City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Grolsch30 said:
CityzenHill99 said:
what Manchester City are doing outside of UEFA headquarters after qualifying to the knock out stage of the champions league...
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what Manchester City are doing outside of UEFA headquarters.


Major LOL thats fantastic :)
Until I saw that I truly thought sarcasm was the highest form of wit.
 
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I see a lot of posts about us lowering our wages by renegotiating the basis of contracts on to performance related contracts. I really can't see this having a major difference. It won't be Kompany being on £100k a week unless we win the league then he earns 200k a week. There will be, in my opinion, a difference over and above what they were on if we win things but the players will never be massively out of pocket if we don't win anything. If anything the rewards for winning things will be much higher than the basic they were on beforehand so it's conceivable the wagebill goes up.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

johnmc said:
I see a lot of posts about us lowering our wages by renegotiating the basis of contracts on to performance related contracts. I really can't see this having a major difference. It won't be Kompany being on £100k a week unless we win the league then he earns 200k a week. There will be, in my opinion, a difference over and above what they were on if we win things but the players will never be massively out of pocket if we don't win anything. If anything the rewards for winning things will be much higher than the basic they were on beforehand so it's conceivable the wagebill goes up.
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Re: City & FFP (continued)

City Raider said:
Interesting:

Matt Scott: Man City's FFP-friendly accounts could take football down a rabbit hole

Published on Thursday, 11 December 2014 08:39
"If you drink from a bottle marked 'poison' it is almost certain to disagree with you, sooner or later." Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Manchester City's accounts released last week described a fantastical transformation of their financial fortunes. This is a club truly living in a football wonderland that even the most imaginative Alice of a fan could surely not have dreamed of 15 years ago.

Champions of England and winners of the Capital One Cup, they benefited from the tremendous growth in Premier League broadcasting contracts. Like all Premier League clubs, City have consumed a biscuit marked 'EAT ME' that has hugely pumped up their revenues. Uniquely, though, with certain elements of their cost base, the Etihad club have also drunk from the bottle marked 'DRINK ME', shrinking things to fit the UEFA financial fair play environment that previously bit them so hard.

It is a remarkable turnaround after City's comprehensive breach of the FFP regulations in the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons led UEFA to impose a €20 million (£15.7m, $24.7m) fine, with a further €40 million (£31.4m, $49.6m) suspended. So let's see how they've achieved it, if indeed they have at all.

Now as I have stated here before it is very difficult to scrutinise a club's performance vis à vis FFP from the outside. There are a number of elements of a club's operations, invisible to the external analyst, which are deductible from UEFA's considerations — such as expenditure on the infrastructure and wages around youth development. This makes accurate analysis impossible.

But it is possible to extrapolate a number of estimates from what the clubs do report, and I shall attempt to do so here. First of all it is worth going over the parameters again, which state that clubs may accumulate a maximum permitted "break-even calculation" loss of €45 million (£35.3m, $55.6m) in seasons 2013-14 and 2014-15.

UEFA's sums have a number of inputs. On the income side these include general turnover and profit or income from player sales and from the sales of real estate. On the expense side it includes wages, the "other operating expenses" - such as utility bills, agents' fees, insurances etc.

Using City's reported accounts from the past three seasons, the following picture emerges.

Manchester City income-and-expenses analysis 2012-2014



Here I should reiterate that these numbers are perhaps a few millions out here and there due to the unseen deductibles, but they should be reasonably close to the true state of affairs at the Etihad Stadium. And it is clear for all to see that in the 2011-to-2013 FFP monitoring period, City missed their target as wildly as their woeful former striker Jô ever did with the ball at his feet.

Clubs were permitted cumulative losses over the two-season 2011-2013 period of €45 million. And they absolutely smashed it, although not in a good way. Indeed, the £124.3million (€157.8m, $194.4m) of losses could even be represented as an underestimate: UEFA ruled that the "Other Income" line included above for 2011-12 and 2012-13, totalling £60.5 million (€76.9m, $94.7m), was inadmissible since it comprised sales of airy "intellectual property", the bulk of which went to fellow subsidiary companies of the Abu Dhabi United Group.

From an FFP point of view, the club's performance in their 2011-12 Premier League-title-winning season and the subsequent one, when they reached the FA Cup final, were absolute disasters. But that said, the turnaround in a mere 12 months since has been quite extraordinary.

