City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Chippy_boy said:
JoeMercer'sWay said:
dasblues said:
Where does it state this, I must have missed it?

I posted it all out and then the forum fucked up for some reason. I'd clarified all that, but then I found this:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.uefa.com/community/news/newsid=2064391.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uefa.com/community/news/newsid=2064391.html</a>

17) How are clubs that have contravened financial fair play being incentivised to become break-even compliant?

Settlements require the clubs to become compliant with financial fair play within a short period of time. Failure to meet settlement terms will lead to the club being automatically referred to the adjudicatory chamber.

Conversely if a club fulfils each individual requirement of the settlement, it may be released from the limitation on the number of players for UEFA competitions for the following season. If a club becomes break-even compliant during the course of the settlement, all sanctions shall cease to apply for the following season, with the exception of the non-conditional element of the financial measure.

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So that's why I think City believe they are free to spend.

That's a REALLY good find mate. We've had months of arguing and speculation, running to hundreds of pages, as to why the club say they are free to spend this coming year, yet the UEFA settlement agreement said we are not.

And above, we finally have the answer. Thank you!

Does it say when the following season is?
Is it at the end of the current season, the start of the club's domestic league, the start of the first group stage game of CL or EL, or, after the transfer window that runs a few weeks into a season closes?
There's still wiggle room for UEFA
 
dickie davies said:
Chippy_boy said:
JoeMercer'sWay said:
I posted it all out and then the forum fucked up for some reason. I'd clarified all that, but then I found this:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.uefa.com/community/news/newsid=2064391.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uefa.com/community/news/newsid=2064391.html</a>

17) How are clubs that have contravened financial fair play being incentivised to become break-even compliant?

Settlements require the clubs to become compliant with financial fair play within a short period of time. Failure to meet settlement terms will lead to the club being automatically referred to the adjudicatory chamber.

Conversely if a club fulfils each individual requirement of the settlement, it may be released from the limitation on the number of players for UEFA competitions for the following season. If a club becomes break-even compliant during the course of the settlement, all sanctions shall cease to apply for the following season, with the exception of the non-conditional element of the financial measure.

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...

So that's why I think City believe they are free to spend.

That's a REALLY good find mate. We've had months of arguing and speculation, running to hundreds of pages, as to why the club say they are free to spend this coming year, yet the UEFA settlement agreement said we are not.

And above, we finally have the answer. Thank you!

Does it say when the following season is?
Is it at the end of the current season, the start of the club's domestic league, the start of the first group stage game of CL or EL, or, after the transfer window that runs a few weeks into a season closes?
There's still wiggle room for UEFA

Well, thinking of it logically. The squad restriction would coincide with our submission for our entrance into the CL, which would be after the competition has started so within the 2015/16 Champions League.

Our transfer spend limit is based upon our activities in the transfer market in 2014/15 and 2015/16, so that is defined as our spending within transfer windows. As we have complied with break-even requirements (we think) within the 2014/15 season, the limits will be lifted for the 2015/16 season, which relates to the transfer windows of the 2015/16 season. As we were constrained for the summer window last summer, the simple conclusion would be that the transfer limit has been lifted for the summer and winter windows of the 2015/16 season. Not that UEFA would be able to properly analyse the figures until we release our accounts for that campaign.

Of course it's assumptions, but based on the fact UEFA's tournaments start in June, they'd have difficulty arguing in court that this summer window does not relate to the 2015/16 season.
 
Marcotti (read the full article because it's not all positive - edit: and by that I mean he suggests we won't be able to spend close to what we once did, yet we hear of £220m gross spend/£150m net?):

UEFA have confirmed that Manchester City will not be subject to a net spend restriction this summer, provided they meet the terms of the settlement agreement the club signed last year after being found in breach of Financial Fair Play Regulations.

That means that, if the club meets the limits set by the agreement -- maximum FFP break-even losses of €20 million ($22.5 million) for the financial year ending in 2014 -- they will not be subjected to a net spend maximum like they faced last year, giving them more freedom to rebuild.

