City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[jrb]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

I appreciate it's World Cup related, but 2 of our allies :-) at UEFA and the G14 get about a bit. ;-)

According to the emails, some of which have been seen by the BBC, Bin Hammam:

*Visited Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin to discuss "bilateral relations" between Russia and Qatar a month before the votes for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.

*Brokered government level talks for Thailand's Fifa executive Worawi Makudi to push a deal on importing gas from Qatar to Thailand. Makudi told the paper he did not receive a concession for his part in any gas deal.

*Invited Germany's former Fifa executive Franz Beckenbauer to Doha just five months after the vote with bosses from an oil and gas shipping firm which was employing him as a consultant. The firm involved says it was exploring possible Qatari investments in the shipping and maritime sector but that no deal ever came from the talks. When approached by the Sunday Times, former German international Beckenbauer declined to comment.

*Fixed meetings between nine Fifa executive committee members, including Blatter, with members of the Qatari royal family.

*Arranged a meeting between the Qatar bid team and Uefa boss Michel Platini at European football's headquarters in Nyon, near Geneva. Platini, who has openly admitted voting for Qatar, says Bin Hammam did not attend the meeting and insists he has nothing to hide.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27751265" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27751265</a>

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Premier League clubs’ net losses (after player trading
and finance costs) for 2012/13 were £316m
(2011/12: £245m). Five clubs made pre-tax losses in
excess of £50m. This included Liverpool, the most
severe at £70m, as well as two other clubs, Chelsea
and Manchester City, who finished in the top four in
the Premier League in 2013/14.

This is the joke! We have to compete against this club in the Champs League with four less players, even though they made much larger losses!

Maybe, this is exactly what United will do now? Don't have to worry about FFP and can spend a mint next year without worry!

debt is good

It's fitting that you use this image as the man who gave them that is now wearing them!

 

[gmckennasell]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

PSG have reacted brilliantly , twatini says you cant spend more than £49m next season , and they go and spend £50m on Luiz straight away , they are saying fuck you , and fuck your fine , lets go to court.

 

[Kompany is King]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Utd could spend mentally and be FFP immune next year but for the fact they brought in to try and stop City the Premier League FFP.

They can only spend on wages an increase in line with their increased commercial and European money, now whilst they lose about 50m from Europe they have made this up elsewhere but are fairly limited on what they can increase wages by. Obviously they save rio, vidic, giggs etc and have some scope but they can't go completely mental

FFP is based on the 2 previous seasons (I think) so even though the rags aren't in it this season coming are they still not subject to it? That said they've got massive revenue streams and it shouldn't really affect them unfortunately. With the released and retired wages they also got a hell of a lot of wriggle room.
In answer to 'Kompany is King' regarding Real Madrid, they have the same massive (arf) revenue incoming plus of course they're bent as fuck.

Cheers, appreciate the response.

I guess this 'legality' is way down the list of UEFA priorities.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

PSG have reacted brilliantly , twatini says you cant spend more than £49m next season , and they go and spend £50m on Luiz straight away , they are saying fuck you , and fuck your fine , lets go to court.

They obviously have to SELL SOMEONE NOW, because it is £49M NET.

 

[jonmcity]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

PSG have reacted brilliantly , twatini says you cant spend more than £49m next season , and they go and spend £50m on Luiz straight away , they are saying fuck you , and fuck your fine , lets go to court.

They obviously have to SELL SOMEONE NOW, because it is £49M NET.

or just stick two fingers up and pay the fine and go on and win the champions league

 

[gmckennasell]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

would love a CITY V PSG champs final next season UEFA , twatini , rumenigge , gill all the usual suspects would be livid.

 

[Hoghead]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

would love a CITY V PSG champs final next season UEFA , twatini , rumenigge , gill all the usual suspects would be livid.

That's as likely as England qualifying from the group stages of the World Cup finals.

 

[SteveinBeds]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

would love a CITY V PSG champs final next season UEFA , twatini , rumenigge , gill all the usual suspects would be livid.

