City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[aguero93:20]

edit for you, I think there's going to be a lot of moaning coming from the press this summer... Baaaawaaa

They have absolutely started already and already it is worse than ever.

LOL

Who has and what has??

The press and the Sky 4 moaning.

 

[FanchesterCity]

It mus be obvious to all that the claims that these regulations had anything at all to do with level playing fields, financial stability or sporting integrity are nothing more than claptrap to give a veneer of respectability to what was a crude ploy to make it impossible for one, then two, Arab owned clubs to compete with those clubs which Platini felt had been essential to the success of the CL, and which depended on CL revenues. City and PSG were fined so much simply because everyone knows they can afford it. Just like the fine facing QPR, it was a greedy, grasping bargain agreed by competitors to further their own unlawful interests. What the courts will see clearly is that shareholders are to be told how they must spend their money and how they must not, while American corporations without any other interest in the game are to be allowed to bankroll clubs for as long as it serves their interests. The machinery set up by UEFA to enforce these regulations has just shown that it won't enforce them consistently or even handedly, but this is irrelevant. There are four, five, six legal challenges currently before the courts? UEFA's regulations must surely be laughed out of court.

We all know why the rules were made and who the target was. It will leave a sour taste in the mouth if after taking our punishment and being labelled as cheats, these rules are suddenly relaxed or scrapped altogether.
The damage has already been done, and our reputation has taken a battering.
In terms of challenging for the title or bringing in the best players, then it was just a "pinch" However, in the wider scheme of things our reputation has taken a real mauling. We got caught financially doping our club(whatever that means). We know its nonsense, but our rivals and the media will always have that stick to beat us with. Which is why we should not have accepted FFP and should have fought it through every legal channel we could.

If this is the outcome, we will be a very happy bunch of campers as the "old guard", will be obliterated.

That's a tricky one really.
If it's scrapped altogether, then yes, it's then just a matter of whoever has the deepest pockets can spend the most.... which could well end up on a crazy spending war between PSG, City and Chelsea, plus others who might join the party.

If FFP is kept in place, we can actually benefit from it in a different way. It makes it very difficult for any new teams to join the party (nigh on impossible), and establishes us in the new elite, albeit on a loose par with another 4-8 clubs.

Whichever way it goes shouldn't be too much of a worry for us from now on, providing we start to turn a decent profit. If we can't, then the whole 'growth' thing was a myth anyway, and we really are just a sugar daddy club. Before anybody starts moaning at that statement, it's just stating the truth IF we can't manage to move the business into a genuinely profitable one, and it would be silly to pretend otherwise.

Personally, I don't think the Sheik would want to be seen as 'buying success' (in the long run). I think it was inevitable we'd be accused of that in the early days, but the whole image of Abu Dhabi's business acumen rests on us demonstrating genuine growth and self sustainability.

 

[SilverFox2]

We all know why the rules were made and who the target was. It will leave a sour taste in the mouth if after taking our punishment and being labelled as cheats, these rules are suddenly relaxed or scrapped altogether.
The damage has already been done, and our reputation has taken a battering.
In terms of challenging for the title or bringing in the best players, then it was just a "pinch" However, in the wider scheme of things our reputation has taken a real mauling. We got caught financially doping our club(whatever that means). We know its nonsense, but our rivals and the media will always have that stick to beat us with. Which is why we should not have accepted FFP and should have fought it through every legal channel we could.

If this is the outcome, we will be a very happy bunch of campers as the "old guard", will be obliterated.

Unless of course you believe Khaldoon when he says the club is aiming to be self-sustaining. That means we will be able to compete with everyone, not blow them out of the water with stupid transfer fees and ridiculous wages.

Agree totally Stony, ADUG is our owners investment vehicle which means it is there to maximise profit for the Sheik M..

We will still have to compete for players who are able to maintain our CL and PL profile but I think this will be controlled spending rather than spending for spendings sake.

 

[tonea2003]

If this is the outcome, we will be a very happy bunch of campers as the "old guard", will be obliterated.

Unless of course you believe Khaldoon when he says the club is aiming to be self-sustaining. That means we will be able to compete with everyone, not blow them out of the water with stupid transfer fees and ridiculous wages.

Agree totally Stony, ADUG is our owners investment vehicle which means it is there to maximise profit for the Sheik M..

We will still have to compete for players who are able to maintain our CL and PL profile but I think this will be controlled spending rather than spending for spendings sake.

that would be the theory, but like anything else if an opportunity would present itself, i would like to think the club would be able to think outside of the box

 

[ancoats]

I see barca are up in court again with the fee paid for Neymar why is this not been put to uefa FFP board aswell if they are found guilty again then UEFA must take action and ban them for 5 years

UEFA STINK I WOULD WALK AWAY FROM CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL


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A Spanish judge has ordered Barcelona Football Club to stand trial over claims it tried to mislead tax authorities.

The club bought the Brazilian player Neymar in 2013 for what they said was €57m euros ($41m; $65m).