The greatest contributor to their financial recovery was the Premier League. Its broadcast distributions to City, who lifted the trophy on the season's final day, rose 58.6% to £101.9 million (€129.4, $158.8m). Also rising were the club's commercial incomes, by a very impressive £22.8 million. UEFA, which has closely monitored City's commercial arrangements with related-party sponsors, will check whether these funds have been raised at market rates - in its "settlement" with City it required that the club would "not seek to improve the financial terms of two second-tier commercial partnerships".

What will be more interesting still to UEFA is how the revenue upside was reinforced by a reduction in the wage expense, which fell 12% to £205.0 million ($260.1m, £319.6m). In this latter element, City have been quite creative.

According to the accounts there was a very severe reduction in headcount, from 449 to 314 - a staggering, DRINK-ME shrinkage. This implies a wholesale UEFA-enforced redundancy of the workforce that took the staff down more than 30%. Given that City is an important local employer in the Eastlands area of Manchester it is puzzling that there have been no tremors in the press in relation to a grave UEFA-enforced cull creating substantial job losses.

It seems the journalist Nick Harris had the answer as to why this is on the Daily Mail Online website last week. He reported that City had explained to him the reduction in headcount was due to the 100-plus football staff now being paid via other entities in the Abu Dhabi United Group. The club said they are then billed for the outsourced services. City do not appear to have contested the Mail's report, which is now over a week old. (Although a spokeswoman for the club has declined to engage on the club accounts with Insideworldfootball, despite several attempts to discuss them in more detail.)

Still, the disappearance of any directors' emoluments from the accounts for the club's UK parent company, Manchester City Limited - effecting a multimillion-pound saving - might point to the accuracy of Harris's claims. In the 2010-11 season, City were paying £2 million (€2.5m, $3.1m) to directors but over the course of last season this had been reduced to only a four-figure sum.

The club's cash operating costs over and above wages have risen £27.8 million (€35.2m, $43.4m) year on year, which would be consistent with the €20 million UEFA fine alongside the outsourcing and rebilling for £10.8 million (€13.7m, $16.9m) of staff costs as reported by the Mail. The 2012-13 bill may have been elevated due to the dismissal of the manager Roberto Mancini and his staff. But there is no question this off-balance-sheet accounting for those employees has definitely created efficiencies, as the overall salary expense fell by £28.1 million including social-security and pension contributions.

This whole area of outsourcing payments to staff through non-licensed affiliates raises intriguing FFP implications. How can UEFA as licensor be sure that what is rebilled by fellow group companies is consistent with the amount of time these staff spend on City affairs? UEFA has previously rejected the "intellectual property" sale to fellow group companies, but is this process merely repackaging it?

Although City's is a small-scale incursion into off-balance-sheet diversion, the experience of other industry sectors shows the whole area is a potential bottleful of poison. The Bank for International Settlements found in its 2009 working paper "The US dollar shortage in global banking and the international policy response" that the difficulty in tracing banks' true liabilities through overseas affiliates had contributed significantly to the global credit crisis. If BIS, the bank for central banks, cannot have a handle on the offshore assets in its industry, UEFA's chances of understanding the expenditure of clubs that hive it off balance sheet are nil.

As soon as things are pushed offshore it opens a huge potential loophole for clubs with wealthy benefactors. The nature of the club-licensing environment is for clubs to account for all their income and expenditure through a holding company whose reports are available to the UEFA licensing body. These are the football rules. But there is nothing in law to back them up, and it leaves the FFP system open to abuse.

Football already uses the offshore environment routinely, whether for club ownership structures or for commercial and broadcasting entities that generate international revenues for clubs. This brings a number of efficiencies. Top footballers, too, have used offshore entities to structure their pay.

Although paying players through deliberate tax-avoidance mechanisms offshore, such as misused Employee Benefit Trusts, can create big difficulties with inland-revenue services, there is nothing illegal in paying someone offshore as long as the requisite tax is paid on the income.

Normally clubs who have used such mechanisms have been trying to divert more cash into player wages by reducing concomitant tax liabilities, thus enhancing team performance. If players demand to be paid millions of pounds in wages net, then the less tax paid means a better calibre of player can be acquired. But this can be a dangerous game of taxman jeopardy, as Arsenal found to their multimillion-pound cost in the last decade.