That's as likely as England qualifying from the group stages of the World Cup finals.

....So it is a realistic possibility then but not, of course, certain?

 

[Centurions]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

would love a CITY V PSG champs final next season UEFA , twatini , rumenigge , gill all the usual suspects would be livid.

They'd just make sure we would be in the same half of the draw to ensure that doesn't happen. Not that I'm saying they're bent or anything like that...

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

I think some of us should read the FFP regulations again, but more closely this time. You'll find that Annexe 47, clause 108, sub section 46, amendment 17 clearly states that "bungs, bribes, backhanders, pots de vin" will only count as "investment in infrastructure" if they are not delivered by hand in brown envelopes but are rather transferred electronically to numbered bank accounts in Sw****land. Special regulations, included in an unpublished codex, apply to teams from England playing normally in sky blue shirts. U**A reserve the right to change these secret regulations after consultation with our advisers in Florida and Munich.

 

[jrb]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

You've just got to love Arsenal fans. They feel that aggrieved by Manchester City and what the club has done and won over the last 5-6 years that they just can't let their hatred of City go.

They really have taken it personally. It's like they view everything that has happened at City as a personal attack against their club, fanned by their owners and Wenger. Their only solace is their on-going and personal FFPR campaign against City.(and now PSG)

Remember, this is the club that spent £42.4 on signing Ozil. A transfer fee bigger than any signed off by Sheikh Mansour and City. A club that has the highest season ticket and matchday ticket prices in the PL and probably Europe.(bar Real Madrid and Barcelona?) A club that charges some of the highest away ticket prices in the PL. But you'll never hear Wenger or Arsenal fans mentioning that. And then there's the land around their new stadium. Instead of giving it back to the local community and building community facilities on it, they sold the land to a property developer, who in turn built apartments on it, valued around £325,000 and over.

This is how a properly run club treats it's own fans and the local community.

Another bitter rant by an Arsenal fan. Note the bold and highlighted sections.

Good news Arsenal as UEFA get tougher with FFP


This entry was posted in Arsenal Financial News, Arsenal News, Arsenal NewsNow, Arsenal Transfer News and tagged Man City, Platini, PSG, Wenger on June 8, 2014 by Bob.

Towards the end of last season, Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger finally seemed to be vindicated over his financially stable way of running the Gunners. We heard that a number of clubs around Europe were set to face sanctions after breaking the Financial Fair Play rules, chief among them being Man City and PSG.

Great, we thought, now maybe these crazy transfer prices can calm down a bit and perhaps Arsenal could actually sign some of the players we wanted to without some other big time charlie coming along and outbidding us. But this feeling of optimism did not last long, as the Abu-Dhabi based owners of City, and the Qatari group in charge of PSG just carried on as if nothing had happened.

The City board made a statement vowing to continue to sign the players they wanted, while PSG basically stuck two fingers up to UEFA and agreed the £50 million transfer of David Luiz from Chelsea. Maybe Wenger was right to suggest that the sanctions were not strong enough, and now Michel Platini seems to agree. A report in the Daily Mail reveals that the French chief of European football’s governing body is now ready to ban repeat offenders from the Champions League, a move that will surely get their attention more than just having their squad numbers reduced.

But will Platini’s plans really have an effect for Arsenal in the summer transfer window?

Talk about a self-obsessed article. Perhaps Arsenal, this, perhaps Arsenal that. Anyone would think football and football transfers are run for the good of Arsenal football club and their needs.

The comments below the article by Arsenal fans are priceless. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.justarsenal.com/good-news-arsenal-as-uefa-get-tougher-with-ffp/33078" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.justarsenal.com/good-news-ar ... -ffp/33078</a>

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

You've just got to love Arsenal fans. They feel that aggrieved by Manchester City and what the club has done and won over the last 5-6 years, that they just can't let their hatred of City go.

