City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Damocles said:
Funnily enough Daniel Geey who is obviously a know fuck all idiot on FFP compared to Ed, only being a lowly sports lawyer at Field Fisher Waterhouse with a specialization on Competition and EU Regulatory law, almost never gets dragged onto TalkSport or wherever to talk about Financial Fair Play.

Probably because his Law in Sport blog doesn't have FFP in the title and the crap researchers at places like that can't do anything past a single Google search.

Oh, and the fact that he's been saying for years that City are absolutely fine and that there's no way that FFP won't be torn apart in the courts. Again though he's only a sports lawyer with a specialization on Competition and EU Regulatory law, what does he know about Competition and EU Regulatory law hey?

Best get the blogger in.

Tossers.

Is that the guy whose piece on the DuPont challenge was linked on here by Pam earlier in the week? If so it was very good.
 
For the legal bods, would it be possible that the club go after this **** and his website for defamation?

We have a history of stamping down on blatant lies in the printed media and i see no difference here.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

blueinsa said:
For the legal bods, would it be possible that the club go after this c**t and his website for defamation?

We have a history of stamping down on blatant lies in the printed media and i see no difference here.
lies make more lies and that's when our lawyers need to pop over and rip into a law suit or two.
 
blueinsa said:
For the legal bods, would it be possible that the club go after this **** and his website for defamation?

We have a history of stamping down on blatant lies in the printed media and i see no difference here.

Morally they should be able to.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Damocles said:
Tueart1976 said:
I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but it is a post by Ed Thompson about FFP being eased (I get the felling he doesn't like City):

He hates us and is a bitter rag who doesn't know what he's talking about. I've proven on this very thread in the past that he has gotten projections wrong by tens of millions of pounds then gone back and edited the old results to make them closer after the fact.

Platini announces FFP rules to be 'eased

Posted by Ed Thompson on Monday, May 18, 2015

The announcement that FFP rules are to be 'eased' has left both critics and supporters of the rules wondering what this means for the European football.

The FFP rules and their concept of 'break-even' look set to stay, but crucially, the rule that prevents a wealthy owner from injecting cash into the club to fund losses appears about to be scrapped. In many ways this isn't hugely surprising; UEFA's 'sustainability' argument always looked the most vulnerable in respect of a wealthy benefactor who makes-good any loss made by the club. Although Platini managed to secure approval for FFP from the European Commission, their consent was built firmly on the 'sustainability' platform; the EC has never expressly come out and said it supported the restrictions placed on benefactor owners who didn't run their clubs into debt. The sustainability argument looks decidedly wobbly when the rules are used to punish Man City and PSG's owners who routinely making-good the value of any losses and injecting cash into their debt-free clubs. UEFA would be hard-pressed to argue that Man City and PSG are in a perilous financial state teetering on the edge of oblivion.

It is clear from Platini's comments that UEFA have been unnerved by the legal challenges it has faced and is still facing (in addition from the lack of overt EC support to this element of the rules). In addition to the ongoing Striani/Dupont case, Dynamo Moscow have recently become the first club to refuse an FFP plea-bargain and take their case to the CFCB Adjudicatory Chamber (we don't yet know the reason for their appeal but given Platini's announcement, it seems probable that the club, owned by a bank via one of Russia's most wealthy individuals, is challenging the equity injection rules).

Other than the legal issues, there is another key reason why cash injections from owners will soon be permitted for the break-even test: Man City and PSG (the biggest FFP transgressors) are able to fudge the 'break-even' test. Both City and PSG are State-owned clubs and to get round the FFP rules the now write a large number of inflated deals with state-influenced companies. By maximising income, they can ensure they break even (or come very close). UEFA's Related Party Transaction rules are simply not able to adjust the value downwards for FFP purposes; each of the deals could in isolation be argued to be 'fair value'. Last year Qatar-owned PSG were hit by an FFP sanction for writing a single 250m euro deal with the Qatar Tourist Authority; the club have learnt their lesson and adopted City's model spreading their inflated income round a smaller number of companies.

It is worth remembering why the equity injection rules were originally introduced along-side 'break-even' rules. The FFP rules were voted-in by the European Club Association and the view was that benefactor owners caused wage and transfer-fee escalation. By paying huge fees and wages, clubs such as Chelsea and Man City made it hard for other clubs to keep and acquire players without running up large, potentially unsustainable losses. Although it has taken some time for the effects of FFP to have had an impact, only last week Man Utd's Ed Woodward told press that "FFP is starting to have an effect in terms of controlling player costs". Add this to Infantino's statement that "Aggregate net losses of Europe's clubs have fallen from 1.7bn euros in 2011 to 400m euros in 2014", and we have a picture of FFP clearly helping to move clubs in the right direction.