That said, if prior to FFP a club had not been operating entirely from within its own resources due to the supreme wealth of its benefactor, these considerations do not apply, because the imperative has always been for football success at any cost. A multibillionaire owner or sovereign-wealth fund can foot players' top-layered tax payments and shrug them off as pocket change.

Compare the two slides below, where the first, Club A - operating entirely on its own-generated resources - puts all of its player-salary payments through the FFP-scrutinised books, and the other, club B, offshores some of its player-wage payments.








Now although I have introduced this concept in a column about Manchester City's FFP compliance, it must be underlined that there is absolutely nothing to suggest that City have used the offshore mechanism above. This goes way beyond paying a few directors or even dozens of football-analytics staff through off-balance-sheet entities.

The purpose of the above images is merely to illustrate how the clubs with the richest benefactors might be tempted to use perfectly legal offshore mechanisms (provided the requisite taxes are paid) to avoid the scrutiny of UEFA's licensing body altogether. If money-no-object Club B wanted to hire Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi and Manuel Neuer all at once, it could pay them a manageable salary of, say, £10 million (€12.7m, $15.7m) a year each through the books of the FFP-scrutinised entity and then top it up with any amount through the offshore mechanism.

There really would be nothing UEFA could do about it because they could never know if this sort of thing is going on. The licensor relies on the timely and honest provision of clubs' annual reports and accounts. Clubs or their parents making payments through structures using the tax-haven secrecy of offshore entities could never be found out, because UEFA cannot look into cash movements through tax havens in the way that some tax authorities can.

So UEFA has a big decision ahead. It might be satisfied with City's new employment arrangements and allow workers to be sub-contracted out from the club's affiliate companies. But it should be aware that tolerating any off-balance-sheet activity at all is to go down a rabbit hole from which there is no return.

Matty Scott the Arsenal fan having another go at City.

No mention of how Arsenal, Utd (tax dodging with an offshore Cayman Islands account), Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea et al manipulate their accounts.

The same Matt Scott who thinks Liverpool have been given a much harder time for poor results lately than City ever have, and no one should criticise poor Brendan Rodgers.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

I stopped reading when he stated that the non-football expenditure made accurate accounting impossible.

I skimmed the rest. The implication seems to be that the club are guilty whatever they do and whatever rules [that's UEFA rules] they abide by.

Anyway, I have no idea who this deluded and bitter chap is, and so he's already had too much of my time.

The CFA opening has certainly flushed out a few rats from the sewer. They'll be swallowing the poison soon enough.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

They don't like it up em, thats for sure. Whats he going to be saying in another 10 years when the Collar site is up and running.

Their World has been tipped on it's head, he knows things will never go back to how they were, he's in pain and I'm loving it!!! Fcuk em all!!!
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

City1974 said:
City Raider said:
Interesting:

Matt Scott: Man City's FFP-friendly accounts could take football down a rabbit hole

Published on Thursday, 11 December 2014 08:39
"If you drink from a bottle marked 'poison' it is almost certain to disagree with you, sooner or later." Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Manchester City's accounts released last week described a fantastical transformation of their financial fortunes. This is a club truly living in a football wonderland that even the most imaginative Alice of a fan could surely not have dreamed of 15 years ago.

Champions of England and winners of the Capital One Cup, they benefited from the tremendous growth in Premier League broadcasting contracts. Like all Premier League clubs, City have consumed a biscuit marked 'EAT ME' that has hugely pumped up their revenues. Uniquely, though, with certain elements of their cost base, the Etihad club have also drunk from the bottle marked 'DRINK ME', shrinking things to fit the UEFA financial fair play environment that previously bit them so hard.

It is a remarkable turnaround after City's comprehensive breach of the FFP regulations in the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons led UEFA to impose a €20 million (£15.7m, $24.7m) fine, with a further €40 million (£31.4m, $49.6m) suspended. So let's see how they've achieved it, if indeed they have at all.

Now as I have stated here before it is very difficult to scrutinise a club's performance vis à vis FFP from the outside. There are a number of elements of a club's operations, invisible to the external analyst, which are deductible from UEFA's considerations — such as expenditure on the infrastructure and wages around youth development. This makes accurate analysis impossible.

