City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[aguero93:20]

yes, but there is no room in the CL squad for him unless he replaces Lampard and Manuel is saying we have options to replace Negredo in January

Is that right? I thought we could register another English player without it effecting the squad. In any case my understanding is that Lampard even if his stay is extended, won't be extended beyond Toure's return from the AFCON. In which case he won't be available for the CL knock out rounds anyway.

In terms of options to replace Negredo, I see Barkley equally as that player as much as a midfield player. He can easily play the role which Jovetic/Nasri/Silva have played as a support striker.

I said when we let Negredo go, replacing him with another out and out forward like Falcao would be a mistake.

We're allowed to have 16 foreigners, 4 Association trained and 1 Club trained (or any combination of 5 with minimum 1 CT)

Joe Hart (HG)
Wilfried Caballero

Bacary Sagna
Pablo Zabaleta
Vincent Kompany
Martin Demichelis
Eliaquim Mangala
Dedryck Boyata (CT)
Gael Clichy (HG)
Aleks Kolarov

Fernando
Fernandinho
Yaya Toure
James Milner (HG)
Frank Lampard (HG)
David Silva
Samir Nasri
Jesus Navas

Edin Dzeko
Sergio Aguero
Stevan Jovetic

Thats 21 with 4 HG, 1 CT. We didn't even have room for Scott Sinclair :(

 

[BillyShears]

yes, but there is no room in the CL squad for him unless he replaces Lampard and Manuel is saying we have options to replace Negredo in January

Is that right? I thought we could register another English player without it effecting the squad. In any case my understanding is that Lampard even if his stay is extended, won't be extended beyond Toure's return from the AFCON. In which case he won't be available for the CL knock out rounds anyway.

In terms of options to replace Negredo, I see Barkley equally as that player as much as a midfield player. He can easily play the role which Jovetic/Nasri/Silva have played as a support striker.

I said when we let Negredo go, replacing him with another out and out forward like Falcao would be a mistake.

We're allowed to have 16 foreigners, 4 Association trained and 1 Club trained (or any combination of 5 with minimum 1 CT)

Joe Hart (HG)
Wilfried Caballero

Bacary Sagna
Pablo Zabaleta
Vincent Kompany
Martin Demichelis
Eliaquim Mangala
Dedryck Boyata (CT)
Gael Clichy (HG)
Aleks Kolarov

Fernando
Fernandinho
Yaya Toure
James Milner (HG)
Frank Lampard (HG)
David Silva
Samir Nasri
Jesus Navas

Edin Dzeko
Sergio Aguero
Stevan Jovetic

Thats 21 with 4 HG, 1 CT. We didn't even have room for Scott Sinclair :(

I guess everything rides on what happens with Lampard.

 

[aguero93:20]

Is that right? I thought we could register another English player without it effecting the squad. In any case my understanding is that Lampard even if his stay is extended, won't be extended beyond Toure's return from the AFCON. In which case he won't be available for the CL knock out rounds anyway.

In terms of options to replace Negredo, I see Barkley equally as that player as much as a midfield player. He can easily play the role which Jovetic/Nasri/Silva have played as a support striker.

I said when we let Negredo go, replacing him with another out and out forward like Falcao would be a mistake.

We're allowed to have 16 foreigners, 4 Association trained and 1 Club trained (or any combination of 5 with minimum 1 CT)

Joe Hart (HG)
Wilfried Caballero

Bacary Sagna
Pablo Zabaleta
Vincent Kompany
Martin Demichelis
Eliaquim Mangala
Dedryck Boyata (CT)
Gael Clichy (HG)
Aleks Kolarov

Fernando
Fernandinho
Yaya Toure
James Milner (HG)
Frank Lampard (HG)
David Silva
Samir Nasri
Jesus Navas

Edin Dzeko
Sergio Aguero
Stevan Jovetic

Thats 21 with 4 HG, 1 CT. We didn't even have room for Scott Sinclair :(

I guess everything rides on what happens with Lampard.

Scott must be on tenterhooks.

 

[tonea2003]

Is that right? I thought we could register another English player without it effecting the squad. In any case my understanding is that Lampard even if his stay is extended, won't be extended beyond Toure's return from the AFCON. In which case he won't be available for the CL knock out rounds anyway.

In terms of options to replace Negredo, I see Barkley equally as that player as much as a midfield player. He can easily play the role which Jovetic/Nasri/Silva have played as a support striker.

I said when we let Negredo go, replacing him with another out and out forward like Falcao would be a mistake.

We're allowed to have 16 foreigners, 4 Association trained and 1 Club trained (or any combination of 5 with minimum 1 CT)

Joe Hart (HG)
Wilfried Caballero

Bacary Sagna
Pablo Zabaleta
Vincent Kompany
Martin Demichelis
Eliaquim Mangala
Dedryck Boyata (CT)
Gael Clichy (HG)
Aleks Kolarov

Fernando
Fernandinho
Yaya Toure
James Milner (HG)
Frank Lampard (HG)
David Silva
Samir Nasri
Jesus Navas

Edin Dzeko
Sergio Aguero
Stevan Jovetic

Thats 21 with 4 HG, 1 CT. We didn't even have room for Scott Sinclair :(

I guess everything rides on what happens with Lampard.

hence your reasoning for barkley is sound, lampard goes when yaya comes back and barkley is a direct replacement for lampard keeping the quota within limits

 

[Centurions]

Any chance we can get this back on track? ;)

Sure ... I just posted this in the transfer forum but think it belongs in here too. As far as I'm can tell, we are under no financial constraints in terms of what we can and can't spend this January. By UEFA/City's own words the sanctions imposed upon us were as such:

The Club’s expenditure on new players for the upcoming summer transfer window, on top of income from players it might sell, will be limited to 60m euros. This will have no material impact on the Club’s planned transfer activity.

