City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[blueinsa]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

That wont pay the bills though mate.

CL success is absolutely key to our plans going forward.

The Premier Legue doesn't pay the bills? It's the most lucrative competition in the world.

I would say 95-100 mill should pay the bills plus sponsorship.

Global sponsors want global exposure in the worlds biggest and prestigious competitions.

Of course the PL is one of those but so is the CL and to suggest we can just walk away from it is folly and commercial suicide.

 

[@BluePhil8]

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There is definitely a mood swing in the media towards us after the £50mill fine came out.

City are finally realising that you have to play dirty sometimes. It's my strong suspicion that the media are being told that if they take our line, they will get first dibs at a big story shortly (and may even have been told what it is).

Not for the first time today someone suggests that we may have dirt on Platini.

I know you have not named him PB but its clear that some of you have info :-)

What dirt could we have?

Do we have photo's of him and fat Ronaldo banging a load of Trannies in a suburb of Rio?

 

[without a dream]

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After JMW posted the EU laws earlier I've become very calm about this.

If we get a slap on the wrists we'll take it FFP will after all be to the long term benefit of city however distasteful that is. If not we'll go to the CAS where we'll probably win or the ECJ where we definitely will. I imagine that will lead to some 'surprisingly' hard groups and bizarrely bad refereeing in the CL but if you're going to win jt you may as well do it the hard way.

 

[blueinsa]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

City are finally realising that you have to play dirty sometimes. It's my strong suspicion that the media are being told that if they take our line, they will get first dibs at a big story shortly (and may even have been told what it is).

Not for the first time today someone suggests that we may have dirt on Platini.

I know you have not named him PB but its clear that some of you have info :-)

What dirt could we have?

Do we have photo's of him and fat Ronaldo banging a load of Trannies in a suburb of Rio?

Not got a Scooby mate but from a few posts today its clear that something is doing the rounds shall we say.

 

[Pam]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

There is definitely a mood swing in the media towards us after the £50mill fine came out.

City are finally realising that you have to play dirty sometimes. It's my strong suspicion that the media are being told that if they take our line, they will get first dibs at a big story shortly (and may even have been told what it is).

Not for the first time today someone suggests that we may have dirt on Platini.

I know you have not named him PB but its clear that some of you have info :-)

If we have dirt on him, why isn't he treading more cautiously?

 

[SWP's back]

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If UEFA aren't bothered about debt, why don't we take out a £1billion bank loan? Then slowly pay it back, like the scum are?

Because there is zero point and it would have zero effect on the PL account.

 

[Balti]

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I hear where you are coming from mate, and I am not sure there's a pro-Liverpool agenda per se. More of a blind-eye to certain clubs and infringements and ton-of-bricks coming down on others. Terrible double-standards at best.

I still stand by me assertion that unless it is clearly stated in the rules somewhere that break-even requirement does not apply if you are not currently in the CL, then they cannot be given a free pass unless blatant cheating is going on.

Please can anyone show me where in the FFP rules it says the break-even requirement does not apply if you are not currently in the CL? I don't see it anywhere.

Sorry to disagree but it is in the regulations.

The brief process is that if a club in EPL will be granted (by the FA) a licence to play in UEFA competitions. A licence is only for one season

The timelines are such that quite a few clubs would apply because they might qualify but come end of the season if they don't qualify then their name isn't put forward by the FA. In effect the only clubs that get granted a licence are those that qualify for CL or EL

As was explained by someone else there are lots of other requirements such as safety, youth development etc.

So in the case of Liverpool they don't have a licence. Man City(by virtue of them competing in the CL in season 2013/14 do)

It is only when a club is granted a licence that the FFP monitoring requirements start and are explained within articles 53 & 54 of UEFAs Licensing Regulations <a class="postlink" href="http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/01/80/54/10/1805410_DOWNLOAD.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Dow ... WNLOAD.pdf</a>

Also the FA confirm that the financial tests only take place during the year of qualification.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/more/financial-regulation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... regulation</a>


I would also suggest that a look at article 43 would be worthwhile in that it talks about by applying for a club license you in effect agree to accept UEFAs regulations or if appropriate rulings from CAS

I have read all this before, but it's been helpful to get another pair of eyes on it, so thanks.

What I am struggling with is this:

1. The monitoring process starts on submission by the licensor <<the FA>> of the list of licensing decisions <<i.e. list of UEFA competition qualifiers>> to the UEFA administration and ends at the end of the licence season. Got that.
   ...
2. All licensees that have qualified for a UEFA club competition must comply with the monitoring requirements, i.e. with the break-even requirement (Articles 58 to 63) and with the other monitoring requirements (Articles 64 to 68).
   ...
3. A monitoring period is the period over which a licensee is assessed for the purpose of the break-even requirement. As a rule it covers three reporting periods:
   a) the reporting period ending in the calendar year that the UEFA club competitions commence (hereinafter: reporting period T), and
   b) the reporting period ending in the calendar year before commencement of the UEFA club competitions (hereinafter: reporting period T-1), and
   c) the preceding reporting period (hereinafter: reporting period T-2).

Surely this says that:

1. The FA will tell UEFA that Liverpool have qualified.
2. Liverpool - along with everyone else who's qualified - must meet the FFPR rules.
3. The FFPR rules will look at Liverpool's current year and past 3 years revenues.

It even goes on to say what the exceptions are and who does not need to meet the break-even requirement over the monitoring period and the exceptions are limited and specific and do not say "clubs not previously licensed".

What am I missing?

they are not City

 

[blueinsa]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Not for the first time today someone suggests that we may have dirt on Platini.

I know you have not named him PB but its clear that some of you have info :-)

What dirt could we have?

Do we have photo's of him and fat Ronaldo banging a load of Trannies in a suburb of Rio?

Not got a Scooby mate but from a few posts today its clear that something is doing the rounds shall we say.

 

[Pam]

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Not for the first time today someone suggests that we may have dirt on Platini.

I know you have not named him PB but its clear that some of you have info :-)

What dirt could we have?

Do we have photo's of him and fat Ronaldo banging a load of Trannies in a suburb of Rio?

Not got a Scooby mate but from a few posts today its clear that something is doing the rounds shall we say.

He is a genetic mutant toadstool from a parallel universe. He must die.

 

[dom]

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What dirt could we have?

Do we have photo's of him and fat Ronaldo banging a load of Trannies in a suburb of Rio?

Not got a Scooby mate but from a few posts today its clear that something is doing the rounds shall we say.

He is a genetic mutant toadstool from a parallel universe. He must die.

Dunno about a toadstool but he certainly is toad-like