They really have taken it personally. It's like they view everything that has happened at City as a personal attack against their club, fanned by their owners and Wenger. Their only solace is their on-going and personal FFPR campaign against City.(and now PSG)

Remember, this is the club that spent £42.4 on signing Ozil. A transfer fee bigger than any signed off by Sheikh Mansour and City. A club that has the highest season ticket and matchday ticket prices in the PL and probably Europe.(bar Real Madrid and Barcelona?) A club that charges some of the highest away ticket prices in the PL. But you'll never hear Wenger or Arsenal fans mentioning that. And then there's the land around their new stadium. Instead of giving it back to the local community and building community facilities on it, they sold the land to a property developer, who in turn built apartments on it, valued around £325,000 and over.

This is how a properly run club treats it's own fans and the local community.

Another bitter rant by an Arsenal fan. Note the bold and highlighted sections.

Good news Arsenal as UEFA get tougher with FFP


This entry was posted in Arsenal Financial News, Arsenal News, Arsenal NewsNow, Arsenal Transfer News and tagged Man City, Platini, PSG, Wenger on June 8, 2014 by Bob.

Towards the end of last season, Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger finally seemed to be vindicated over his financially stable way of running the Gunners. We heard that a number of clubs around Europe were set to face sanctions after breaking the Financial Fair Play rules, chief among them being Man City and PSG.

Great, we thought, now maybe these crazy transfer prices can calm down a bit and perhaps Arsenal could actually sign some of the players we wanted to without some other big time charlie coming along and outbidding us. But this feeling of optimism did not last long, as the Abu-Dhabi based owners of City, and the Qatari group in charge of PSG just carried on as if nothing had happened.

The City board made a statement vowing to continue to sign the players they wanted, while PSG basically stuck two fingers up to UEFA and agreed the £50 million transfer of David Luiz from Chelsea. Maybe Wenger was right to suggest that the sanctions were not strong enough, and now Michel Platini seems to agree. A report in the Daily Mail reveals that the French chief of European football’s governing body is now ready to ban repeat offenders from the Champions League, a move that will surely get their attention more than just having their squad numbers reduced.

But will Platini’s plans really have an effect for Arsenal in the summer transfer window?

Talk about a self-obsessed article. Perhaps Arsenal, this, perhaps Arsenal that. Anyone would think football and football transfers are run for the good of Arsenal football club and their needs.

The comments below the article by Arsenal fans are priceless. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.justarsenal.com/good-news-arsenal-as-uefa-get-tougher-with-ffp/33078" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.justarsenal.com/good-news-ar ... -ffp/33078</a>

Arsenal supporters are as hypocritical as any, and if they would take off their blinkers and look at what is going on in the Arsenal hierarchy, they would soon realise that Alisher Usmanov, one of the world's richest men with a fortune in excess of £13bn, and with a share ownership in Arsenal at 30%, is refused a place on the Arsenal board for no other reason than he and majority stakeholder Stanley Kroenke having an intense dislike of each other. Basically, Usmanov is calling for major transfer market activity at the same level as City, Chelsea and PSG whereas Kroenke and his fellow board members are content to fleece the club's fans in the way you have highlighted, yet their supporters are mug enough to follow this line and in some way seeing the tightfisted [or hamstrung] Wenger as some kind of saint. I would predict that if Usmanov wins his fight and is co-opted onto the board, there will be a huge spending spree by Arsenal and their fans will be lapping it up and not caring two hoots about FFP as they will no longer be working at a disadvantage.

 

[oakiecokie]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Its an obsession with the twats.I really do hate them as a club and their supporters really are as thick as pig shit.

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Good news Arsenal as UEFA get tougher with FFP


This entry was posted in Arsenal Financial News, Arsenal News, Arsenal NewsNow, Arsenal Transfer News and tagged Man City, Platini, PSG, Wenger on June 8, 2014 by Bob.

Towards the end of last season, Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger finally seemed to be vindicated over his financially stable way of running the Gunners. We heard that a number of clubs around Europe were set to face sanctions after breaking the Financial Fair Play rules, chief among them being Man City and PSG.