But a judge in Madrid said he believes the club knew the fee was far higher - and so more tax should have been paid.

The club's current and former presidents have 10 days to respond to the court.

Barcelona and its former president, Sandro Rosell, have previously denied wrongdoing.


The current president, Josep Maria Bartomeu, previously said that the findings were "open to interpretation" and that he would challenge them.

The club said it paid €57m for Neymar, 23, with his parents receiving €45m of the fee.

But investigators allege that the fee for Neymar's transfer from Brazilian team Santos was closer to €83m.

As a result, Barcelona has not paid about €13m in tax, say prosecutors.

The Spanish news agency, Efe, said the club could face a fine of more than €22m if found guilty.

All parties have 10 days to file papers in their defence before the court. No trial date has yet been fixed.

Barcelona need only one more victory to win the Spanish league, and reached the Champions League final after beating Bayern Munich 5-3 on aggregate on Tuesday.

 

[oakiecokie]

I see barca are up in court again with the fee paid for Neymar why is this not been put to uefa FFP board aswell if they are found guilty again then UEFA must take action and ban them for 5 years

UEFA STINK I WOULD WALK AWAY FROM CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL


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A Spanish judge has ordered Barcelona Football Club to stand trial over claims it tried to mislead tax authorities.

The club bought the Brazilian player Neymar in 2013 for what they said was €57m euros ($41m; $65m).

But a judge in Madrid said he believes the club knew the fee was far higher - and so more tax should have been paid.

The club's current and former presidents have 10 days to respond to the court.

Barcelona and its former president, Sandro Rosell, have previously denied wrongdoing.


The current president, Josep Maria Bartomeu, previously said that the findings were "open to interpretation" and that he would challenge them.

The club said it paid €57m for Neymar, 23, with his parents receiving €45m of the fee.

But investigators allege that the fee for Neymar's transfer from Brazilian team Santos was closer to €83m.

As a result, Barcelona has not paid about €13m in tax, say prosecutors.

The Spanish news agency, Efe, said the club could face a fine of more than €22m if found guilty.

All parties have 10 days to file papers in their defence before the court. No trial date has yet been fixed.

Barcelona need only one more victory to win the Spanish league, and reached the Champions League final after beating Bayern Munich 5-3 on aggregate on Tuesday.

I don`t think UEFA can at the moment do anything,until the charges are proved and they are found guilty.If that is the case,then UEFA surely would have dish out some hard punishment.I wait with baited breath !!

 

[ancoats]

I see barca are up in court again with the fee paid for Neymar why is this not been put to uefa FFP board aswell if they are found guilty again then UEFA must take action and ban them for 5 years

UEFA STINK I WOULD WALK AWAY FROM CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL


<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32725882" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32725882</a>

A Spanish judge has ordered Barcelona Football Club to stand trial over claims it tried to mislead tax authorities.

The club bought the Brazilian player Neymar in 2013 for what they said was €57m euros ($41m; $65m).

But a judge in Madrid said he believes the club knew the fee was far higher - and so more tax should have been paid.

The club's current and former presidents have 10 days to respond to the court.

Barcelona and its former president, Sandro Rosell, have previously denied wrongdoing.


The current president, Josep Maria Bartomeu, previously said that the findings were "open to interpretation" and that he would challenge them.

The club said it paid €57m for Neymar, 23, with his parents receiving €45m of the fee.

But investigators allege that the fee for Neymar's transfer from Brazilian team Santos was closer to €83m.

As a result, Barcelona has not paid about €13m in tax, say prosecutors.

The Spanish news agency, Efe, said the club could face a fine of more than €22m if found guilty.

All parties have 10 days to file papers in their defence before the court. No trial date has yet been fixed.

Barcelona need only one more victory to win the Spanish league, and reached the Champions League final after beating Bayern Munich 5-3 on aggregate on Tuesday.

I don`t think UEFA can at the moment do anything,until the charges are proved and they are found guilty.If that is the case,then UEFA surely would have dish out some hard punishment.I wait with baited breath !!

but we all know nothing will happen to barca if found guilty UEFA can fuck off

 

[moh]

I see barca are up in court again with the fee paid for Neymar why is this not been put to uefa FFP board aswell if they are found guilty again then UEFA must take action and ban them for 5 years

UEFA STINK I WOULD WALK AWAY FROM CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL


<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32725882" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32725882</a>

A Spanish judge has ordered Barcelona Football Club to stand trial over claims it tried to mislead tax authorities.

The club bought the Brazilian player Neymar in 2013 for what they said was €57m euros ($41m; $65m).

But a judge in Madrid said he believes the club knew the fee was far higher - and so more tax should have been paid.

The club's current and former presidents have 10 days to respond to the court.

Barcelona and its former president, Sandro Rosell, have previously denied wrongdoing.


The current president, Josep Maria Bartomeu, previously said that the findings were "open to interpretation" and that he would challenge them.

The club said it paid €57m for Neymar, 23, with his parents receiving €45m of the fee.

