ‘and we know his clause. If a German international has an exit clause and his contract is running out, Bayern is obliged to think about him. For us a young German national player of such quality is interesting, but I do not want to make unrest in Dortmund.’
Of course not, perish the thought. Having taken Lewandowski and Gotze from their main rivals in consecutive seasons, and seen them plummet to 17th place in an 18-team league as a result, the last thing Munich would wish to do is screw Dortmund entirely.
The latest edition of Der Klassiker, as hopeful pundits have taken to calling matches between Munich and Dortmund, sounds as if it was close, with just an 85th-minute penalty separating the teams, but you had to see it. The balance of play was little different to Chelsea and Queens Park Rangers.
Munich had 25 shots to Dortmund’s 10 (Chelsea 18 QPR 7), of which 14 were on target against Dortmund’s four (Chelsea 8 QPR 1). Munich had nine corners to Dortmund’s two (Chelsea 13 QPR 2) and enjoyed 65 per cent of possession to Dortmund’s 35 (the same, in Chelsea’s favour). So Munich played Dortmund like QPR. A very skilled, counter-attacking QPR — but QPR nonetheless.
That is the gulf between the teams at the moment. That is where Financial Fair Play has brought us. Der Klassiker? It’s a mismatch — and about to get worse.
They obviously don’t do irony at Bayern Munich, either, because answering fears of one-club domination in the Bundesliga, Rummenigge said that the Premier League is lucky because as many as five clubs can win the title. Lucky. As if it is some quirk, some little twist of fate, that English football has contrived to maintain its competitive integrity against the odds.
The only good fortune that English football had is that men like Rummenigge were not allowed to regulate it sooner. Up to him, and it would be over: a two-horse race conducted by Manchester United and Arsenal each year, slightly more interesting than the current Bundesliga, but not much.
Do you know the reason English football does not have a Klassiker or a Clasico? Because it’s not about the same two teams almost every season. There will be odd exceptions, such as Atletico Madrid’s magnificent campaign in 2013-14, but in Spain and Germany it is now accepted that two big beasts dominate. At least Real Madrid and Barcelona are equals, though.

In Germany, Munich have successfully neutered the opposition and are unassailable. Saturday night’s match confirmed it. Once Munich equalised, it was obvious they would win. This was no grand contest. It was like watching an elite club beat up an inferior, wave after wave of pressure, pinning them in their own half. The distance between Dortmund’s midfield and their lone forward grew greater. The game’s third goal was a matter of time.
And the reason five teams can win the Premier League? Owner investment. The gift to competition that Rummenigge and his cronies among the traditional elite fought so hard to outlaw. Munich were at the forefront of the move to hound new money out of the game, for fear it would impact on their own selfish interests.
If they could remove the threat of wealthy owners, pulling up a club by its bootstraps, they would have the field to themselves. And they have succeeded in Germany; but not here.
If Rummenigge had his way, Chelsea and Manchester City would be mired in their historic forms, unable to grow or challenge. City, in particular, stormed the fortress just in time. The drawbridge is raised now. There is no way in. Southampton are bucking a trend this season and it would be wonderful if they could maintain this form all the way into club football’s greatest competition.
But long-term? A threat to Bayern Munich? Are you mad? Rummenigge wasn’t including Southampton in the Premier League’s big five. He meant the two Manchester clubs, Arsenal and Chelsea, plus Liverpool. And two of them, at least, are interlopers.
UEFA’s Financial Fair Play ethos has now been warped by the elite to make sure the sudden growth of Chelsea and City cannot happen again. Yet that ambition is exactly what the German league needs to remain competitive.