Great, we thought, now maybe these crazy transfer prices can calm down a bit and perhaps Arsenal could actually sign some of the players we wanted to without some other big time charlie coming along and outbidding us. But this feeling of optimism did not last long, as the Abu-Dhabi based owners of City, and the Qatari group in charge of PSG just carried on as if nothing had happened.

The City board made a statement vowing to continue to sign the players they wanted, while PSG basically stuck two fingers up to UEFA and agreed the £50 million transfer of David Luiz from Chelsea. Maybe Wenger was right to suggest that the sanctions were not strong enough, and now Michel Platini seems to agree. A report in the Daily Mail reveals that the French chief of European football’s governing body is now ready to ban repeat offenders from the Champions League, a move that will surely get their attention more than just having their squad numbers reduced.

But will Platini’s plans really have an effect for Arsenal in the summer transfer window?

Utter gobshites with the same old arguments. Wenger has never been vindicated over anything as he doesn't run the club, he runs the team. No mention of the fee for Ozil, which was no doubt made with 'earned' money. As for the bit in red, I can only imagine he has a problem with people from Abu Dhabi and Qatar. Classy.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

You've just got to love Arsenal fans. They feel that aggrieved by Manchester City and what the club has done and won over the last 5-6 years that they just can't let their hatred of City go.

They really have taken it personally. It's like they view everything that has happened at City as a personal attack against their club, fanned by their owners and Wenger. Their only solace is their on-going and personal FFPR campaign against City.(and now PSG)

Remember, this is the club that spent £42.4 on signing Ozil. A transfer fee bigger than any signed off by Sheikh Mansour and City. A club that has the highest season ticket and matchday ticket prices in the PL and probably Europe.(bar Real Madrid and Barcelona?) A club that charges some of the highest away ticket prices in the PL. But you'll never hear Wenger or Arsenal fans mentioning that. And then there's the land around their new stadium. Instead of giving it back to the local community and building community facilities on it, they sold the land to a property developer, who in turn built apartments on it, valued around £325,000 and over.

This is how a properly run club treats it's own fans and the local community.

Another bitter rant by an Arsenal fan. Note the bold and highlighted sections.

Good news Arsenal as UEFA get tougher with FFP


This entry was posted in Arsenal Financial News, Arsenal News, Arsenal NewsNow, Arsenal Transfer News and tagged Man City, Platini, PSG, Wenger on June 8, 2014 by Bob.

Towards the end of last season, Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger finally seemed to be vindicated over his financially stable way of running the Gunners. We heard that a number of clubs around Europe were set to face sanctions after breaking the Financial Fair Play rules, chief among them being Man City and PSG.

Great, we thought, now maybe these crazy transfer prices can calm down a bit and perhaps Arsenal could actually sign some of the players we wanted to without some other big time charlie coming along and outbidding us. But this feeling of optimism did not last long, as the Abu-Dhabi based owners of City, and the Qatari group in charge of PSG just carried on as if nothing had happened.

The City board made a statement vowing to continue to sign the players they wanted, while PSG basically stuck two fingers up to UEFA and agreed the £50 million transfer of David Luiz from Chelsea. Maybe Wenger was right to suggest that the sanctions were not strong enough, and now Michel Platini seems to agree. A report in the Daily Mail reveals that the French chief of European football’s governing body is now ready to ban repeat offenders from the Champions League, a move that will surely get their attention more than just having their squad numbers reduced.

But will Platini’s plans really have an effect for Arsenal in the summer transfer window?

Talk about a self-obsessed article. Perhaps Arsenal, this, perhaps Arsenal that. Anyone would think football and football transfers are run for the good of Arsenal football club and their needs.

The comments below the article by Arsenal fans are priceless. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.justarsenal.com/good-news-arsenal-as-uefa-get-tougher-with-ffp/33078" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.justarsenal.com/good-news-ar ... -ffp/33078</a>

It's all a bit premature, where have City stated that they are going to continue flouting the rules? In fact we have continually stated from day zero that we are working to meet the targets that UEFA set - driven on by Gill and Wenger, despite the continued subsequent amendments.