But investigators allege that the fee for Neymar's transfer from Brazilian team Santos was closer to €83m.

As a result, Barcelona has not paid about €13m in tax, say prosecutors.

The Spanish news agency, Efe, said the club could face a fine of more than €22m if found guilty.

All parties have 10 days to file papers in their defence before the court. No trial date has yet been fixed.

Barcelona need only one more victory to win the Spanish league, and reached the Champions League final after beating Bayern Munich 5-3 on aggregate on Tuesday.

I don`t think UEFA can at the moment do anything,until the charges are proved and they are found guilty.If that is the case,then UEFA surely would have dish out some hard punishment.I wait with baited breath !!

But why would they get involved. Surely this matter is between the club and the government tax authorities

Unless they used those figures in accounts submitted to UEFA to prove compliance with anything then it is outside of their responsibility surely

 

[aguero93:20]

I see barca are up in court again with the fee paid for Neymar why is this not been put to uefa FFP board aswell if they are found guilty again then UEFA must take action and ban them for 5 years

UEFA STINK I WOULD WALK AWAY FROM CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL


<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32725882" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32725882</a>

A Spanish judge has ordered Barcelona Football Club to stand trial over claims it tried to mislead tax authorities.

The club bought the Brazilian player Neymar in 2013 for what they said was €57m euros ($41m; $65m).

But a judge in Madrid said he believes the club knew the fee was far higher - and so more tax should have been paid.

The club's current and former presidents have 10 days to respond to the court.

Barcelona and its former president, Sandro Rosell, have previously denied wrongdoing.


The current president, Josep Maria Bartomeu, previously said that the findings were "open to interpretation" and that he would challenge them.

The club said it paid €57m for Neymar, 23, with his parents receiving €45m of the fee.

But investigators allege that the fee for Neymar's transfer from Brazilian team Santos was closer to €83m.

As a result, Barcelona has not paid about €13m in tax, say prosecutors.

The Spanish news agency, Efe, said the club could face a fine of more than €22m if found guilty.

All parties have 10 days to file papers in their defence before the court. No trial date has yet been fixed.

Barcelona need only one more victory to win the Spanish league, and reached the Champions League final after beating Bayern Munich 5-3 on aggregate on Tuesday.

I don`t think UEFA can at the moment do anything,until the charges are proved and they are found guilty.If that is the case,then UEFA surely would have dish out some hard punishment.I wait with baited breath !!

But why would they get involved. Surely this matter is between the club and the government tax authorities

Unless they used those figures in accounts submitted to UEFA to prove compliance with anything then it is outside of their responsibility surely

That's exactly what they would have done, if they falsified their records to show a lower transfer fee for Neymar they would have exaggerated their profit or lowered their loss for FFP purposes. However looking at the timeline of this breaking I think it's quite possible that they were pulled up on it, admitted to it and changed the accounts before submitting their FFP return to UEFA.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I see barca are up in court again with the fee paid for Neymar why is this not been put to uefa FFP board aswell if they are found guilty again then UEFA must take action and ban them for 5 years

UEFA STINK I WOULD WALK AWAY FROM CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL


<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32725882" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32725882</a>

A Spanish judge has ordered Barcelona Football Club to stand trial over claims it tried to mislead tax authorities.

The club bought the Brazilian player Neymar in 2013 for what they said was €57m euros ($41m; $65m).

But a judge in Madrid said he believes the club knew the fee was far higher - and so more tax should have been paid.

The club's current and former presidents have 10 days to respond to the court.

Barcelona and its former president, Sandro Rosell, have previously denied wrongdoing.


The current president, Josep Maria Bartomeu, previously said that the findings were "open to interpretation" and that he would challenge them.

The club said it paid €57m for Neymar, 23, with his parents receiving €45m of the fee.

But investigators allege that the fee for Neymar's transfer from Brazilian team Santos was closer to €83m.

As a result, Barcelona has not paid about €13m in tax, say prosecutors.

The Spanish news agency, Efe, said the club could face a fine of more than €22m if found guilty.

All parties have 10 days to file papers in their defence before the court. No trial date has yet been fixed.

Barcelona need only one more victory to win the Spanish league, and reached the Champions League final after beating Bayern Munich 5-3 on aggregate on Tuesday.

I don`t think UEFA can at the moment do anything,until the charges are proved and they are found guilty.If that is the case,then UEFA surely would have dish out some hard punishment.I wait with baited breath !!

but we all know nothing will happen to barca if found guilty UEFA can fuck off

FFP is a set of very specific rules based on financial accounts. An ongoing court case has nothing to do with it and there is no board who sit around handing out punishment on a whim. 10 clubs have been pulled up this year on FFP, we are not on the list. Barca have legal problems for murky dealings – that is good for us. Real have issues relating to transfers for youth players emerging – again that is good news for us.

We need to keep our noses clean and the club are doing a great job. Let’s not throw our toys out of the pram on a regular basis.