But it is possible to extrapolate a number of estimates from what the clubs do report, and I shall attempt to do so here. First of all it is worth going over the parameters again, which state that clubs may accumulate a maximum permitted "break-even calculation" loss of €45 million (£35.3m, $55.6m) in seasons 2013-14 and 2014-15.

UEFA's sums have a number of inputs. On the income side these include general turnover and profit or income from player sales and from the sales of real estate. On the expense side it includes wages, the "other operating expenses" - such as utility bills, agents' fees, insurances etc.

Using City's reported accounts from the past three seasons, the following picture emerges.

Manchester City income-and-expenses analysis 2012-2014



Here I should reiterate that these numbers are perhaps a few millions out here and there due to the unseen deductibles, but they should be reasonably close to the true state of affairs at the Etihad Stadium. And it is clear for all to see that in the 2011-to-2013 FFP monitoring period, City missed their target as wildly as their woeful former striker Jô ever did with the ball at his feet.

Clubs were permitted cumulative losses over the two-season 2011-2013 period of €45 million. And they absolutely smashed it, although not in a good way. Indeed, the £124.3million (€157.8m, $194.4m) of losses could even be represented as an underestimate: UEFA ruled that the "Other Income" line included above for 2011-12 and 2012-13, totalling £60.5 million (€76.9m, $94.7m), was inadmissible since it comprised sales of airy "intellectual property", the bulk of which went to fellow subsidiary companies of the Abu Dhabi United Group.

From an FFP point of view, the club's performance in their 2011-12 Premier League-title-winning season and the subsequent one, when they reached the FA Cup final, were absolute disasters. But that said, the turnaround in a mere 12 months since has been quite extraordinary.

The greatest contributor to their financial recovery was the Premier League. Its broadcast distributions to City, who lifted the trophy on the season's final day, rose 58.6% to £101.9 million (€129.4, $158.8m). Also rising were the club's commercial incomes, by a very impressive £22.8 million. UEFA, which has closely monitored City's commercial arrangements with related-party sponsors, will check whether these funds have been raised at market rates - in its "settlement" with City it required that the club would "not seek to improve the financial terms of two second-tier commercial partnerships".

What will be more interesting still to UEFA is how the revenue upside was reinforced by a reduction in the wage expense, which fell 12% to £205.0 million ($260.1m, £319.6m). In this latter element, City have been quite creative.

According to the accounts there was a very severe reduction in headcount, from 449 to 314 - a staggering, DRINK-ME shrinkage. This implies a wholesale UEFA-enforced redundancy of the workforce that took the staff down more than 30%. Given that City is an important local employer in the Eastlands area of Manchester it is puzzling that there have been no tremors in the press in relation to a grave UEFA-enforced cull creating substantial job losses.

It seems the journalist Nick Harris had the answer as to why this is on the Daily Mail Online website last week. He reported that City had explained to him the reduction in headcount was due to the 100-plus football staff now being paid via other entities in the Abu Dhabi United Group. The club said they are then billed for the outsourced services. City do not appear to have contested the Mail's report, which is now over a week old. (Although a spokeswoman for the club has declined to engage on the club accounts with Insideworldfootball, despite several attempts to discuss them in more detail.)

Still, the disappearance of any directors' emoluments from the accounts for the club's UK parent company, Manchester City Limited - effecting a multimillion-pound saving - might point to the accuracy of Harris's claims. In the 2010-11 season, City were paying £2 million (€2.5m, $3.1m) to directors but over the course of last season this had been reduced to only a four-figure sum.

The club's cash operating costs over and above wages have risen £27.8 million (€35.2m, $43.4m) year on year, which would be consistent with the €20 million UEFA fine alongside the outsourcing and rebilling for £10.8 million (€13.7m, $16.9m) of staff costs as reported by the Mail. The 2012-13 bill may have been elevated due to the dismissal of the manager Roberto Mancini and his staff. But there is no question this off-balance-sheet accounting for those employees has definitely created efficiencies, as the overall salary expense fell by £28.1 million including social-security and pension contributions.

This whole area of outsourcing payments to staff through non-licensed affiliates raises intriguing FFP implications. How can UEFA as licensor be sure that what is rebilled by fellow group companies is consistent with the amount of time these staff spend on City affairs? UEFA has previously rejected the "intellectual property" sale to fellow group companies, but is this process merely repackaging it?

