City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Re: City & FFP (continued)

GXCity said:
dctid said:
bluemoon32 said:
I'll never understand why we haven't fought this and ended up just bending over and taking it.
Gives the impression we've been naughty, were caught cooking the books and have now accepted the charges as we believe we've gotten off lightly.
There's more to this than meets the eye

City did not fight it because quite simply the legal assessment and / or business assessment (which is what the City statement implies) was such that there was no significant prospect of a positive outcome

Simply put the risks were too great so we had little option other than to take it

PSG got off far far worse with the marking down of the tourist deal and this will hit them for years to come

It was marked down to €100m. The Etihad deal is only £40m so it's hardly going to hit them too hard.

Maybe but i believe it will because thats 100M Euros going forward every year and UEFA will also have similar restirctions preventing them from simply increasing the value of other sponsorships

Our owners always wanted us to be break even and have been working towards that for a few years now - PSG dont have the advantage of EPL revenues etc so the Quatari tourism deal was a big big deal

In terms of winning the French league then FFFP wont realy hurt them but stock piling world class players is going to be difficult
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Chippy_boy said:
Can anyone explain exactly why we will be working without restriction (regards transfers) in 15/16?

No-one from the great and the good on here seem to be picking this up and answering it.

Is the answer, "we have no idea"?
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

George Hannah said:
ColinLee said:
George Hannah said:
it's not speculation it's simple arithmetic and if pointing out the elephant in the room to those who haven't noticed it is wumming then do your worst - I'm sure the Sheikh Sneerers etc will be delighted.
It's not speculation only if you blindly accept the daily fails 'fact' that "UEFA confirmed" the 8 HG rule. For now I'd rather presume that the daily fail is talking bollocks.
the trick is to see the blindingly obvious between the bollocks
And you (and a few others on here) seem determined to see "the blindingly obvious" (otherwise known as speculation) as long as it suits your very negative view. How about we wait and see what City say because the journalists will be quizzing Pellegrini the next time he does an interview.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Chippy_boy said:
Chippy_boy said:
Can anyone explain exactly why we will be working without restriction (regards transfers) in 15/16?

No-one from the great and the good on here seem to be picking this up and answering it.

Is the answer, "we have no idea"?

I believe it is because we will have met all the criteria
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Chippy_boy said:
Chippy_boy said:
Can anyone explain exactly why we will be working without restriction (regards transfers) in 15/16?

No-one from the great and the good on here seem to be picking this up and answering it.

Is the answer, "we have no idea"?

No, the answer is that people either didn't see it or were involved in other conversation.

We will be working without sanctions as the footballing ones are for one season only and the financial ones are dependent on targets that we have no chance of missing
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

@dctid, don't forget PSG have to deal with a 75% higher rate of income tax too, they have to pay a lot more gross to match english, german and spanish clubs.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

GXCity said:
dctid said:
bluemoon32 said:
I'll never understand why we haven't fought this and ended up just bending over and taking it.
Gives the impression we've been naughty, were caught cooking the books and have now accepted the charges as we believe we've gotten off lightly.
There's more to this than meets the eye

City did not fight it because quite simply the legal assessment and / or business assessment (which is what the City statement implies) was such that there was no significant prospect of a positive outcome

Simply put the risks were too great so we had little option other than to take it

PSG got off far far worse with the marking down of the tourist deal and this will hit them for years to come

It was marked down to €100m. The Etihad deal is only £40m so it's hardly going to hit them too hard.

