Dribble said:If we were to play Barca again but they had a squad restriction in place, do you think any of us would be arsed if we beat them because of it? I don't think so. A win’s a win and most fans wouldn't give a shit how we achieved it, it's just the reality of the multi-billion pound football industry mate.SteveinBeds said:Dribble said:Brilliant post.
The thing is though, if it does go to court, UEFA could be seen as the 'reasonable' party for having offered a prior settlement which we rejected. On the flip side, City could argue that any punishment was unfair, because by international accounting standards, we have complied and were left with no choice but to decline the offer and seek legal redress.
Platini is being blamed for all of this, but it shouldn't be forgotten that the Champions League only came about because of the threat from the G14 to break away from UEFA and form a European Super League. All said and done, Platini is just their Patsy.
I know a lot of us have said fuck UEFA, let's pull out of next year's competition and thus devalue it, but this is EXACTLY what the G14 want. The Champions League thrived just fine without us and I'm sure it will continue to without us even if we are the Premier League champions (which is still not a forgone conclusion.
Real, Barca, Bayern, ManUre, Milan, Juve, Inter, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea. These are the top drawer teams who fans tune in to watch. The Champions League can survive without 1 or 2 of them for a few seasons (Liverpool, Rags, Milan, Inter, Juve), but if they were all to up sticks en masse, say 'fuck you UEFA' and set up their threatened invitation only league, the Champions League would be reduced to being akin to the Europa League and we all know it.
It's the G14 who are the problem and it's they where we should be concentrating our efforts. What we need to do imo, is not to call for the scrapping of FFP, but for its re-formulation as something that is truly fair. We should call for unsustainable debtto be tackled and not legitimate equity investment. We should call for a better distribution of funds throughout football from the top to the bottom and we should call for clear fresh rules about football from FIFA that doesn't stop ambitious clubs and protect the elite thus forming a cartel.
We can only effect UEFA from inside the organisation and not outside it. I hope we choose to fight, but we need to bee tactical and tear the enemy apart from within and use every resource we have at our disposal to do so. Let us legally and ethically highlight what we know is wrong in football and what they're trying to do to us and in doing so hopefully the law will deal with the G14 qnd UEFA, because on our own with FFP breathing down our necks we don't stand a chance against the corrupt bastards because they are acting as Judge and Jury!
A good summary about why it may well end up in the courts. Both parties will, no doubt, be warned about (quoting Donald Rumsfeld) the "unknown unknowns" which might arise before the case is heard and, it is my view that the outcome might not be what either party is asking for. I suppose we might accept a lower, but still substantial, cash fine provided that there are no player restrictions. Surely, the public as a whole should be able to watch next year's Champions League with all the teams playing with the same squad size?
Rammy Blue said:Good morning, FFP thread. Should be fun at some point today....
We can't really know unless you happen to know the terms of our sponsorship contracts.TheProdigy2k9 said:so how much does winning the league change things for us in our favour?
and what about the players that want to play in it, should we f**k them off too ? Not sure we'd be doing much title winning if we did.Daz_Blue said:We should just fuck the champions league off .......
People in general watch football for entertainment. I don't think there'd be uproar in Chipping Ongar, Oslo or Donetsk if we had to play with a team restriction in place, tbh I don't think anyone outside of the fans it directly affects would care less.SteveinBeds said:Dribble said:If we were to play Barca again but they had a squad restriction in place, do you think any of us would be arsed if we beat them because of it? I don't think so. A win’s a win and most fans wouldn't give a shit how we achieved it, it's just the reality of the multi-billion pound football industry mate.SteveinBeds said:A good summary about why it may well end up in the courts. Both parties will, no doubt, be warned about (quoting Donald Rumsfeld) the "unknown unknowns" which might arise before the case is heard and, it is my view that the outcome might not be what either party is asking for. I suppose we might accept a lower, but still substantial, cash fine provided that there are no player restrictions. Surely, the public as a whole should be able to watch next year's Champions League with all the teams playing with the same squad size?
Understood and agree but but by the "public" I meant those watching the games who are not fans of either team. Presumably, this is the vast majority?
LolRammy Blue said:Good morning, FFP thread. Should be fun at some point today....
cleavers said:and what about the players that want to play in it, should we f**k them off too ? Not sure we'd be doing much title winning if we did.Daz_Blue said:We should just fuck the champions league off .......