The wage bill of the whole club (playing and non-playing staff) for 2014-15 will need to remain at the same level as that of 2013-14 season. It is important to note that additional bonuses for performances can be paid outside this number. Importantly, in reality, the existing MCFC business plan sees a natural decline in that wage bill.

So effectively we can again spend what we like in terms of the fee for a player. Wages are a bit more tricky but I'd assume that the latest set of accounts had Negredo's wages in there and Nastasic's. Negredo is gone now, and if we can rid ourselves of Nasty too that's practically 150k a week we can pay someone without increasing the wage bill.

I never knew the bit about the wage bill. So even if we had attracted new sponsors worth hundreds of millions and showed a healthy profit, they still put that in place to stop us spending. Proof if any were needed that those sanctions were nothing to do with fair play or sustainability and everything to do with stopping us.

Don't forget that all the renegotiated/extended contracts from this Summer on will appear in the 2014/15 accounts. I think we've got a huge amount of wriggle room as far as wages go.

 

[aguero93:20]

Sure ... I just posted this in the transfer forum but think it belongs in here too. As far as I'm can tell, we are under no financial constraints in terms of what we can and can't spend this January. By UEFA/City's own words the sanctions imposed upon us were as such:





So effectively we can again spend what we like in terms of the fee for a player. Wages are a bit more tricky but I'd assume that the latest set of accounts had Negredo's wages in there and Nastasic's. Negredo is gone now, and if we can rid ourselves of Nasty too that's practically 150k a week we can pay someone without increasing the wage bill.

I never knew the bit about the wage bill. So even if we had attracted new sponsors worth hundreds of millions and showed a healthy profit, they still put that in place to stop us spending. Proof if any were needed that those sanctions were nothing to do with fair play or sustainability and everything to do with stopping us.

Don't forget that all the renegotiated/extended contracts from this Summer on will appear in the 2014/15 accounts. I think we've got a huge amount of wriggle room as far as wages go.

Didn't they say it couldn't be raised from 2012-13 levels? If so last years accounts give us £28m to play around with, or around £538k p/w. Plenty of wriggle room.

 

[Centurions]

I never knew the bit about the wage bill. So even if we had attracted new sponsors worth hundreds of millions and showed a healthy profit, they still put that in place to stop us spending. Proof if any were needed that those sanctions were nothing to do with fair play or sustainability and everything to do with stopping us.

Don't forget that all the renegotiated/extended contracts from this Summer on will appear in the 2014/15 accounts. I think we've got a huge amount of wriggle room as far as wages go.

Didn't they say it couldn't be raised from 2012-13 levels? If so last years accounts give us £28m to play around with, or around £538k p/w. Plenty of wriggle room.

No, pretty sure it's at the 2013-14 level which I think includes the pay off for Mancini and his back-room staff. So either way I can't see how it affects us regardless of who we bring in.

 

[kippaxblue76]

Which brings us back to FFP. I think that they'll be a decent spend next summer but nothing crazy. There's no need any more.[/quote]

No need to spend crazy but we need a couple of top level players in the Silva, Aguero, Kompany league to take us to the next level. £30/£40m on each one.

 

[aguero93:20]

Don't forget that all the renegotiated/extended contracts from this Summer on will appear in the 2014/15 accounts. I think we've got a huge amount of wriggle room as far as wages go.

Didn't they say it couldn't be raised from 2012-13 levels? If so last years accounts give us £28m to play around with, or around £538k p/w. Plenty of wriggle room.

No, pretty sure it's at the 2013-14 level which I think includes the pay off for Mancini and his back-room staff. So either way I can't see how it affects us regardless of who we bring in.

That was the accounts we released last year, the 12-13 accounts. But yeah, I thought that was the easiest sanction to deal with tbh.

 

[cleavers]

No need to spend crazy but we need a couple of top level players in the Silva, Aguero, Kompany league to take us to the next level. £30/£40m on each one.

We need more than that in my opinion, we need better backup players all round, this is meant to be a harsh assessment, and probably looks greedy, but

LB (either replaced as both are probably only backup standard)
CB (Boyata, perhaps 2 if MD goes, as he might want more game time)
CM (Yaya)
AM 2 (Nasri (assumed Lampard is gone) needs replaced or supplemented, though Pozo might do the job of 1, we can't just keep Nasri and Pozo, and expect them to cover Silva)
RW/RM (Navas can be improved on, though this wouldn't be my priority)
LW/LM (Milner if he doesn't sign)
CF (need to add a better one to fill in for Sergio when injured, and I probably would replace Dzeko, and Jovetic if possible, as neither are reliable enough, either from a fitness PoV, or from an ability/effort PoV)

I'm also not convinced by

GK, can one of the young ones step up ? Not convinced by Cabellero.
Sagna (Zab might have peaked anyway but he needs more reliable cover)

We might win the league with our current playing staff, but we're not likely to make any great assault on the CL imho (unless we get very lucky like Chelsea did), without significant changes to the playing staff.

Its only my opinion, and a deliberately harsh one, but the flaws were there only a few weeks ago, and while we have sorted them out now, they could resurface at any time.

The squad needs to evolve, because not enough top quality has been brought in in the last couple of seasons for me, lots of good players but not the very top end.