City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[FanchesterCity]

Bonuses are absolutely definitely exempt from FFP.

No they aren't. They're part of the overall remuneration package so, in the normal course of events, would be included in an FFP assessment.

However we seem to have got some sort of agreement that, for the purpose of the salary cap sanction, any performance related bonuses won't be included. I assume that only relates to things like bonuses paysble to the whole team for winning the league or cups, rather than things like bonuses to individual players for goals scored or appearances.

Why were numerous people suggesting the reason we were structuring our wages to be have lower basics but with higher success bonus payments as a way to loosen the shackles of FFP? Were they just misunderstanding the rules or has something changed?

I think some of it comes from the press and other fans who always assume every move we make is some FFP 'fiddle'. When we announced our wage to turn over percentage dropped, people quickly assumed that was some fiddle too, when all it was keeping the wage bill similar (or lower), and our revenues increased, ergo the percentage dropped.

It just makes more sense in general to stop paying players a fortune if they aren't performing. If you believe in City, and think you can win stuff, then you'll very well rewarded with bonuses, but you're not getting a mega pay packet for nothing. It's a very good way of finding out which players are really 'in' and which aren't. That said, this season's not been a good advert for that!

 

[emiratblu]

Conspiracy theory
Club tells players to lose games so bonuses are not triggered
Not to worry lift sanctions next season and double bonuses paid.............

 

[spacecadet]

Thanks R30,

Interesting stuff.

 

[Damanino]

Marcotti had an article recently and he was adamant we still have the 60m€ net spend limit.

He is no FFP expert of course but I am not 100% sure myself. Even the club said we are confident we gonna go about summer without restrictions. But we were confident avoiding FFP punishment a year ago and we got slapped...

 

[richards30]

Marcotti had an article recently and he was adamant we still have the 60m€ net spend limit.

He is no FFP expert of course but I am not 100% sure myself. Even the club said we are confident we gonna go about summer without restrictions. But we were confident avoiding FFP punishment a year ago and we got slapped...

Marcotti???? You would have more truth from the sun mate!! ;-)

 

[Manchester_lalala]

but you are adamant we wont spend big and argue that until the cows come home?!!! Are you sure you are actually a blue??

Show me where I've said we won't spend big?
Are you even reading?

I said I don't think we'll spend as big as fbloke estimates.

Would you say United spent big this summer? I would..... and my prediction is we'll be about the same. So that'll be erm... spending big right?
Am I sure I'm actually a blue? bloody hell. erm no.... I'm not sure at all. All this debate about who and what we might spend in the summer is making me doubt if I support City. Obviously, I need to say we'll spend 500m and I'll be a better City fan!

Honestly, I don't mind debating with people that can put forward their point of view, but I'm not going to get into stupid personal arguments. Argue the topic, not the person.

Not a fan of doing this as it gets the usual shite responses but fuck it why not.......had a very good chat with brian marwood a few weeks ago regarding all things city. Despite him getting the shite for the transfer window after the first season i can promise everyone brian is absolutely besotted by city and the plans ahead. He didn't say numbers but just said it was going to be a huge summer for us this coming one and we were going to re-jig the squad big time. I asked about restrictions etc and was told in no uncertain terms if the clubs opinion we were good to go and would be making big changes. We will be announcing some big new sponsorship deals at the end of the season as well and he reckons the whole city football group is going to be huge! Fabulous fella and despite the city fans view of him is very highly respected and has a real buzz for what city are doing. Very rarely post these things but people like you just shoot down others who actually do know stuff. Hopefully Prestwich_Blue will remember some Pm's we exchanged when city were punished for the FFP fine etc and despite most city fans kicking off we never fought it there was actually board meetings where it was agreed that we would challenge it right up until the end! I think a deal for a year was done and that was the pinch that khaldhoon mentioned. As Prestwich_Blue will also confirm it was talked about at the highest level about forming a breakaway European competition where the prize money would dwarf the current champions league monies! We are not run by idiots and imo for FFP in uefa eyes to work they couldn't have the first team fined challenge it so a deal was done where we only got in essence a year restrictions.

Didn't expect this post of you. I imagined you to be an 16 year old lad who has just left school. The judgement is based on all your mental football manager like squads in the trabsfer forum.


Cheers for the info, hopefully you're right. It will be funny as if we spend 150 million in the summer, the whole country thinks we're crippled by ffp indefinitely.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Marcotti had an article recently and he was adamant we still have the 60m€ net spend limit.

He is no FFP expert of course but I am not 100% sure myself. Even the club said we are confident we gonna go about summer without restrictions. But we were confident avoiding FFP punishment a year ago and we got slapped...

That's always been the little niggle I have.... not trusting UEFA, and the fact they shafted us last time.
However, I think City won't be bitten twice. They played fair the first time around and UEFA pulled a stunt. I think all hell would break out if they attempted it again.