So how will the changes affect football?
This is clearly good news for most Man City and PSG fans. Those fans who want to see their club purchase the world's finest players (possibly including Messi) will be delighted. Any residual supporters longing nostalgically for the basic charms of the Kippax may find themselves disillusioned but most fans will be delighted at this news; there really is no stopping them. Sam Wallace's (Independent) article from September looks spot-on; "It's no longer a case of whether or not Manchester City can win the Champions League, it is merely a matter of when.."

Both the Premier League and the Championship's FFP rules work on a broadly similar concept to UEFA's (with owner injected equity excluded from Break Even). However, given the increased TV deal and the larger permitted loss in the Premier League, a similar rule change here would not have a huge effect. Although at first glance, Chelsea might look to be a winner from any PL rule change, they would still be constrained by the restriction on increasing the annual wage bill by a maximum of either £4m a year, or an uplift in commercial income. Interestingly, this wage-rise cap would also restrict clubs like Everton and Southampton from getting to the top-table (even if owner cash injections were permitted for FFP purposes and if they had an owner willing to roll the dice). Quite what the Liverpool owners would think of a potential PL change would be interesting; they cited FFP as one of the reasons they bought club. A rule change in the Premier League would make it a real struggle to get as close to Man City as they did last season.

If the winners from a UEFA/PL/Championship rule-change would clear, it less easy to identify who would lose from any change. We may well see wage escalation take-off again and see more European clubs get into difficulty. Perhaps it is in the Championship that things might change the most. In the short term, QPR will be heartened by Platini's announcement (in advance of their arbitration hearing). Longer term, any lifting of the restriction in owner-injected cash might require the introduction of wage-rise caps (or interactive, real-time monitoring) to avoid a desperate spending battle to get out of the division.

Before critics prematurely rush to celebrate FFP's demise, is worth noting that it is now over two years since any Football League or Premier League club went into administration. That just might have something to do with FFP.


He's a dickhead. I do know how this sounds and I don't reserve this for any old person but I'm doing to deck the prick if I ever have the misfortune of seeing him; he has consistently lied about City, about City fans and has gone on national radio stations under the air of respectability to do so. He is classed as an expert in a field where he has absolutely no working knowledge of and struck it lucky by buying a domain early.

He's just a blogger yet is carried as some sort of authority.

This is a man who claimed that we were paying Denis Suarez £120,000 a week and Stefan Savic £200,000 a week in his projections in order to give a false impression of our financial situation to other well meaning fans who wanted a bit of information. Essentially he has purposely miseducated people on a complicated topic due to his own football bias which is one of those things that I find infuriating and I'll have him for it one day.

In a nutshell, this. He's a fucking project manager at HSBC for fucks sake with a degree from Sheffield Hallam presumably in equine nutrition or dairy herd management or some other complete nonsense unrelated subject or he would say what his degree is in and yet he doesn't.

That makes sense because yesterday the latest illegal practices that most Banks use was made public:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bobsguide.com/guide/news/2015/May/22/record-fines-imposed-on-banks-for-rigging-forex-market.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bobsguide.com/guide/news/201 ... arket.html</a>

Ed must feel really uncomfortable working in a trade that routinely uses illegal methods to survive.
 
Damocles said:
blueinsa said:
For the legal bods, would it be possible that the club go after this c**t and his website for defamation?

We have a history of stamping down on blatant lies in the printed media and i see no difference here.

Morally they should be able to.



He needs hurting for this:

"Last year Qatar-owned PSG were hit by an FFP sanction for writing a single 250m euro deal with the Qatar Tourist Authority; the club have learnt their lesson and adopted City's model spreading their inflated income round a smaller number of companies."

I don't even know what it means, a smaller number of companies than the one PSG used? Anyway, the implication is clear, and it isn't one that City should let rest. Requested correction, if not forthcoming a legal action that will cost the guy money he hasn't got.

Nobody minds an opinion, but when it's presented as fact, it goes too far.
 
Damocles said:
blueinsa said:
For the legal bods, would it be possible that the club go after this **** and his website for defamation?

We have a history of stamping down on blatant lies in the printed media and i see no difference here.

Morally they should be able to.

The problem is that if City were to go after some no-mark, who's only contribution to public discourse comes from having a little blog, it would make the club look like bullies.

The fact he's completely and consistently in the wrong would not come into it. It would have a touch of the Oyston's about it.

I suspect that City take a similar view on these matters as they have done around FFP as a whole; namely that there may be some battles which have to be lost in order to win the war.

Forget him guys, he's a shit stain and he'll be crying into his Ryan Giggs duvet when our "project" really takes off!
 
aguero93:20 said:
john@staustell said:
@Andy

Unlike that sad c**t most of us have lives, I've given thought to the blog though, I've enough material.

I do take that point -- I've spent all morning and most of yesterday putting together a website to promote a bunch of writers when I should be getting on with my own work, so I know it can be a massive time suck. But like you say, if you've already written about in depth here, why not paste it into a blog that will challenge this liar...
 

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