Although City's is a small-scale incursion into off-balance-sheet diversion, the experience of other industry sectors shows the whole area is a potential bottleful of poison. The Bank for International Settlements found in its 2009 working paper "The US dollar shortage in global banking and the international policy response" that the difficulty in tracing banks' true liabilities through overseas affiliates had contributed significantly to the global credit crisis. If BIS, the bank for central banks, cannot have a handle on the offshore assets in its industry, UEFA's chances of understanding the expenditure of clubs that hive it off balance sheet are nil.

As soon as things are pushed offshore it opens a huge potential loophole for clubs with wealthy benefactors. The nature of the club-licensing environment is for clubs to account for all their income and expenditure through a holding company whose reports are available to the UEFA licensing body. These are the football rules. But there is nothing in law to back them up, and it leaves the FFP system open to abuse.

Football already uses the offshore environment routinely, whether for club ownership structures or for commercial and broadcasting entities that generate international revenues for clubs. This brings a number of efficiencies. Top footballers, too, have used offshore entities to structure their pay.

Although paying players through deliberate tax-avoidance mechanisms offshore, such as misused Employee Benefit Trusts, can create big difficulties with inland-revenue services, there is nothing illegal in paying someone offshore as long as the requisite tax is paid on the income.

Normally clubs who have used such mechanisms have been trying to divert more cash into player wages by reducing concomitant tax liabilities, thus enhancing team performance. If players demand to be paid millions of pounds in wages net, then the less tax paid means a better calibre of player can be acquired. But this can be a dangerous game of taxman jeopardy, as Arsenal found to their multimillion-pound cost in the last decade.

That said, if prior to FFP a club had not been operating entirely from within its own resources due to the supreme wealth of its benefactor, these considerations do not apply, because the imperative has always been for football success at any cost. A multibillionaire owner or sovereign-wealth fund can foot players' top-layered tax payments and shrug them off as pocket change.

Compare the two slides below, where the first, Club A - operating entirely on its own-generated resources - puts all of its player-salary payments through the FFP-scrutinised books, and the other, club B, offshores some of its player-wage payments.








Now although I have introduced this concept in a column about Manchester City's FFP compliance, it must be underlined that there is absolutely nothing to suggest that City have used the offshore mechanism above. This goes way beyond paying a few directors or even dozens of football-analytics staff through off-balance-sheet entities.

The purpose of the above images is merely to illustrate how the clubs with the richest benefactors might be tempted to use perfectly legal offshore mechanisms (provided the requisite taxes are paid) to avoid the scrutiny of UEFA's licensing body altogether. If money-no-object Club B wanted to hire Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi and Manuel Neuer all at once, it could pay them a manageable salary of, say, £10 million (€12.7m, $15.7m) a year each through the books of the FFP-scrutinised entity and then top it up with any amount through the offshore mechanism.

There really would be nothing UEFA could do about it because they could never know if this sort of thing is going on. The licensor relies on the timely and honest provision of clubs' annual reports and accounts. Clubs or their parents making payments through structures using the tax-haven secrecy of offshore entities could never be found out, because UEFA cannot look into cash movements through tax havens in the way that some tax authorities can.

So UEFA has a big decision ahead. It might be satisfied with City's new employment arrangements and allow workers to be sub-contracted out from the club's affiliate companies. But it should be aware that tolerating any off-balance-sheet activity at all is to go down a rabbit hole from which there is no return.

Matty Scott the Arsenal fan having another go at City.

No mention of how Arsenal, Utd (tax dodging with an offshore Cayman Islands account), Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea et al manipulate their accounts.

The same Matt Scott who thinks Liverpool have been given a much harder time for poor results lately than City ever have, and no one should criticise poor Brendan Rodgers.

Completely ignoring the fact that the rags are incorporated in the Cayman islands, an offshore tax haven. Ycnmiu.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

SilverFox2 said:
FanchesterCity said:
Every multinational company does this sort of thing.... they'll have subsidiaries on multiple countries and run an internal market, where one department in Germany will charge another department in England etc.