Technically Marcotti is right, we do have the spend limit, but it will be lifted. As it stands, in theory, that limit still applies to us until we get it formally lifted, but City are confident we'll we past the break even point, and thus the issue goes away.

Thinking about it, we can't be far off getting some sort of announcement. We're supposed to be checked at least every six months during our 'naughty boys' period, so we can't be far off UEFA having to come out and say we've passed.

 

[richards30]

Show me where I've said we won't spend big?
Are you even reading?

I said I don't think we'll spend as big as fbloke estimates.

Would you say United spent big this summer? I would..... and my prediction is we'll be about the same. So that'll be erm... spending big right?
Am I sure I'm actually a blue? bloody hell. erm no.... I'm not sure at all. All this debate about who and what we might spend in the summer is making me doubt if I support City. Obviously, I need to say we'll spend 500m and I'll be a better City fan!

Honestly, I don't mind debating with people that can put forward their point of view, but I'm not going to get into stupid personal arguments. Argue the topic, not the person.

Not a fan of doing this as it gets the usual shite responses but fuck it why not.......had a very good chat with brian marwood a few weeks ago regarding all things city. Despite him getting the shite for the transfer window after the first season i can promise everyone brian is absolutely besotted by city and the plans ahead. He didn't say numbers but just said it was going to be a huge summer for us this coming one and we were going to re-jig the squad big time. I asked about restrictions etc and was told in no uncertain terms if the clubs opinion we were good to go and would be making big changes. We will be announcing some big new sponsorship deals at the end of the season as well and he reckons the whole city football group is going to be huge! Fabulous fella and despite the city fans view of him is very highly respected and has a real buzz for what city are doing. Very rarely post these things but people like you just shoot down others who actually do know stuff. Hopefully Prestwich_Blue will remember some Pm's we exchanged when city were punished for the FFP fine etc and despite most city fans kicking off we never fought it there was actually board meetings where it was agreed that we would challenge it right up until the end! I think a deal for a year was done and that was the pinch that khaldhoon mentioned. As Prestwich_Blue will also confirm it was talked about at the highest level about forming a breakaway European competition where the prize money would dwarf the current champions league monies! We are not run by idiots and imo for FFP in uefa eyes to work they couldn't have the first team fined challenge it so a deal was done where we only got in essence a year restrictions.

Didn't expect this post of you. I imagined you to be an 16 year old lad who has just left school. The judgement is based on all your mental football manager like squads in the trabsfer forum.


Cheers for the info, hopefully you're right. It will be funny as if we spend 150 million in the summer, the whole country thinks we're crippled by ffp indefinitely.

Haha will take that is a compliment our kid! ;-) brian certainly seemed confident we were free from restrictions and seemed excited about the future mate. :-)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Bonuses are absolutely definitely exempt from FFP.

No they aren't. They're part of the overall remuneration package so, in the normal course of events, would be included in an FFP assessment.

However we seem to have got some sort of agreement that, for the purpose of the salary cap sanction, any performance related bonuses won't be included. I assume that only relates to things like bonuses paysble to the whole team for winning the league or cups, rather than things like bonuses to individual players for goals scored or appearances.

Why were numerous people suggesting the reason we were structuring our wages to be have lower basics but with higher success bonus payments as a way to loosen the shackles of FFP? Were they just misunderstanding the rules or has something changed?

I think people are misunderstanding. The shift to lower basic and higher bonus elements was part of the overall business strategy anyway, regardless of FFP. That's the structure Soriano introduced at Barcelona so the better each individual and the team as a whole did, the more they were paid. The theory is, I guess, that it should motivate performance but, in seasons like this one where it clearly hasn't, at least keep costs a bit lower by establisging some sort of linkage between revenue (some of which will be dependent on performance in the various competitions) and wage costs.

The agreement with UEFA was completely different and I'd hazard a guess that the club were worried that if we won everything that our bonuses could take us over the wage cap. In hindsight, we needn't have worried!

 

[EricBrooksGhost]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Bonuses are absolutely definitely exempt from FFP.

No they aren't. They're part of the overall remuneration package so, in the normal course of events, would be included in an FFP assessment.

However we seem to have got some sort of agreement that, for the purpose of the salary cap sanction, any performance related bonuses won't be included. I assume that only relates to things like bonuses paysble to the whole team for winning the league or cups, rather than things like bonuses to individual players for goals scored or appearances.

Why were numerous people suggesting the reason we were structuring our wages to be have lower basics but with higher success bonus payments as a way to loosen the shackles of FFP? Were they just misunderstanding the rules or has something changed?

We hedge bonuses; that offsets the bottom line. So that's why we renegotiate the contracts