Unbelievable.

 

[Centurions]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

The City board made a statement vowing to continue to sign the players they wanted,

Talk about a self-obsessed article. Perhaps Arsenal, this, perhaps Arsenal that. Anyone would think football and football transfers are run for the good of Arsenal football club and their needs.

The comments below the article by Arsenal fans are priceless. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.justarsenal.com/good-news-arsenal-as-uefa-get-tougher-with-ffp/33078" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.justarsenal.com/good-news-ar ... -ffp/33078</a>

It's all a bit premature, where have City stated that they are going to continue flouting the rules? In fact we have continually stated from day zero that we are working to meet the targets that UEFA set - driven on by Gill and Wenger, despite the continued subsequent amendments.

Unbelievable.

You've got to think either that the writer doesn't know PSG & City are 2 separate clubs and he's taken any comment from one to apply to the other as well or he's taken this statement from City

- The Club’s expenditure on new players for the upcoming summer transfer window, on top of income from players it might sell, will be limited to 60m euros. This will have no material impact on the Club’s planned transfer activity.

and just twisted it to suit his purposes.

Either scenario makes him look an idiot.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

You've just got to love Arsenal fans. They feel that aggrieved by Manchester City and what the club has done and won over the last 5-6 years that they just can't let their hatred of City go.

They really have taken it personally. It's like they view everything that has happened at City as a personal attack against their club, fanned by their owners and Wenger. Their only solace is their on-going and personal FFPR campaign against City.(and now PSG)

Remember, this is the club that spent £42.4 on signing Ozil. A transfer fee bigger than any signed off by Sheikh Mansour and City. A club that has the highest season ticket and matchday ticket prices in the PL and probably Europe.(bar Real Madrid and Barcelona?) A club that charges some of the highest away ticket prices in the PL. But you'll never hear Wenger or Arsenal fans mentioning that. And then there's the land around their new stadium. Instead of giving it back to the local community and building community facilities on it, they sold the land to a property developer, who in turn built apartments on it, valued around £325,000 and over.

This is how a properly run club treats it's own fans and the local community.

Another bitter rant by an Arsenal fan. Note the bold and highlighted sections.

Good news Arsenal as UEFA get tougher with FFP


This entry was posted in Arsenal Financial News, Arsenal News, Arsenal NewsNow, Arsenal Transfer News and tagged Man City, Platini, PSG, Wenger on June 8, 2014 by Bob.

Towards the end of last season, Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger finally seemed to be vindicated over his financially stable way of running the Gunners. We heard that a number of clubs around Europe were set to face sanctions after breaking the Financial Fair Play rules, chief among them being Man City and PSG.

Great, we thought, now maybe these crazy transfer prices can calm down a bit and perhaps Arsenal could actually sign some of the players we wanted to without some other big time charlie coming along and outbidding us. But this feeling of optimism did not last long, as the Abu-Dhabi based owners of City, and the Qatari group in charge of PSG just carried on as if nothing had happened.

The City board made a statement vowing to continue to sign the players they wanted, while PSG basically stuck two fingers up to UEFA and agreed the £50 million transfer of David Luiz from Chelsea. Maybe Wenger was right to suggest that the sanctions were not strong enough, and now Michel Platini seems to agree. A report in the Daily Mail reveals that the French chief of European football’s governing body is now ready to ban repeat offenders from the Champions League, a move that will surely get their attention more than just having their squad numbers reduced.

But will Platini’s plans really have an effect for Arsenal in the summer transfer window?

Talk about a self-obsessed article. Perhaps Arsenal, this, perhaps Arsenal that. Anyone would think football and football transfers are run for the good of Arsenal football club and their needs.

