aguero93:20 said:UEFA have bigger fines handed out already under FFP than the Bendtner one, apologies, thought I'd seen them somewhere. Malaga were fined 300,000e for overdue unpaid tax and PAOK were fined 250,000 (200,000 of which was suspended), both for the most serious breaches mind (refusing to disclose financial documents for PAOK), not for marginally failing the break-even requirement with a trend towards meeting it, making it even less likely that we'll receive an oversized fine.
Couple of comments here (from competition policies international, an antitrust body) on how CAS have dealt with some cases already as well if you're interested as well as some comments on Daniel Striani's challenge and how they think it hinges on FFPR acting as a wage cap (no negotiations made with the players unions) and the block on injecting equity (which can't be said to limit debt).
http://www.blackstonechambers.com/document.rm?id=552
PSV (1st league)
2011
Municipality of Eindhoven bought land from PSV for €48.385 million and leased it back to this club.
No, but the E.C. is looking into state aid to football clubs in all countries at the moment. That one probably depends on what they're paying in the lease and whether the fee involved was fair market value i.e. if the Municipality actually stand to profit from the deal it can't be regarded as state aid but rather PSV taking the opportunity to get a fund injection and MoE seeing a good business opportunity.Nervous Nedum said:aguero93:20 said:UEFA have bigger fines handed out already under FFP than the Bendtner one, apologies, thought I'd seen them somewhere. Malaga were fined 300,000e for overdue unpaid tax and PAOK were fined 250,000 (200,000 of which was suspended), both for the most serious breaches mind (refusing to disclose financial documents for PAOK), not for marginally failing the break-even requirement with a trend towards meeting it, making it even less likely that we'll receive an oversized fine.
Couple of comments here (from competition policies international, an antitrust body) on how CAS have dealt with some cases already as well if you're interested as well as some comments on Daniel Striani's challenge and how they think it hinges on FFPR acting as a wage cap (no negotiations made with the players unions) and the block on injecting equity (which can't be said to limit debt).
http://www.blackstonechambers.com/document.rm?id=552
This is quite interesting. For some reason the press release regarding the Spanish clubs is unavailable, but the Dutch one is here:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-192_en.htm
PSV (1st league)
2011
Municipality of Eindhoven bought land from PSV for €48.385 million and leased it back to this club.
Has there been any ruling in regards to this?
tolmie's hairdoo said:aguero93:20 said:You might be giving Gollum too much credit there, he's just good at finishing sixth or seventh.remember arthur mann said:So it was all a cunning plan ?
We hold their Europa League fate in our hands as things stand.
As soon as we guarantee Champions League qualification, as Capital One Cup winners, seventh place opens up.
Thursday nights on Channel Five will never be the same again!
117 M34 said:tolmie's hairdoo said:aguero93:20 said:You might be giving Gollum too much credit there, he's just good at finishing sixth or seventh.
We hold their Europa League fate in our hands as things stand.
As soon as we guarantee Champions League qualification, as Capital One Cup winners, seventh place opens up.
Thursday nights on Channel Five will never be the same again!
our league cup win opens up 6th place.
For 7th place to go to Europa, it would need both fa cup finalists to be in Europe already. With hull getting to the cup final, the are guaranteed a Europa league place so 6th, not 7th will get Europa league
Nope, if Arsenal finish fifth, they qualify for EL through the league and Hull qualify for EL through the cup, If Arsenal finish top 4, they qualify for CL and Hull through the cup for EL, we've already done this to death on here.mancity dan said:117 M34 said:tolmie's hairdoo said:We hold their Europa League fate in our hands as things stand.
As soon as we guarantee Champions League qualification, as Capital One Cup winners, seventh place opens up.
Thursday nights on Channel Five will never be the same again!
our league cup win opens up 6th place.
For 7th place to go to Europa, it would need both fa cup finalists to be in Europe already. With hull getting to the cup final, the are guaranteed a Europa league place so 6th, not 7th will get Europa league
If arsenal finish 5th and win the FA Cup, their Europa league place goes to 7th place in the league and not the runner up in the FA Cup. If Arsenal win the FA cup and are in 4th then Hull will get Europa League spot.
aguero93:20 said:No, but the E.C. is looking into state aid to football clubs in all countries at the moment. That one probably depends on what they're paying in the lease and whether the fee involved was fair market value i.e. if the Municipality actually stand to profit from the deal it can't be regarded as state aid but rather PSV taking the opportunity to get a fund injection and MoE seeing a good business opportunity.Nervous Nedum said:aguero93:20 said:UEFA have bigger fines handed out already under FFP than the Bendtner one, apologies, thought I'd seen them somewhere. Malaga were fined 300,000e for overdue unpaid tax and PAOK were fined 250,000 (200,000 of which was suspended), both for the most serious breaches mind (refusing to disclose financial documents for PAOK), not for marginally failing the break-even requirement with a trend towards meeting it, making it even less likely that we'll receive an oversized fine.