The Etihad deal was not even mentioned as it was deemed not to be a related party
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
One big sponsorship deal negates the financial penalty does it not?
Not really, we'll still be €20 million down from what we should have regardless of any future sponsorship.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Blueband Brother said:
Matty said:
Blueband Brother said:
There is a lot of lawyer pretty talk way of disclosing information in the statement. My understading is as follows:

MCFC will lose 10m Euros of its share of income from UEFA for competing in the Champions League completion in season 2013-14. - 10 million

MCFC will lose 10m Euros of its share of income from UEFA for competing in the Champions League for season 2014-15 - 10 million

Rather than having an accumulative allowance of 30m Euros of losses over the next two reporting years(like all other clubs), MCFC will have specific stipulated allowances for 2013-14 and 2014-15 of 20m Euros and 10m Euros respectively. Significantly ,MCFC plans to be profitable in 2014-15 and in the years that follow.
- ---- 10million (for 2013-2014) and 20million (for 2014-2015)

Total Payment 2013-2015 50 million

My opinion is that this is a statement of concession under the guise of a so called compromise and mutual agreement. We are going to pay UEFA, the corrupt, disgusting, Don Fannucci esque bullies and schemers all those moneyzzzz , £50 million of them. Although the 30 million for allowances is subject to turn over in the 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 seasons. So you may say that it is only £20 million but I think it is the £50 million and we are just sugar coating it.

I always say that perception is not everything but it is something in certain situations and in this case perception is absolutely key. The media, other fans and institutions will have the indolence and disregard born out of hatred for City to actually take this as face value. They will take this as Manchester City admitting that the have broken the rules and by doing so hunted down and made to pay and unfortunately, that is the reality of this agreement.

Some people say that in years time when we are winning trophies, this day will be naught but a slap on the wrist. I've got to tell you that I think different and I see things completely different. This is what is going to happen- 7 years from now, perhaps if another club is in our current situation, how will city be referred. They will say ,, ''7 years ago City broke the rules, cheated and had to submit, and accept their wrongs and pay their fines. If we can punish City when they broke the rules, we can certainly punish you''. That is what UEFA and media will be saying in years to come. They have got what they want, they have made us their little female dogs (insert one word equivalent) and this will be etched in the history books.

Compromise is nonsense. Perception and principle is much more important than anything else, even though the consequence may seem severe, even if we have to fight this out in the courts or banned (which was going to be difficult if the former action is taken), the only avenue to attain respect, to grasp redemption is to FIGHT THIS OUT!!!!, that was the only way. .....today is not a good day for the club and I am not happy with this course of action by the club. If I am the only one that thinks this way then so be it.

This was the opportunity to fight and expose the greedy elitist cult of clubs but we seemed to have allowed UEFA to continue to reign supreme. I have said it many times in this forum that the scariest word, the word that makes me really worried and terrified is ''precedence''. I despise and dread that word as once the line is crossed there is no going back.

I will also say this again, we have done nothing wrong. You cannot penalize an institution for investment, you penalize and regulate for debt and Manchester City is a debt free instituition so FFP or other administrative code of ethics or rules does not and should not apply to the club.

Apart from when he's got his maths fundamentally wrong you mean?

Nothing is stopping you from actually reading my post and understanding it.

I've read it, and I understand it. That doesn't change the fact it's actually wrong. Quite simply there is NO £50m payment. There are 2 10m Euro payments (withholding of prize money to be more accurate), the remaining 30m you are claiming is a payment we need to make is actually no such thing. It's actually an amount of "acceptable loses" for subsequent years. The 2 year period we're being assessed on currently had a 45m euro acceptable loss figure. For the assessment period using the 2013-14 and 2014-15 accounts clubs will be able to lose 30m euros, made up by whatever combination of profits/loses they like in those 2 years. It doesn't matter if the lose 40m euros in 13/14, and then make a 10m euro profit in 14/15, as long as the total loses aren't more than 30m euros they are fine. City don't have the same freedom. We must lose no more than 20m in the 13/14 year, and no more than 10m in the 14/15 year. Still makes a 30m loss overall, but with an enforced downward trend applied. This is not, and never will be, a 30m euro payment we have to make to UEFA. So therefore we do NOT have to pay them 50m euros overall, we just have to pay them 10m for the 13/14 season and 10m for the 14/15 season, to be paid out of withheld European prize money.

You can state you're right and I'm wrong as often as you like, doesn't make it true.
 

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