Last May, UEFA released a statement listing City's obligations under the terms of the settlement, which included the fact that €60 million ($67.5 million) in prize money would be withheld (with two-thirds of it returned if certain targets were reached), that "employee benefit expenses" could not increase and that squad size would be restricted.

Some of those sanctions were conditional and some were fixed. The spending restriction appeared to be fixed: "Manchester City agrees to significantly limit spending in the transfer market for 2014-15 and 2015-16."

Yet City insisted that meeting the settlement terms means they'll be free from this restriction and, this week, UEFA confirmed to ESPN FC that this is indeed the case.

In December, City released their accounts, which showed a loss of £23 million ($35.4 million). However, £16 million ($24.6 million) was the withheld prize money which, like spending on youth development and infrastructure, isn't counted toward the FFP break-even requirement. According to reports, City believe that, in FFP terms, they actually made a profit £8 million ($12.3 million).

So does this mean City are in the clear and that owner Sheikh Mansour can take out his big checkbook like crosstown rival Manchester United did last summer? Not necessarily.

First, UEFA need to confirm that their FFP calculation matches that of the club. Given the discrepancy between the allowed loss ($22.5 million) and City's calculation, the club should be in the clear.

Then again, if those numbers are disputed, it wouldn't be the first time UEFA's financial experts have disagreed with their colleagues at City. There's also the possibility that City will fall foul of other settlement requirements, in particular the FFP losses limit of €10m ($11.2m) for 2014-15.

Given the FFP profit City claimed last year ($12.3m) and the fact that they would receive $22.5 million of the withheld prize money for meeting the requirements of the first season of the settlement regime, there's reason to believe there will be more funds available, but it's by no means a guarantee and it likely won't be close to pre-FFP levels.

Then there's the future. Once City exit the settlement regime they will be subject to the same restrictions as everyone else, but the maximum allowable losses will continue to fall. That means there will be less wiggle room, which in turn will require them to get their revenue projections and budgeting right.

Still, those are worst-case scenarios. The fact of the matter is that City are on the path to sustainability and they'll be helped along when the new Premier League TV deal -- a 70 percent uplift compared to the previous one -- kicks in.

The days of massive spending relative to revenue are over but City will still be able to throw much more money around this summer. The spending might not be on the same scale as in years past, but it will be almost certainly more than last season and enough -- if they get it right -- to significantly strengthen the squad, whether for the benefit of Manuel Pellegrini or another manager.
 
LoveCity said:
Marcotti (read the full article because it's not all positive - edit: and by that I mean he suggests we won't be able to spend close to what we once did, yet we hear of £220m gross spend/£150m net?):

UEFA have confirmed that Manchester City will not be subject to a net spend restriction this summer, provided they meet the terms of the settlement agreement the club signed last year after being found in breach of Financial Fair Play Regulations.

That means that, if the club meets the limits set by the agreement -- maximum FFP break-even losses of €20 million ($22.5 million) for the financial year ending in 2014 -- they will not be subjected to a net spend maximum like they faced last year, giving them more freedom to rebuild.

Last May, UEFA released a statement...

Still, those are worst-case scenarios. The fact of the matter is that City are on the path to sustainability and they'll be helped along when the new Premier League TV deal -- a 70 percent uplift compared to the previous one -- kicks in.

The days of massive spending relative to revenue are over but City will still be able to throw much more money around this summer. The spending might not be on the same scale as in years past, but it will be almost certainly more than last season and enough -- if they get it right -- to significantly strengthen the squad, whether for the benefit of Manuel Pellegrini or another manager.
Nothing unexpected in there really, the revenue of course is much greater than when we got hit with the fine so like everybody we do have a limit but it's a bloody big limit.
 
LoveCity said:
Marcotti (read the full article because it's not all positive - edit: and by that I mean he suggests we won't be able to spend close to what we once did, yet we hear of £220m gross spend/£150m net?):

UEFA have confirmed that Manchester City will not be subject to a net spend restriction this summer, provided they meet the terms of the settlement agreement the club signed last year after being found in breach of Financial Fair Play Regulations.