If Munich can routinely plunder the second biggest club in Germany for players, how can they ever lose?
They would have to make a monumental error — as Manchester United did the summer after Sir Alex Ferguson departed — to surrender supreme status. And even then it would be temporary, as United’s fall will surely be.
Yet what if, instead of importing Angel di Maria, Radamel Falcao or Daley Blind, Manchester United went shopping each summer in this country? That they could pluck Sergio Aguero from Manchester City or John Terry from Chelsea, so that every leap forward for them was a stumble backwards for their competitors? That is where Munich are right now and for the foreseeable future.
Imagine a repeat of the Robin van Persie transfer every summer so that Arsenal then lost Jack Wilshere to United and maybe Alexis Sanchez at the end of this season. That is what is happening in Germany: one club so strong that it can take from any rival. There is much to admire in German football. Not least the connection with the fans, and the national team — but not this.
One counter-argument is that, if Reus becomes the third player to leave Dortmund for Munich in consecutive seasons, at least his club will get serious money to rebuild and come at their adversaries again. Yet that isn’t the case. Reus is from Dortmund but slipped through the net. He was in their ranks as a teenager but left to get regular games for Rot Weiss Ahlen in 2006.
In the end, it cost Dortmund £13.4m to buy him back from Borussia Monchengladbach in 2012. And the only way they could do it is by inserting that notorious buy-out clause.
Now why would a young player, returning to his hometown club — the reigning champions at the time — wish to have a getaway option just three years later? Maybe Reus saw the writing on the wall. He wanted to be available in case Bayern Munich came calling.
It is not credible that a player at Chelsea or Manchester City would ask for a break in his contract to facilitate interest from Manchester United. The executives employed by Sheik Mansour and Roman Abramovich would never agree to it.
And that’s why there is no English Klassiker and five teams can win our league. Because we have thrived despite Rummenigge’s most selfish intentions — and because two clubs that are everything he hates got through just in time.

Mr Samuels take a bow, bravo sir, bravo.

 

[hgblue]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Martin Samuel's article as above:

Marco Reus scored against Bayern Munich on Saturday. Don’t worry, they won’t let it happen next year.
Reus is the among the last remaining jewels at Borussia Dortmund, a lightning-quick winger or attacking midfielder, and the German Footballer of the Year in 2012.
Had he not injured an ankle in a friendly for Germany against Armenia in June he would almost certainly have a World Cup winner’s medal, too. Reus had played in six qualifiers, scored five goals and registered three assists.

At 25, he is approaching the peak of his career, as his goal against Munich demonstrated. It was a scintillating counter-attacking move, ending with a perfect Reus header to convert a cross by Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang. Ultimately meaningless, though.
In the second half Munich pulverised Dortmund, as should happen considering they have spent the last two years picking off their best players. Robert Lewandowski, ex-Dortmund, scored the equaliser, Franck Ribery, on for Mario Gotze — ex-Dortmund — won a late penalty that Arjen Robben converted.
And Reus is next. He has a buy-out clause in his contract, active this coming summer, for the lowly fee of £19.6million. Munich fully intend to trigger it and are at the head of a queue of clubs, including Liverpool and perhaps Manchester City.
Indeed, so public is Munich’s courtship that Dortmund have been forced to issue a statement warning them off further comment.
‘We know that Reus has a lot of quality,’ Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Munich’s chief executive officer, said in August, ‘and we know his clause. If a German international has an exit clause and his contract is running out, Bayern is obliged to think about him. For us a young German national player of such quality is interesting, but I do not want to make unrest in Dortmund.’
Of course not, perish the thought. Having taken Lewandowski and Gotze from their main rivals in consecutive seasons, and seen them plummet to 17th place in an 18-team league as a result, the last thing Munich would wish to do is screw Dortmund entirely.
The latest edition of Der Klassiker, as hopeful pundits have taken to calling matches between Munich and Dortmund, sounds as if it was close, with just an 85th-minute penalty separating the teams, but you had to see it. The balance of play was little different to Chelsea and Queens Park Rangers.
Munich had 25 shots to Dortmund’s 10 (Chelsea 18 QPR 7), of which 14 were on target against Dortmund’s four (Chelsea 8 QPR 1). Munich had nine corners to Dortmund’s two (Chelsea 13 QPR 2) and enjoyed 65 per cent of possession to Dortmund’s 35 (the same, in Chelsea’s favour). So Munich played Dortmund like QPR. A very skilled, counter-attacking QPR — but QPR nonetheless.
That is the gulf between the teams at the moment. That is where Financial Fair Play has brought us. Der Klassiker? It’s a mismatch — and about to get worse.
They obviously don’t do irony at Bayern Munich, either, because answering fears of one-club domination in the Bundesliga, Rummenigge said that the Premier League is lucky because as many as five clubs can win the title. Lucky. As if it is some quirk, some little twist of fate, that English football has contrived to maintain its competitive integrity against the odds.
The only good fortune that English football had is that men like Rummenigge were not allowed to regulate it sooner. Up to him, and it would be over: a two-horse race conducted by Manchester United and Arsenal each year, slightly more interesting than the current Bundesliga, but not much.
Do you know the reason English football does not have a Klassiker or a Clasico? Because it’s not about the same two teams almost every season. There will be odd exceptions, such as Atletico Madrid’s magnificent campaign in 2013-14, but in Spain and Germany it is now accepted that two big beasts dominate. At least Real Madrid and Barcelona are equals, though.