The comments below the article by Arsenal fans are priceless. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.justarsenal.com/good-news-arsenal-as-uefa-get-tougher-with-ffp/33078" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.justarsenal.com/good-news-ar ... -ffp/33078</a>

It's all a bit premature, where have City stated that they are going to continue flouting the rules? In fact we have continually stated from day zero that we are working to meet the targets that UEFA set - driven on by Gill and Wenger, despite the continued subsequent amendments.

Unbelievable.

I think a lot of these people are so thick that they just assumed that ffp would come in & that it would mean that City were no longer able to spend any money on transfers. So they just expected to sit there smug & cozy, spending money themselves & watching us slip down the pecking order.

It has never even occured to them that City will actually generate more money than they do, thus continue to have a bigger transfer budget, probably getting further away each season.

City have no need to break the ffp sanctions either, we can just work around it.

 

[momo88]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

You've just got to love Arsenal fans. They feel that aggrieved by Manchester City and what the club has done and won over the last 5-6 years that they just can't let their hatred of City go.

They really have taken it personally. It's like they view everything that has happened at City as a personal attack against their club, fanned by their owners and Wenger. Their only solace is their on-going and personal FFPR campaign against City.(and now PSG)

Remember, this is the club that spent £42.4 on signing Ozil. A transfer fee bigger than any signed off by Sheikh Mansour and City. A club that has the highest season ticket and matchday ticket prices in the PL and probably Europe.(bar Real Madrid and Barcelona?) A club that charges some of the highest away ticket prices in the PL. But you'll never hear Wenger or Arsenal fans mentioning that. And then there's the land around their new stadium. Instead of giving it back to the local community and building community facilities on it, they sold the land to a property developer, who in turn built apartments on it, valued around £325,000 and over.

This is how a properly run club treats it's own fans and the local community.

Another bitter rant by an Arsenal fan. Note the bold and highlighted sections.



Talk about a self-obsessed article. Perhaps Arsenal, this, perhaps Arsenal that. Anyone would think football and football transfers are run for the good of Arsenal football club and their needs.

The comments below the article by Arsenal fans are priceless. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.justarsenal.com/good-news-arsenal-as-uefa-get-tougher-with-ffp/33078" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.justarsenal.com/good-news-ar ... -ffp/33078</a>

It's all a bit premature, where have City stated that they are going to continue flouting the rules? In fact we have continually stated from day zero that we are working to meet the targets that UEFA set - driven on by Gill and Wenger, despite the continued subsequent amendments.

Unbelievable.

I think a lot of these people are so thick that they just assumed that ffp would come in & that it would mean that City were no longer able to spend any money on transfers. So they just expected to sit there smug & cozy, spending money themselves & watching us slip down the pecking order.

It has never even occured to them that City will actually generate more money than they do, thus continue to have a bigger transfer budget, probably getting further away each season.

City have no need to break the ffp sanctions either, we can just work around it.

I agree with you

you know sometimes i wonder if a large part of football fans are dumb uneducated who are more about hating other clubs and supporters

and those Arsenal fans acting like if the club is their property at the end of the day kroenke will continue to charge them higher with the top 4 ambition (spend less get 4th place that generate CL money)

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

It's all a bit premature, where have City stated that they are going to continue flouting the rules? In fact we have continually stated from day zero that we are working to meet the targets that UEFA set - driven on by Gill and Wenger, despite the continued subsequent amendments.

Unbelievable.

I think a lot of these people are so thick that they just assumed that ffp would come in & that it would mean that City were no longer able to spend any money on transfers. So they just expected to sit there smug & cozy, spending money themselves & watching us slip down the pecking order.

It has never even occured to them that City will actually generate more money than they do, thus continue to have a bigger transfer budget, probably getting further away each season.

City have no need to break the ffp sanctions either, we can just work around it.

I agree with you

you know sometimes i wonder if a large part of football fans are dumb uneducated who are more about hating other clubs and supporters

and those Arsenal fans acting like if the club is their property at the end of the day kroenke will continue to charge them higher with the top 4 ambition (spend less get 4th place that generate CL money)

i love the tarquins getting shafted over season tickets prices by their foreign owners