That means that, if the club meets the limits set by the agreement -- maximum FFP break-even losses of €20 million ($22.5 million) for the financial year ending in 2014 -- they will not be subjected to a net spend maximum like they faced last year, giving them more freedom to rebuild.

Last May, UEFA released a statement listing City's obligations under the terms of the settlement, which included the fact that €60 million ($67.5 million) in prize money would be withheld (with two-thirds of it returned if certain targets were reached), that "employee benefit expenses" could not increase and that squad size would be restricted.

Some of those sanctions were conditional and some were fixed. The spending restriction appeared to be fixed: "Manchester City agrees to significantly limit spending in the transfer market for 2014-15 and 2015-16."

Yet City insisted that meeting the settlement terms means they'll be free from this restriction and, this week, UEFA confirmed to ESPN FC that this is indeed the case.

In December, City released their accounts, which showed a loss of £23 million ($35.4 million). However, £16 million ($24.6 million) was the withheld prize money which, like spending on youth development and infrastructure, isn't counted toward the FFP break-even requirement. According to reports, City believe that, in FFP terms, they actually made a profit £8 million ($12.3 million).

So does this mean City are in the clear and that owner Sheikh Mansour can take out his big checkbook like crosstown rival Manchester United did last summer? Not necessarily.

First, UEFA need to confirm that their FFP calculation matches that of the club. Given the discrepancy between the allowed loss ($22.5 million) and City's calculation, the club should be in the clear.

Then again, if those numbers are disputed, it wouldn't be the first time UEFA's financial experts have disagreed with their colleagues at City. There's also the possibility that City will fall foul of other settlement requirements, in particular the FFP losses limit of €10m ($11.2m) for 2014-15.

Given the FFP profit City claimed last year ($12.3m) and the fact that they would receive $22.5 million of the withheld prize money for meeting the requirements of the first season of the settlement regime, there's reason to believe there will be more funds available, but it's by no means a guarantee and it likely won't be close to pre-FFP levels.

Then there's the future. Once City exit the settlement regime they will be subject to the same restrictions as everyone else, but the maximum allowable losses will continue to fall. That means there will be less wiggle room, which in turn will require them to get their revenue projections and budgeting right.

Still, those are worst-case scenarios. The fact of the matter is that City are on the path to sustainability and they'll be helped along when the new Premier League TV deal -- a 70 percent uplift compared to the previous one -- kicks in.

The days of massive spending relative to revenue are over but City will still be able to throw much more money around this summer. The spending might not be on the same scale as in years past, but it will be almost certainly more than last season and enough -- if they get it right -- to significantly strengthen the squad, whether for the benefit of Manuel Pellegrini or another manager.

It's a very hypothetical post, and our summer spending is basically down to how much we increase our revenues by over the course of the next year, as our accounts this year aren't judged till next year, so basically from the accounts we saw in December, you can add 2 seasons worth of revenue growth in before we discuss transfer spend for this summer.

I think we will have a big gross this summer, I think we will cover it with plenty of sales, and also through increases in sponsorship deals, which I doubt will be announced before the closing of our accounts for this season, so that the revenue increases go into next season's accounts, to cover our spend.
 
LoveCity said:
Some of those sanctions were conditional and some were fixed. The spending restriction appeared to be fixed: Manchester City agrees to significantly limit spending in the transfer market for 2014-15 and 2015-16. Yet City insisted that meeting the settlement terms means they'll be free from this restriction and, this week, UEFA confirmed to ESPN FC that this is indeed the case.

Nope, powerwanking starting.
 
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FFP is neccesary to the sport or else we would see Tom Clevery go for 100Million and Sterling would go for 300Million. The market would be destroyed
 
hamad138 said:
FFP is neccesary to the sport or else we would see Tom Clevery go for 100Million and Sterling would go for 300Million. The market would be destroyed

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