If it's cheaper to run manufacturing in Poland, then that's what they'll do, and maybe run distribution from Germany, and have marketing in London, and of course, they'll try to make it work so that the highest taxed locations report the smallest profit (if any at all). It's creative accounting, but it's legal, and it's precisely what you'd expect a highly paid legal and accountancy team to do.... save you money.

Because it's 'saving' money, it's not seen as sexy as 'making' money, even though the end result is precisely the same. It's no worse than a company creating a TV channel to make money, or opening up a Chelsea FC Hotel in China etc. That's creative marketing and products.

Opposition fans (and sometimes our own) forget that UEFA is asking every club to go and MAKE more money if they want to spend more. So that will inevitably result in clubs coming up with new ideas... from Hotels / TV Channels / Ticket Schemes / Partnerships / etc etc. And yet, the moment a club does come up with a new way to make money, it's seen as a scam, or avoidance of FFP regs.

Well, these ideas aren't necessarily scams, and they certainly ARE FFP avoidance. That's the whole idea. Arsenal are avoiding FFP - by making money in ways that UEFA approves of, in the same way, WE are avoiding FFP by making money in ways that aren't deemed 'wrong'.

But - here's the rub.... the european elite clubs have grabbed up their share of existing markets and opportunities, they'd like it to remain that way - stable with a pretty 'fixed' set of opportunities.... much like Microsoft would have liked the world to stick with Windows, or for Nokia to remain the number one phone manufacturer. They don't like some new player creating a new market and being a leader in that... because it destabilises the current market, and creates a new one where new players might flourish.

To further my analogy, the Euro Elite are the Microsoft, Yahoo and Nokia's of this world. They make (or made) loads of money from a market they pretty much defined over the years...
Then along comes a cheeky upstarts like Google (City) who claimed they could make money from 'search'!!!... (or more accurately, advertising in searches). None of the existing big boys had thought of that idea, and they didn't like it.
Then they said 'we're going to start making phones too' and the people said 'you'll never topple a giant like Nokia'. But Google (City) said - you're thinking about it ALL the wrong way, stuck in your traditional view of the world. Nobody cares about the phone much any more, it's the services ON the phone they want. In the same way, City are now becoming a fresh and exciting alternative club to support, and are trying to create a 'City' brand that encompasses football in multiple countries (which nobody has done before). And who knows, they might even have multiple sports further down the line.

UEFA and FIFA struggle to regulate innovation - because it can only pass judgment on existing ideas, not new ones. But it also knows that IF it wants to keep making more and more money, it can't close of new ideas, because they will need to use some of City's ideas themselves. And of course, that's not to say Real Madrid, or Bayern can't create new ideas too, but so far, those clubs have not had any needs to. We have.

It won't be long before we see some of the Euro Elite copying a few of City's innovations.

This is bang on the money. If you want to have a broader understanding of what the club are doing then I suggest you read Soriano's book, "Goal: The ball doesn't go in by chance"

Here is a couple of short extracts from the start of the book;

"If what you want is to be a leader and win, to keep ahead of your competitors, you have to reinterpret the existing logic and be capable of a new understanding. . . . . . . . Industries make great strides forward when someone looks at and analyses the situation in a new way and capable of offering new products and services in line with that new understanding"

"Between both extremes there are clubs who have a basic understanding of how the industry works, but they don't reinvent it. They exist in the middle of football league tables . . . . . . . . . their ability to do no more than copy the best"


Soriano talks about Spurs and United having the same revenue in the early 90's and now they are light years apart. The point he makes is that United took their brand global by thinking differently, and capitalising on that success, which in turn reinforces their position at the top.

What City are now doing is taking the word "Globalisation" and reinterpreting the existing logic and taking our club truly global. We will actually have clubs around the word rather than selling licences for duvet covers and placemats. We are in the fortunate position that we have the backing of someone who will make this happen in the best possible way.

What we will see over the next few years will be awesome. The problem we will face is by the existing "big clubs" who felt their position at the top was cemented. Fans of our rivals will call "foul play" because they cannot get their heads round the level the current City management team will take this club to. Only when the likes of Real begin to copy our new logic will they then begin to catch up.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Petrovs left peg said:
SilverFox2 said:
FanchesterCity said:
Every multinational company does this sort of thing.... they'll have subsidiaries on multiple countries and run an internal market, where one department in Germany will charge another department in England etc.