Couple of comments here (from competition policies international, an antitrust body) on how CAS have dealt with some cases already as well if you're interested as well as some comments on Daniel Striani's challenge and how they think it hinges on FFPR acting as a wage cap (no negotiations made with the players unions) and the block on injecting equity (which can't be said to limit debt).
http://www.blackstonechambers.com/document.rm?id=552
This is quite interesting. For some reason the press release regarding the Spanish clubs is unavailable, but the Dutch one is here:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-192_en.htm
PSV (1st league)
2011
Municipality of Eindhoven bought land from PSV for €48.385 million and leased it back to this club.
Has there been any ruling in regards to this?
'There was a gap between their performance on the field and what the numbers should be.
'It all depends on the success and the effort and the popularity, the exposure on TV and revenue you can generate by merchandising.
'This all has to be brought in line between what you offer and what you get. We thought what Liverpool were asking was not... right, then we said we will not do it - that’s the end of the story.'
Read more: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2088761/Liverpool-branded-failure-Adidas.html#ixzz2z2omGCYD" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z2z2omGCYD</a>
aguero93:20 said:Nope, if Arsenal finish fifth, they qualify for EL through the league and Hull qualify for EL through the cup, If Arsenal finish top 4, they qualify for CL and Hull through the cup for EL, we've already done this to death on here.mancity dan said:117 M34 said:our league cup win opens up 6th place.
For 7th place to go to Europa, it would need both fa cup finalists to be in Europe already. With hull getting to the cup final, the are guaranteed a Europa league place so 6th, not 7th will get Europa league
If arsenal finish 5th and win the FA Cup, their Europa league place goes to 7th place in the league and not the runner up in the FA Cup. If Arsenal win the FA cup and are in 4th then Hull will get Europa League spot.
UEFA Europa League
Generally speaking there are three UEFA Europa League places given to English clubs who fulfil the following criteria: winning the FA Cup, winning the Capital One Cup and finishing fifth in the Barclays Premier League.
However, if the Capital One Cup winners finish in the top four, their UEFA Europa League place goes to the next-highest ranked team in the Barclays Premier League (nominally the sixth-placed team).
If the FA Cup winners finish in the top four, their UEFA Europa League place goes to the runners-up. However, if the FA Cup winners finish outside the top four, their UEFA Europa League place goes to the next-highest ranked team in the Barclays Premier League (nominally the seventh-placed team).
This was asked on Talksport the other night, Adrian Durham didn't know so they got clarification. The reporter and back with this!aguero93:20 said:Nope, if Arsenal finish fifth, they qualify for EL through the league and Hull qualify for EL through the cup, If Arsenal finish top 4, they qualify for CL and Hull through the cup for EL, we've already done this to death on here.mancity dan said:117 M34 said:our league cup win opens up 6th place.
For 7th place to go to Europa, it would need both fa cup finalists to be in Europe already. With hull getting to the cup final, the are guaranteed a Europa league place so 6th, not 7th will get Europa league
If arsenal finish 5th and win the FA Cup, their Europa league place goes to 7th place in the league and not the runner up in the FA Cup. If Arsenal win the FA cup and are in 4th then Hull will get Europa League spot.
?? Fair enough, come on the toffees then. Although imo Hull will tear them a new one anyway.kippaxking79 said:This was asked on Talksport the other night, Adrian Durham didn't know so they got clarification. The reporter and back with this!aguero93:20 said:Nope, if Arsenal finish fifth, they qualify for EL through the league and Hull qualify for EL through the cup, If Arsenal finish top 4, they qualify for CL and Hull through the cup for EL, we've already done this to death on here.mancity dan said:If arsenal finish 5th and win the FA Cup, their Europa league place goes to 7th place in the league and not the runner up in the FA Cup. If Arsenal win the FA cup and are in 4th then Hull will get Europa League spot.
If arsenal finish 5th and WIN the fa cup 7th place in the league opens up to a Europa league spot.
Not really no as Liverpool are still one of the most marketable teams in the world they probably sell 3x as many shirts as us worldwideNervous Nedum said:aguero93:20 said:No, but the E.C. is looking into state aid to football clubs in all countries at the moment. That one probably depends on what they're paying in the lease and whether the fee involved was fair market value i.e. if the Municipality actually stand to profit from the deal it can't be regarded as state aid but rather PSV taking the opportunity to get a fund injection and MoE seeing a good business opportunity.Nervous Nedum said:This is quite interesting. For some reason the press release regarding the Spanish clubs is unavailable, but the Dutch one is here:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-192_en.htm
Has there been any ruling in regards to this?
Does that same notion of fair market value apply to sponsorship deals? Adidas were paying a reported £13mil a year to Liverpool up until the 11/12 season , when they decided not to renew because:
'There was a gap between their performance on the field and what the numbers should be.
'It all depends on the success and the effort and the popularity, the exposure on TV and revenue you can generate by merchandising.
'This all has to be brought in line between what you offer and what you get. We thought what Liverpool were asking was not... right, then we said we will not do it - that’s the end of the story.'
Read more: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2088761/Liverpool-branded-failure-Adidas.html#ixzz2z2omGCYD" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z2z2omGCYD</a>
They finished 8th in the league that year, but then announced a £25mil a year, 6 year deal with Warrior Sports. Comparatively, United who finished second and had won the league the previous year were getting £23mil a year from Nike.
Surely that Warrior deal could be deemed above fair market value?