In Germany, Munich have successfully neutered the opposition and are unassailable. Saturday night’s match confirmed it. Once Munich equalised, it was obvious they would win. This was no grand contest. It was like watching an elite club beat up an inferior, wave after wave of pressure, pinning them in their own half. The distance between Dortmund’s midfield and their lone forward grew greater. The game’s third goal was a matter of time.
And the reason five teams can win the Premier League? Owner investment. The gift to competition that Rummenigge and his cronies among the traditional elite fought so hard to outlaw. Munich were at the forefront of the move to hound new money out of the game, for fear it would impact on their own selfish interests.
If they could remove the threat of wealthy owners, pulling up a club by its bootstraps, they would have the field to themselves. And they have succeeded in Germany; but not here.
If Rummenigge had his way, Chelsea and Manchester City would be mired in their historic forms, unable to grow or challenge. City, in particular, stormed the fortress just in time. The drawbridge is raised now. There is no way in. Southampton are bucking a trend this season and it would be wonderful if they could maintain this form all the way into club football’s greatest competition.
But long-term? A threat to Bayern Munich? Are you mad? Rummenigge wasn’t including Southampton in the Premier League’s big five. He meant the two Manchester clubs, Arsenal and Chelsea, plus Liverpool. And two of them, at least, are interlopers.
UEFA’s Financial Fair Play ethos has now been warped by the elite to make sure the sudden growth of Chelsea and City cannot happen again. Yet that ambition is exactly what the German league needs to remain competitive.

If Munich can routinely plunder the second biggest club in Germany for players, how can they ever lose?
They would have to make a monumental error — as Manchester United did the summer after Sir Alex Ferguson departed — to surrender supreme status. And even then it would be temporary, as United’s fall will surely be.
Yet what if, instead of importing Angel di Maria, Radamel Falcao or Daley Blind, Manchester United went shopping each summer in this country? That they could pluck Sergio Aguero from Manchester City or John Terry from Chelsea, so that every leap forward for them was a stumble backwards for their competitors? That is where Munich are right now and for the foreseeable future.
Imagine a repeat of the Robin van Persie transfer every summer so that Arsenal then lost Jack Wilshere to United and maybe Alexis Sanchez at the end of this season. That is what is happening in Germany: one club so strong that it can take from any rival. There is much to admire in German football. Not least the connection with the fans, and the national team — but not this.
One counter-argument is that, if Reus becomes the third player to leave Dortmund for Munich in consecutive seasons, at least his club will get serious money to rebuild and come at their adversaries again. Yet that isn’t the case. Reus is from Dortmund but slipped through the net. He was in their ranks as a teenager but left to get regular games for Rot Weiss Ahlen in 2006.
In the end, it cost Dortmund £13.4m to buy him back from Borussia Monchengladbach in 2012. And the only way they could do it is by inserting that notorious buy-out clause.
Now why would a young player, returning to his hometown club — the reigning champions at the time — wish to have a getaway option just three years later? Maybe Reus saw the writing on the wall. He wanted to be available in case Bayern Munich came calling.
It is not credible that a player at Chelsea or Manchester City would ask for a break in his contract to facilitate interest from Manchester United. The executives employed by Sheik Mansour and Roman Abramovich would never agree to it.
And that’s why there is no English Klassiker and five teams can win our league. Because we have thrived despite Rummenigge’s most selfish intentions — and because two clubs that are everything he hates got through just in time.

Samuels nails it every time. Why can't the rest of the numpties in the media see what the cartel is up to?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

I'm convinced Real Madrid have in all but name become another strategy component of the City Football Group.

Sheikh Mansour was linked with with buying the club, outright, just a couple years back, despite the club constitution and UEFA rules.

His business relationship with Florentino Perez goes back a number of years and he visits Abu Dhabi once a year to holiday on our owner's 'boat'.

I never quite twigged at the time, but the visit of ex-King Carlos of Spain for the recent Spurs game now makes a lot of sense.

He is a passionate Real Madrid supporter who has, shall we say, been able to grease a few wheels down the years to access funding for the club.

As others have stated, it will do us no harm to have an ally at the table, certainly one with as powerful a bargaining chip as Madrid.

Even if Bayern and United wanted to threaten UEFA with a breakaway, they would need Madrid to give it true legitimacy.

For the sake of a £400m loan, when you already have cash burning a hole in your pocket, allied to players we will be able to broker on, it's another very shrewd move by our owner.

Barca's loss is Madrid's gain.

More importantly, City's.