If it's cheaper to run manufacturing in Poland, then that's what they'll do, and maybe run distribution from Germany, and have marketing in London, and of course, they'll try to make it work so that the highest taxed locations report the smallest profit (if any at all). It's creative accounting, but it's legal, and it's precisely what you'd expect a highly paid legal and accountancy team to do.... save you money.

Because it's 'saving' money, it's not seen as sexy as 'making' money, even though the end result is precisely the same. It's no worse than a company creating a TV channel to make money, or opening up a Chelsea FC Hotel in China etc. That's creative marketing and products.

Opposition fans (and sometimes our own) forget that UEFA is asking every club to go and MAKE more money if they want to spend more. So that will inevitably result in clubs coming up with new ideas... from Hotels / TV Channels / Ticket Schemes / Partnerships / etc etc. And yet, the moment a club does come up with a new way to make money, it's seen as a scam, or avoidance of FFP regs.

Well, these ideas aren't necessarily scams, and they certainly ARE FFP avoidance. That's the whole idea. Arsenal are avoiding FFP - by making money in ways that UEFA approves of, in the same way, WE are avoiding FFP by making money in ways that aren't deemed 'wrong'.

But - here's the rub.... the european elite clubs have grabbed up their share of existing markets and opportunities, they'd like it to remain that way - stable with a pretty 'fixed' set of opportunities.... much like Microsoft would have liked the world to stick with Windows, or for Nokia to remain the number one phone manufacturer. They don't like some new player creating a new market and being a leader in that... because it destabilises the current market, and creates a new one where new players might flourish.

To further my analogy, the Euro Elite are the Microsoft, Yahoo and Nokia's of this world. They make (or made) loads of money from a market they pretty much defined over the years...
Then along comes a cheeky upstarts like Google (City) who claimed they could make money from 'search'!!!... (or more accurately, advertising in searches). None of the existing big boys had thought of that idea, and they didn't like it.
Then they said 'we're going to start making phones too' and the people said 'you'll never topple a giant like Nokia'. But Google (City) said - you're thinking about it ALL the wrong way, stuck in your traditional view of the world. Nobody cares about the phone much any more, it's the services ON the phone they want. In the same way, City are now becoming a fresh and exciting alternative club to support, and are trying to create a 'City' brand that encompasses football in multiple countries (which nobody has done before). And who knows, they might even have multiple sports further down the line.

UEFA and FIFA struggle to regulate innovation - because it can only pass judgment on existing ideas, not new ones. But it also knows that IF it wants to keep making more and more money, it can't close of new ideas, because they will need to use some of City's ideas themselves. And of course, that's not to say Real Madrid, or Bayern can't create new ideas too, but so far, those clubs have not had any needs to. We have.

It won't be long before we see some of the Euro Elite copying a few of City's innovations.

This is bang on the money. If you want to have a broader understanding of what the club are doing then I suggest you read Soriano's book, "Goal: The ball doesn't go in by chance"

Here is a couple of short extracts from the start of the book;

"If what you want is to be a leader and win, to keep ahead of your competitors, you have to reinterpret the existing logic and be capable of a new understanding. . . . . . . . Industries make great strides forward when someone looks at and analyses the situation in a new way and capable of offering new products and services in line with that new understanding"

"Between both extremes there are clubs who have a basic understanding of how the industry works, but they don't reinvent it. They exist in the middle of football league tables . . . . . . . . . their ability to do no more than copy the best"


Soriano talks about Spurs and United having the same revenue in the early 90's and now they are light years apart. The point he makes is that United took their brand global by thinking differently, and capitalising on that success, which in turn reinforces their position at the top.

What City are now doing is taking the word "Globalisation" and reinterpreting the existing logic and taking our club truly global. We will actually have clubs around the word rather than selling licences for duvet covers and placemats. We are in the fortunate position that we have the backing of someone who will make this happen in the best possible way.

What we will see over the next few years will be awesome. The problem we will face is by the existing "big clubs" who felt their position at the top was cemented. Fans of our rivals will call "foul play" because they cannot get their heads round the level the current City management team will take this club to. Only when the likes of Real begin to copy our new logic will they then begin to catch up.

Nice post.

In a nutshell our guys are cleverer than theirs.
 

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