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Negredo's deal was an obligation to buy regardless (as far as we the fans know), so I'm guessing his fee is already counted as income.Hart of the matter said:
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City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)
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nobody can eat fifty eggs
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What if, say, the good sheik was enquiring about buying Manchester Airport, would it help our cause in any way if he bought it in regards to FFP?
Just asking like.
Okay I heard a rumour.......a very strong rumour.
Just asking like.
Okay I heard a rumour.......a very strong rumour.
johnnytapia
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Chippy_boy said:Cobwebcat said:Chippy_boy said:Agree with all of the above apart from the last paragraph, Wilf.
Sure we are big enough to more than compete (as the PL table shows!) The post was really backing up someone's view (forget who now, sorry) that we cannot just expect them to fade away into oblivion. Whereas that outcome is certainly very very very desirable, it's more likely that they will unfortunately get their shit together and be a pain in the arse for the forseeable.
What you say about owner cash injection is correct (£13m ish pa?) and also we don't have their debt burden (another £20m pa, perhaps), so it's true that on parity of turnover, we are ahead in spending power terms.
Regards the last paragraph, I don't know. There's limits to what we can do in terms of screwing more out of match going fans, and barring the extra seats, I'd say we're close to that limit. And the broadcasting revenue is what it is, broadly speaking. So further revenue growth will have to come from commercial activities, and to grow those by the amounts needed to stay ahead of the scum will take some doing. We've already sold our most valuable assets (stadium naming rights etc) and whereas we can perhaps renegotiate and improve on those deals, I don't see where any huge (can I say massive?) new contracts would come from.
That's a good post too but don't underestimate what our owners are capable of. Did you think of everything we have already done because I didn't. Our owners think differently than everyone else and I believe there is much more commercial opportunities to come. The City Group are unique remember, we have nothing to compare against.
Very true.
And the raw essential ingredients are there for us to wipe them out in the long run. Winning trophies is what builds you a world-wide fan base, and we have just started to do that. As we continue to do it, and to do well on the bigger stage of the CL, this will only grow. It will take time, but sooner or later our global fan base will match or exceed theirs. And then they are toast.
Our underlying business and business model is better than theirs and will ultimately win out. We have a better global network with City Football Group, better Academy infrastructure and better financial base (no debt and no need for profit).
Ultimately they won't be able to compete with that. The only advantage they have is that right now, they are a bigger brand, but that won't last forever.
All the talk of overtaking “them” smacks a tad too much of jealousy and desperation, when what we should be concentrating on is one thing and one thing alone: MCFC. Unitd for all their woes and trophy-free seasons have the biggest fanbase in the UK by a country mile. And it’s been that way for many a decade, not just post 1958. And when push comes to American shove, all talk of the debt one day toppling over their crumbling edifice is, again, just talk. There will always be a buyer for the biggest names in sport and their name is one of the biggest. There’d be a queue of punters ready to shell out the 1 billion plus that they’d go for.
Let’s not make the mistake that did for Peter and the board back in the day, when we thought bringing back Malc would be the catalyst for us finally overtaking “them" - we don’t ever need to worry about whether we eventually overtake them, we don’t ever need to use them as a barometer, we just need to our own thing, in our own time.
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johnnytapia said:Chippy_boy said:Cobwebcat said:That's a good post too but don't underestimate what our owners are capable of. Did you think of everything we have already done because I didn't. Our owners think differently than everyone else and I believe there is much more commercial opportunities to come. The City Group are unique remember, we have nothing to compare against.
Very true.
And the raw essential ingredients are there for us to wipe them out in the long run. Winning trophies is what builds you a world-wide fan base, and we have just started to do that. As we continue to do it, and to do well on the bigger stage of the CL, this will only grow. It will take time, but sooner or later our global fan base will match or exceed theirs. And then they are toast.
Our underlying business and business model is better than theirs and will ultimately win out. We have a better global network with City Football Group, better Academy infrastructure and better financial base (no debt and no need for profit).
Ultimately they won't be able to compete with that. The only advantage they have is that right now, they are a bigger brand, but that won't last forever.
United for all their woes and trophy-free seasons have the biggest fanbase in the UK by a country mile. And it’s been that way for many a decade, not just post 1958[./quote]
Nah , not having that at all.
nobody can eat fifty eggs said:What if, say, the good sheik was enquiring about buying Manchester Airport, would it help our cause in any way if he bought it in regards to FFP?
Just asking like.
Okay I heard a rumour.......a very strong rumour.
Was talk of that a bit ago. Sounded like a done deal about 18 months ago then not heard anything about it for a while
anyway, no, I wouldn't think we can use an airport as Club finances
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toffee balls said:johnnytapia said:Chippy_boy said:Very true.
And the raw essential ingredients are there for us to wipe them out in the long run. Winning trophies is what builds you a world-wide fan base, and we have just started to do that. As we continue to do it, and to do well on the bigger stage of the CL, this will only grow. It will take time, but sooner or later our global fan base will match or exceed theirs. And then they are toast.
Our underlying business and business model is better than theirs and will ultimately win out. We have a better global network with City Football Group, better Academy infrastructure and better financial base (no debt and no need for profit).
Ultimately they won't be able to compete with that. The only advantage they have is that right now, they are a bigger brand, but that won't last forever.
United for all their woes and trophy-free seasons have the biggest fanbase in the UK by a country mile. And it’s been that way for many a decade, not just post 1958[./quote]
Nah , not having that at all.
There may have been the odd season when Liverpool / Arsenal may have been top of attendances, but I’d wager Unitd would be top pretty much every season 1945 to present and possibly before. They can call on a fan base, nationally and internationally, that’s as big as any in the world. We can all agree they’re cunts. But there’s always been a lot of them.
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Maybe we could call it Manchester City airport :)117 M34 said:nobody can eat fifty eggs said:What if, say, the good sheik was enquiring about buying Manchester Airport, would it help our cause in any way if he bought it in regards to FFP?
Just asking like.
Okay I heard a rumour.......a very strong rumour.
Was talk of that a bit ago. Sounded like a done deal about 18 months ago then not heard anything about it for a while
anyway, no, I wouldn't think we can use an airport as Club finances
johnnytapia said:toffee balls said:
United for all their woes and trophy-free seasons have the biggest fanbase in the UK by a country mile. And it’s been that way for many a decade, not just post 1958[./quote]
Nah , not having that at all.
There may have been the odd season when Liverpool / Arsenal may have been top of attendances, but I’d wager Unitd would be top pretty much every season 1945 to present and possibly before. They can call on a fan base, nationally and internationally, that’s as big as any in the world. We can all agree they’re c**ts. But there’s always been a lot of them.
Pre-war City had the most consistent attendances of today’s six best supported sides with the Blues being one of the six best supported clubs on 30 occasions, followed by Newcastle and Chelsea managing 28 top six appearances. Liverpool had 22, Arsenal 17, and United had 10 top six attendance appearances during 43 seasons.
Would be nice to see them back to the 1930's levels
As early as 1895-96 the Blues were the third best-supported side, behind Everton and Aston Villa. From 1898 to World War 2 City were always one of the eight best-supported clubs. As a comparison United were outside the top eight on 20 occasions during the same period, with their lowest position being 34th (1931). That same season United’s lowest home crowd (3,679) was the lowest in the top flight.
cleavers
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Yes, but the trains north weren't so reliable then, and it was very hard for locals to get tickets.jonmcity said:That same season United’s lowest home crowd (3,679) was the lowest in the top flight.